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VP debate: Did Paul Ryan want $300 million embassy security cut? [The facts are more nuanced]
Christian Science Monitor | October 12, 2012 | Peter Grier

Posted on 10/13/2012 1:45:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

......did Ryan really propose slashing embassy security spending by $300 million?

This came up when the men were dealing with the issue of the tragic attack on the US consulate in Benghazi,Libya,in which USAmbassadorChrisStevens and three other men were killed.

The Romney/Ryan ticket has accused the administration of stinting on embassy security prior to these attacks. In reply, VicePresidentBiden said the charge was “malarkey.”

“This congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for, No. 1. So much for the embassy security piece,” said Biden.

The nugget of fact behind this charge is that as chairman of the HouseBudgetCommittee,Ryan has submitted a budget blueprint that proposes cutting all nondefense discretionary spending by 19 percent in fiscal 2014. This category includes everything UncleSam does that is not an entitlement program,like SocialSecurity,or run by the Pentagon,or interest on the debt.

Taking almost 1 of every 5 dollars away from programs in this area means something that many voters think is important is likely to get hit hard. But Ryan’s budget was an overall plan. It didn’t allocate that cut line item by line item. It’s possible that embassy security might have been saved at the expense of something else,like Environmental ProtectionAgency enforcement.

So Ryan didn’t propose cutting embassy security spending,literally (and we do mean literally,Mr.VicePresident) speaking. Appropriations committee staff members would have had the hard task of carving up the budget bit by bit. Or they would have if Ryan’s proposal had become law, which it didn’t.

So to sum up,this charge involves extrapolating otherwise-unprovided details from a larger number that itself doesn’t have the force of law. But its underlying truth is that it is impossible to substantially reduce the federal deficit without cutting out stuff that’s important to the functions of the US government,if entitlements and defense are left untouched.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; bidenlies; bidenryan; debates; romneyryan2012; vanity

1 posted on 10/13/2012 1:45:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Where’s the link?


2 posted on 10/13/2012 1:46:54 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

3 posted on 10/13/2012 1:57:36 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Some embassies need less funding than others.. and much less protection..
Some embassies should be closed.. just being there is an effort in FUBAR..


4 posted on 10/13/2012 2:04:10 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
( * Did Paul Ryan want $300 million embassy security cut? * )

It's a lie from the Democrats and it's a moot point if there is no, there, THERE as in Joe Biden's " we weren't told about " .....

How can the Republicans could have, might have tried to cut the budget for security at those US Embassies when there is no there, THERE if we follow the lying line of what this Administration and Democrats are saying now... as in " WE KNEW NOTHING " .
5 posted on 10/13/2012 2:06:53 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Vendome

Can’t afford a bottle of Seagrams in the Obama recession/depression, I have to settle for just a beer.


6 posted on 10/13/2012 2:08:43 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Oops!

Here is the LINK!

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1012/Vice-presidential-debate-Did-Paul-Ryan-want-300-million-embassy-security-cut


7 posted on 10/13/2012 2:12:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Actual funding %'s from NYT below. (Even though it's NYT, I believe these to be accurate - this was not part of a hit piece.)

...By my math, it's 2.5% lower than 2010, and was set to rise about 10% for 2013. I think we probably could have skipped the Chevy Volt and 100,000$ electric car charging station for Vienna, and perhaps the Marines in Barbados could have been tasked to Lybia.

There was no shortage of funds ... and anyway these cuts were part of across the board cuts, no one targeted State Dept security.

The government spent $2.43 billion on diplomatic security in the 2010 fiscal year, when Democrats last controlled both houses of Congress. The figure then fell to $2.29 billion in 2011 before rising to $2.37 billion in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30. The administration asked for $2.84 billion for 2013, but House Republicans whittled that down to $2.62 billion. A State Department official testified that the budget played no role in deciding on security in Libya.

New Front in Campaign as G.O.P. Seizes on Libya Attack

8 posted on 10/13/2012 2:16:49 AM PDT by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I listened to testimony of State Dept. Career officials - they stated that budget cuts were not responsible, they were able to cut in other areas.

Besides, how can a proposal that was never adopted be blamed? Senate did not even vote on the plan and has not passed a budget in over 3 years.


9 posted on 10/13/2012 2:20:46 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

The article dispels Biden’s spin.

The facts remain the same:

Men died and Biden lies.....


10 posted on 10/13/2012 2:25:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Simply spreading the Solyndra investment across our embassy protection needs would have solved the “problem”. Or shifting US Marines from the French or Barbados embassies to Bengazi.


11 posted on 10/13/2012 4:09:58 AM PDT by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

Bookmark


12 posted on 10/13/2012 4:15:53 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: gotribe
Simply spreading the Solyndra investment across our embassy protection needs would have solved the “problem”.....

I wonder what the $500 million a pop taxpayer funded pay-outs (-offs) to "green" start-ups would add up to.

13 posted on 10/13/2012 4:39:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: greeneyes
and has not passed a budget in over 3 years.

That was my thinking. How could the State Department have Less money? I would think, with no budget, all these Federal Agencies have a "blank check" on spending. It sure appears that way.

14 posted on 10/13/2012 5:04:14 AM PDT by radioone ( Main Stream Media. The Government built that.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I wish he’d been specific and asked to cut the hundreds of millions we’re spending on mosque construction and maintenance in the region instead.


15 posted on 10/13/2012 5:07:29 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
That was one line in the debate that I was a little disappointed with, there were many comebacks to that point by Biden that were unsaid. This article gives the obvious comeback that he simply did not specify a $300mmm cut to embassy security. And not to mention a proposed cut to an overall budget is different from an actual cut to security, in a terrorist hot bed, that directly led to the death of a U.S. Ambassador.

This issue cuts right to the heart of the Obama-Biden problem and why people are getting turned off by them, and why we are seeing them fall behind in the polls. It would have been a good opportunity to remind everyone of that...They do not know how to govern or lead; they are central command and are not willing to play ball with others. The Ryan budget wasn't perfect but it was an example of Congress doing its job-- putting numbers on the table for discussion so that the Congress and the Administration could sit down and have honest conversations about the details, and hash something out that made sense. It is how any household budgets as well.

16 posted on 10/13/2012 6:14:46 AM PDT by polstar123
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

ping


17 posted on 10/13/2012 8:46:27 AM PDT by gloryblaze (Don't forget to donate and keep FR going strong!)
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