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Post-Debate CNN Poll: Romney Buries Obama On Economy
www.breitbart.com ^ | 16 Oct 2012 | John Nolte

Posted on 10/16/2012 10:31:37 PM PDT by forbushalltheway

Like the CBS poll, Obama won the overall debate, 46-39%, but Romney beat him senseless on all the important individual issues like the economy, health care, deficit, and taxes.

Unlike the CBS poll, CNN polled registered voters, not just undecideds.

Economy: Romney wins 58-40%

Health care: Romney wins 49-46%.

Taxes: Romney wins 51-44%.

Deficit: Romney wins 49-36%.

Strong leader: Romney wins 49-46%.

The worst news is that 25% of voters switched their vote to Romney and 25% wen to Obama.

In other words, Obama didn't move the ball, which is what he needed to do.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; 2012polls; cnn; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 10/16/2012 10:31:47 PM PDT by forbushalltheway
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To: forbushalltheway
Still, HOW IN THE HELL 40% of polled people could view President Great Depression as somehow "good" on the "economy" means I am on a different planet...or they are interviewing Saturnians high on the bong. Incredible. In f-ing credible. That large of a sampling has their brains fried to that extent.

2 posted on 10/16/2012 10:33:53 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Donate, & walk precincts, not for "Parties", but for individual, principled "Candidates" (& for FR)
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To: forbushalltheway

So Romney wins in every major category, but supposedly loses the debate? WTF CNN?


3 posted on 10/16/2012 10:34:59 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Cue in the WTF cat.


4 posted on 10/16/2012 10:38:26 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: MacMattico
It was just an "Everybody gets a trophy." win.

Everyone felt bad that Barry got is *** handed to him last time.

5 posted on 10/16/2012 10:39:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (This is America! Being dead is no excuse not to vote!!!)
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To: forbushalltheway
As an aside, FreeRepublic is utterly useless for live debate threads. This is now the third debate where this site has gone down, or crept along at a snails pace. Maybe some new equipment could be purchased after this FReepathon??
6 posted on 10/16/2012 10:40:16 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: MacMattico
So Romney wins in every major category, but supposedly loses the debate?

i don't get it... it makes no sense... does CNN share the overall percentages?

7 posted on 10/16/2012 10:41:05 PM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: MacMattico

never mind... i see the overall percentages...


8 posted on 10/16/2012 10:42:05 PM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: latina4dubya

John King on CNN blurted out that if these poll results are accurate, Romney will be elected.

What have people here said about the Luntz focus group? He got as big a swing as the first debate!


9 posted on 10/16/2012 10:44:32 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: forbushalltheway
So both sides (us and the Kos/Occupy side) can take heart.

KosKidz will be glad their man showed some feistiness, while our side cheers Romney won the issues more Americans are concerned about.

Win-win?

10 posted on 10/16/2012 10:45:47 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Artcore

I just waited outside, patiently. I knew I couldnt get into FR with a crowbar tonight so I sat back waiting to post.


11 posted on 10/16/2012 10:51:28 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: latina4dubya

Were all the question categories listed? At another site there were different results. Didn’t take note unfortunately.


12 posted on 10/16/2012 10:58:37 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: rdl6989
“I just waited outside, patiently. I knew I couldnt get into FR with a crowbar tonight so I sat back waiting to post.”
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Yeah, this crap is just getting really old. We have these FReepathons, yet the site still runs like sh*t. This is the third debate thread that was absolutely useless.

To make matters worse, Other FReepers are actually defending this substandard site performance. WTF? If they're going to ask for money, you'd think they could at least have the site running decently. These are legitimate complaints.

13 posted on 10/16/2012 10:58:37 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Artcore

I have been coming here a long time, including the last three Presidential elections, and I don’t remember this ever happening. I’m wondering if the site is even going to be working on election day. It doesn’t seem to be able to handle high traffic loads anymore.


14 posted on 10/16/2012 10:59:50 PM PDT by Tom_Busch
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To: Tom_Busch

I remember this happening before and telling myself then I’d just have to come back later.


15 posted on 10/16/2012 11:03:03 PM PDT by Frapster (There you go again....)
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To: Tom_Busch

Either two or four years ago that is.


16 posted on 10/16/2012 11:03:54 PM PDT by Frapster (There you go again....)
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To: Tom_Busch
“I have been coming here a long time, including the last three Presidential elections, and I don’t remember this ever happening. I’m wondering if the site is even going to be working on election day. It doesn’t seem to be able to handle high traffic loads anymore.”
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Exactly.

I'm just wondering if any of the donations go to upgrading the equipment? The fact that this site has gone down (or close to it) the past three debates tells me there's a problem. Almost comical that we're having to discuss the debate after the fact.

17 posted on 10/16/2012 11:05:36 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Frapster

Admittedly, my memory is not exactly stellar, haha. I remember an occasional hiccup, but nothing chronic, like during every debate of the season.


18 posted on 10/16/2012 11:10:40 PM PDT by Tom_Busch
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To: rdl6989

My liberal brother is visiting, you can bet that politics did NOT come up, I had the TV on DIY and hid the remote so I didn’t even have a chance to look until he went to bed.

He was visiting in March and started on his political crap and I let him have it with both barrels. I called him a blood-sucking parasite who had a cushy government job. I told him NEVER to come into my house spouting his crap again. It shut him up. If he had talked to me like that in his house I would have been out of there but he’s a wuss.


