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Obama: I am coming after the guns and I will screen gun owners
Human Events ^ | 10/17/2012 | Neil W. McCabe

Posted on 10/17/2012 7:22:52 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

In the Oct. 16 presidential debate between President Barack Obama and GOP challenger W. Mitt Romney, when the president dropped the pretense of being neutral on restricting gun rights with a key assist from moderator Candy Crowley, hostess of the CNN program “State of the Nation.”

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guns; obama; powergrab
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Brazen anti 2nd Amendment statements?

Audacity? Yep.

I can see November from Here. And Obozo Must GO!

1 posted on 10/17/2012 7:23:01 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Yeah. Too bad Romney already banished assault weapons in Massachusetts when governor.


2 posted on 10/17/2012 7:26:47 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Texas Fossil
The president used one of his lifelines: “Candy?”

Love that line!

3 posted on 10/17/2012 7:27:31 PM PDT by Kenny (<p)
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To: SatinDoll

Make no mistake, no difference in obama and Romney on gun control. Both are in the Brady Bunch camp.


4 posted on 10/17/2012 7:29:41 PM PDT by wrench
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To: SatinDoll

Link? Cuz I don’t think he did....


5 posted on 10/17/2012 7:30:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Texas Fossil

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


6 posted on 10/17/2012 7:31:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: wrench

That’s nutty talk.

Romney is not our friend but he isn’t our enemy. OBAMA is our enemy and a second term will allow him to accomplish with impunity what he would have liked to do in his first.


7 posted on 10/17/2012 7:33:51 PM PDT by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: SatinDoll
Yeah. Too bad Romney already banished assault weapons in Massachusetts when governor.

Thanks for the reminder. While you're at it, why not give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it?


8 posted on 10/17/2012 7:34:21 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: wrench
Make no mistake, no difference in obama and Romney on gun control. Both are in the Brady Bunch camp.

You are absolutely right, but only one of them called for AWB reinstitution.

On a sidenote, O reffered to civilian rifles as "automatics." Then R said automatics were already illegal. Neither, apparently are well schooled on anything besides hype.

9 posted on 10/17/2012 7:34:50 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Texas Fossil

And gun stores and manufacturers just gave Obama the award again for “Gun Salesman of the Year”. . .


10 posted on 10/17/2012 7:37:06 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Texas Fossil

Molon Labe.


11 posted on 10/17/2012 7:38:52 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Yes....yes molon labe indeed....

MOLON LABE you Marxist MOFO!!!


12 posted on 10/17/2012 7:42:27 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: SatinDoll

“Yeah. Too bad Romney already banished assault weapons in Massachusetts when governor.”

No he didn’t. He banned semi-automatic guns based on certain characteristics. Still stupid but not an assault gun ban. By definition, assault weapons are selective fire. Those are illegal under NFA and FOPA.


13 posted on 10/17/2012 7:43:07 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.")
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To: SatinDoll
Have you looked at gun laws in Chicago?

That is what Obama wants.

Romney is better than Obama on this issue.

14 posted on 10/17/2012 7:43:47 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: wrench
That is not true.
Gun rights organizations all prefer Romney over Obama.
15 posted on 10/17/2012 7:45:09 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: SatinDoll; 2ndDivisionVet; Bloody Sam Roberts; wrench

From this article: “For his part, Romney got caught up in the law he signed in Massachusetts that banned so-called “assault weapons.” It is a position that Romney took with the cooperation of the National Rifle Association because it loosened other gun restrictions.”

I’d like to know more about those other gun restrictions, but this does say the ban was coordinated with NRA with purpose.


16 posted on 10/17/2012 7:47:20 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Texas Fossil
An already unpopular and increasingly oppressive government attempting to grab the guns of Americans (colonists) in order to limit their ability to resist... where have we heard that before?

Lexington & Concord!

And what did that result in?

A revolution!

17 posted on 10/17/2012 7:51:15 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve been telling FR for months about Gov.Romney’s record in Massachusetts. He is a national socialist in his political beliefs, having in the past described himself as the “anti-Reagan”.

http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=212785

http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=212783

The problem with having to choose between the lesser of two evils is determining which is lesser. We already know BHO2 is corrupt and incompetent; what do we expect from a lesser evil who is competent and honest?


18 posted on 10/17/2012 7:51:58 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Kenny

Yes. Miss Piggie in action.


19 posted on 10/17/2012 7:52:27 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: SatinDoll

It is a position that Romney took with the cooperation of the National Rifle Association because it loosened other gun restrictions.Quote from the article.


20 posted on 10/17/2012 7:55:52 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: wrench

It is a position that Romney took with the cooperation of the National Rifle Association because it loosened other gun restrictions. Quote from the article.


21 posted on 10/17/2012 7:56:56 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: DTogo

Yes, unfortunately correct.

I can see November from Here. And Obozo MUST GO!

After that, we can begin to deal with a lot of Traitors.


22 posted on 10/17/2012 8:00:09 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Kansas58

To date only one of the candidates signed a permanent ban on semi-automatic magazine fed rifles, and that is Mittens.

IIRC the press he was releasing at the time said all a hunter needs is an over and under. The man is as clueless on the 2nd as the current Pres. The 2nd has NOTHING to do with hunting!~


23 posted on 10/17/2012 8:08:49 PM PDT by wrench
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To: SatinDoll

You do realize that David Stockman is the “John Dean” or “Scott Ritter” of the Reagan administration, right?


