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Presidential Contest Tight Nationally Ahead Of Second Debate [WaPo/ABC: Obama 49%; Romney 46%]
Washington Post ^ | October 14, 2012

Posted on 10/14/2012 10:00:31 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: Mike Darancette

lol I never said Steelfish conducted that poll. You may want to read my another post just above.


21 posted on 10/14/2012 10:32:58 PM PDT by entropy12 (Romney/Ryan 2012... Send Obama back to Chicago/Hawaii/Kenya/Indonesia wherever)
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To: Steelfish
I was contacted for this poll. The pollster was very professional and the questions were generally well-constructed.

So, why was Obama up by 3 pts? Obviously, because their sample was D+9.

Yet, they describe the Romney voters as vastly more enthusiastic and motivated than the Obama voters. So, how can their sample be D+9 -- when, in 2008, it was only D+8?

It's my understanding that pollsters don't weight for party ID. But, they DO weight for the standard demographic characteristics -- age, income, education, race, gender, etc. But, somehow, the demographic weighting is resulting in an over-sampling of white Democrats.

I submit this could well be an effect due to Caller ID. White Republicans may well be less likely to respond to an unknown number or a pollster ID than white Democrats. As a consequence, the demographic cohort we happen to inhabit ends up with an over-representation of white Democrats.

Highly possible, since we now know that only 9% of calls result in a complete interview.

Accordingly, in my opinion, it is probably safe to mentally adjust the results to a lower Dem turnout than +9 and conclude that the race is either tied or Romney has a slight lead.

Moreover, I note that, on many specific questions -- such as right track/wrong track, Obama is under-performing his supposed 49-46 advantage.

In my view, this suggests that there are many respondents who are a.) giving an honest answer to the specific questions but b.) hedging with their presidential preference vote -- not wanting to be perceived as a "racist".

Once in the privacy of the voting booth many of those will cast their vote for Romney. So, add another 2-3 pts to the Romney column.

Finally, history tells us that the "undecideds" will break for the challenger. So, add yet another 2-3 pts to the Romney total.

In the end, I remain confident that this will be a landslide (55-45 or better). But it won't look like it until they actually count the votes...

22 posted on 10/14/2012 10:42:00 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Steelfish

The bamster bombs at the debate and still hasa 3 point lead?Just aint the truth,not one bit of it.


23 posted on 10/14/2012 10:48:29 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Steelfish
We cannot believe in polls when they're 'pro' us, and hate them when they're 'against' us. However, we can use our brain in looking at every poll and evaluate them ourselves: are they using additional weights? Are the weights appropriate, by taking into account factors that are important to voting? Etc...

We know that the environment in 2008 was toxic to any Republican in general, and 0bama was considered novel. Hence, any poll with weight the same, or even worse, give more weight to the Democrats, would be considered suspicious since it maybe overestimate the Dhims. Similarly, while 2010 did happen, it was not a presidential year. So, we might not see the same Republican turnout this year, and any poll using the same weight as 2010 maybe overestimate the Republicans.

So, use your brain too. Consistent knee-jerk reaction against anything positive for Romney or spreading anything negative for him without careful evaluation of the news is also suspicious.

24 posted on 10/14/2012 10:51:05 PM PDT by paudio (Post-racial society: When we can legitimately hire and fire a Black man without feeling guilty.)
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To: Steelfish

Considering this is a RAT +9 sample, I am more encouraged by these numbers than the Rasmussen and Gallup numbers that show Romney ahead.

Of course, ABC has an agenda behind releasing them this way. They need to try to show that the Kenyan has turned the tide and is still in command even though that is far from the reality of the situation.


25 posted on 10/14/2012 11:11:01 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: paudio

True. An honestly weighted sample of D+3 or so would show Romney up by a couple of points.

I am certain that is why the Post refused to use such a sample. Those of us with brains will interpret it correctly, the typical moron that simply hears the story on TV and on the radio will assume Obummer has solidified a lead.


26 posted on 10/14/2012 11:15:30 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: Steelfish

Gallop had Reagan losing to Jimmuh by 6% with 7 days to go until the 1980 election.

We all know how wrong Gallup was - Reagan wins by 10%.


27 posted on 10/14/2012 11:15:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Steelfish

The OBama press cranking out those D+ 9% and more over Rs to fit their delusions.


28 posted on 10/14/2012 11:20:03 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: comebacknewt

New Politico poll out. No story posted yet, just raw numbers for now. Looks like a 49-49 tie.

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/10/politico_gwbgp_oct15_pollresults.html


29 posted on 10/14/2012 11:20:17 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Mike Darancette

Thanks- we have some folks here who continually behave like the proverbial three blind monkeys when it comes to the Romney-Ryan ticket.


30 posted on 10/14/2012 11:23:23 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Arthurio

The Battleground / Politico poll is the one I trust the most.

While I would love to see Romney ahead and breaking 50%, if they are seeing a 49/49 tie, I am inclined to believe it.

Not a bad spot for the challenger to be in with less than a month to go, and the momentum moving in his direction.


31 posted on 10/14/2012 11:25:54 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: entropy12

No, you didn’t say it but you act like one of the proverbial three monkeys who speak no evil, see no evil or hear no evil. In this case the “evil” of course is negative views. Those with intelligence examine the forensics of the poll and come to their own conclusion. Remember that aside from the numbers it also cites a stronger measure of enthusiasm for Romney and refers to a sharply divided electorate which is confirmed in every single poll.


32 posted on 10/14/2012 11:27:06 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Red Steel

If so nothing could be better for our side if they get the surprise of their life and this trash is taken out of the WH!


33 posted on 10/14/2012 11:30:02 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Salamander; chopperjc; Steelfish

I’m compiling a list of concern trolls. Steelfish and chopperjc are the inner-circle Hall of Fame members.

FReepers. Just look at their post histories. They are leftists who have a simple mission: nurture discouragement.

I’ll update my list as time goes on. You’ll notice chopperjc has been pretty quiet since Mitt’s taken the lead in most national polls.

Hank


34 posted on 10/14/2012 11:33:47 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Myth Romney is a vile Fabian Socialist - his opponent is infinitely worse. How did it come to this?)
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To: Steelfish

No, but show the breakdown of who is being polled, that is the necessary context.


35 posted on 10/14/2012 11:40:41 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Steelfish
Well I guess you can throw this poll out as well.

So when we are suspious of a poll showing Obama ahead it is with good reason, they are cooking the books.

Don't act like our skepticism is unreasonable.

36 posted on 10/14/2012 11:42:56 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Steelfish

You’re a troll. period.

You scour around to find any and all bad polls or news articles on Romney then run out of here.


37 posted on 10/14/2012 11:51:03 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

Thanks, Hank...:)

[watching “2016” on DirecTV right now...we’ll be distracted for a bit]


38 posted on 10/15/2012 12:59:41 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Steelfish

Actual question in the poll.

“Q: Who do you think is more likely to go bungee-jumping [BUN-jee], (Obama) or (Romney)?”

Are these f’in people serious?!


39 posted on 10/15/2012 1:25:07 AM PDT by princeofdarkness ( Nobama. No more. No way. November 2012.)
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To: Arthurio

I wondered when the “media” were going to start engineering polls back to laughably high D+? sampling.

Anyone who can`t see this crap for what it is is a blind fool.

Watch for NBC/Marist to announce one showing obama ahead by 7, with a D+15 sample.


40 posted on 10/15/2012 2:39:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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