19 posted on 10/16/2012 11:12:53 PM PDT by tiki
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To: forbushalltheway
this is a win - win for R/R.
R/R won on issues.
...US$4.09/gal gas
..."it's the economy, stupid!"

pResident O'Bozo had nothing of real substance /
accomplishments...only "hopey/changey fweelings"

20 posted on 10/16/2012 11:14:13 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: Artcore

Good question. I hardly post at all anymore, because I rarely have anything useful to add, haha. But I still come here multiple times a day and browse. I feel lost without FR during debates, elections, crises, etc. I use to feel that way when I couldn’t access a computer, during an event, but now I can get it on my phone anywhere. I really hope we are up and running for the next debate or at least the election.


21 posted on 10/16/2012 11:17:27 PM PDT by Tom_Busch
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To: AmericanInTokyo
The worst news is that 25% of voters switched their vote to Romney and 25% wen to Obama.

I'm not buying this either. They are basically saying 50% of the people they polled switched their vote. Didn't happen.

22 posted on 10/16/2012 11:24:04 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Tom_Busch

Maybe the feds are shutting it down thinking we’re sending messages to Romney. They really are that paranoid.

Chrissy Tingles said the women voters aren’t going to like Romney interupting obama. No, that’s not a typo. I’m not sure we watched the same debate. Well, I KNOW Chrissy didn’t see the same debate.


23 posted on 10/16/2012 11:51:35 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: tiki

Never let a liberal run you out of your own home.


24 posted on 10/16/2012 11:53:02 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: AmericanInTokyo

...”That large of a sampling has their brains fried to that extent”...

You may be onto something here.


25 posted on 10/17/2012 1:23:02 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Artcore; Jim Robinson

This is the third (or perhaps fourth, and last) Freepathon that is budgeted to collect extra money over & above quarterly expenses, for the purchase of new equipment...mainly servers.

IIRC, targeted donations are also accepted for the purpose.

Jim has done a/some thread(s) about it several months ago.


26 posted on 10/17/2012 2:05:53 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Artcore

I didn’t even bother trying to get on the live debate thread tonight or even FR in general until 2 hours post-debate. It’s just what it is, there is less traffic here than in the past due to purges but the site still runs slow, especially when interest is high and this place is most looked to.

But it’s a great big wide internet so when this place is predictably crawling there are other places to go. No use complaining


27 posted on 10/17/2012 2:54:09 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: AmericanInTokyo

They are part of the 47% getting larger and more frequent handouts they think the Obama economy is good


28 posted on 10/17/2012 4:06:31 AM PDT by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

People on food stamps want free cars, TVs, and apartments on Central Park. They think they have a better chance with Obama.


29 posted on 10/17/2012 4:11:06 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: over3Owithabrain

I’ve been reading all the issues with the site ... and seems like it once worked, now doesn’t, either because more users than in older days, or new system with DB configuration problems.

I’m going to hazard a swag, based on behavior, that the issue is a ‘round trips to the database’ issue, not a hardware-based server / web-server performance issue ... especially if the servers aren’t that old.

And that either
1. The database itself is either not powerful enough, or not configured properly, so hits a critical mass of connections, hanging requests long enough for them to time out (or just a long time in queue.)
2. or no DB connection pooling? (or connection pooling not configured for the profile of traffic) - so 1 new connection per request.
3. The strategy for caching pages, if there is one, is not being used or is insufficient.
4. DB located on different physical server, with a thin pipe between the weber server and DB Server.

Main guess, not knowing any tech specs for the site, is that the issue is database related, specifically connection related, and fixable via configuration, assuming the database is powerful enough in the first place. Too many round trips, too much construction and deconstruction of db connections - which is usually the bottleneck.

Or, could just be that the tables aren’t well indexed, and/or the SQL queries aren’t well optimized.

I could be full of stuff or malarky, not knowing the architecture of the site or the traffic stats. Just seems to me that other than db connection issues, there is no reason for it to be hanging - especially if it’s true that the hardware is relatively new.

Conceivable too that it’s table locking issues / pessimistic/optimistic issues.

... for what it’s worth ...


30 posted on 10/17/2012 4:46:03 AM PDT by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

For what it is worth, Hot Air had no problems. Maybe FR needs a live debate option which does not go to the main database. Just tracking a current comment feed is trivial.


31 posted on 10/17/2012 5:01:35 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: BillM

Agreed - although one would think that during the debate, 95% of the traffic is on the debate thread anyway.

Somewhere between Mr. Browser and Mr. Server, more specifically between Mr. Internets and Mr. server (s) someone is doing more work than is necessary. Could not-db-related web server code, more likely DB connections and/or long running queries.

No images are actually being served from FR, so it’s just text. Other ideas are that perhaps tables need to be archived, could be trying to insert/update into large indexed tables ... but that starts getting into needing to know what DB is in use.

I’d be looking at my database and database interactions rather than hardware. SWAG.


32 posted on 10/17/2012 5:17:50 AM PDT by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: edzo4

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/18/welfare-spending-jumps-32-percent-four-years/

Welfare spending has grown substantially over the past four years, reaching $746 billion in 2011 — or more than Social Security, basic defense spending or any other single chunk of the federal government — according to a new memo by the Congressional Research Service.

The steady rise in welfare spending, which covers more than 80 programs primarily designed to help low-income Americans, got a big boost from the 2009 stimulus and has grown, albeit somewhat more slowly, in 2010 and 2011. One reason is that more people are qualifying in the weak economy, but the federal government also has broadened eligibility so that more people qualify for programs.

See for the typical Obama voter the economy has improved,


33 posted on 10/18/2012 11:33:55 AM PDT by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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