24 posted on 10/17/2012 8:12:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Texas Fossil

See, now all the pieces are just clicking and coming together.

He can give all the AK-47’s he seizes from Americans to the Mexican drug lords!

You know, efficiency... kill two birds with one stone... that kinda stuff!


25 posted on 10/17/2012 8:13:21 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Bump


26 posted on 10/17/2012 8:13:55 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 elections.)
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To: wrench
"Make no mistake, no difference in obama and Romney on gun control. Both are in the Brady Bunch camp."

That's odd. The November issue of American Rifleman from the NRA seems certain there's a difference.

27 posted on 10/17/2012 8:19:31 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: Azeem; SatinDoll
SatinDoll had written:
Yeah. Too bad Romney already banished assault weapons in Massachusetts when governor.

Yes.

Azeem replied:
"No he didn’t. He banned semi-automatic guns based on certain characteristics."

Yes, he did. The AWB defines "assault weapons" in politics and law. I was issued M-16s (and M-203s, M-60s, anti-tank weapons, etc.) and never called them "assault weapons." The phrase, "assault weapons" is a civilian phrase.

"Still stupid but not an assault gun ban. By definition, assault weapons are selective fire. Those are illegal under NFA and FOPA."

By definition, automatic rifles are select fire including the choice of automatic fire. "Assault weapons" is a phrase used by civilians in politics, and it does apply to the semi-automatic rifles banned by Romney and his political friends running both political parties.

Is the phrase, assault weapon, retarded? Yes, it is--like contemporary political speech in general. A rock can be an assault weapon. So can anything else.


28 posted on 10/17/2012 8:19:42 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a thunderous avalanche of rottenness smelled around the earth.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I think the illegal drug industry is the main culprit across America. How many gangs are centered around the sale of illegal drugs around this nation? How many of them use the tactics of terrorist assaults with weapons to intimidate their competition? How many times are weapons employed in criminal activities centered around the drug enterprise? We have youths engaged in all nature of illegal activities centered around organized criminal activities that support their drug enterprise. It is the activities of the drug enterprise that are the problem—not guns! These criminals rarely engage in legitimate activities to make their money. Their enterprise escapes the scrutiny of the IRS. These activities are such things as pimping, bank robberies, fencing operations, home invasion robberies, car theft, metal theft, money laundering, marijuana grow operations, meth production labs—the list is endless. All these activities are efforts to raise the capitol necessary to purchase large quantities of drugs (inventory) for street sale operations. It is big business folks. The impact of this illegal activity on our society you could compare to a factory spilling out poison into the community. It is a disaster.

Gun violence? It’s the tip of the ice burg. It’s the drug industry that is doing much more harm to this nation than guns.

It is time for technology to do what our nation’s cultural norms no longer will do. We have entire sectors of our society that have become so compromised in their moral culture, they have become a cancerous growth across this nation. The only way to a cure for any cancerous growth is through technology.

This is why I say, it is time to eradicate the drugs that come from plants by doing some DNA tricks to the fields that grow them. Create genetically engineered species that sends out pollen that renders any plant that is fertilized by that pollen only able to produce sterile seeds.

IMHO.


29 posted on 10/17/2012 8:25:04 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: umgud

“only one of them called for AWB reinstitution.”

And only one of them actually did it. (hint: Romney)


30 posted on 10/17/2012 8:27:13 PM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: muir_redwoods

NRA is a political organization, they have no interest in defending the Constitution.

They are afraid of what BO MIGHT do, how about what rummy has already done.

You can not pick up a turd by the clean end, this is what Mittens would have us believe he did in Mass.


31 posted on 10/17/2012 8:28:20 PM PDT by wrench
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To: jonrick46

“sterile seeds”

Very, Very, bad idea. It is rumored that Monsanto already has the gene to render a species or plant to not reproduce.

Do you want the world to starve to death? If the rumor is true, it is possible for that to happen if the gene gets in the wild.


32 posted on 10/17/2012 8:30:57 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Well, you can come after them, but let’s ee if you get them :D


33 posted on 10/17/2012 8:35:18 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: SatinDoll; All

It’s amazing how much this keeps making the rounds when it’s flat out untrue. Granted Romney himself made it look bad because he said some really dumb things (he was briefed by a moron who didn’t understand the bill).

However it didn’t actually ban guns. The MA gun ban was passed in 1998. The 2004 law was a reform of that law which took out a number of the worst parts of it.

Don’t take my word for it, listen to the MA gun rights group:

http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

From that page this is what the law did:

1. Established the Firearm License Review Board (FLRB). The 1998 law created new criteria for disqualifying citizens for firearms licenses that included any misdemeanor punishable by more than two years even if no jail time was ever served.

For instance, a first conviction of operating a motor vehicle under the influence would result in the loss of your ability to own a handgun for life and long guns for a minimum of five years. This Board is now able to review cases under limited circumstances to restore licenses to individuals who meet certain criteria.

2. Mandated that a minimum of $50,000 of the licensing fees be used for the operation of the FLRB so that the Board would not cease operating under budget cuts.

3. Extended the term of the state’s firearm licenses from 4 years to 6 years.

4. Permanently attached the federal language concerning assault weapon exemptions in 18 USC 922 Appendix A to the Massachusetts assault weapons laws. This is the part that the media misrepresented.

In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them.

5. Re-instated a 90 day grace period for citizens who were trying to renew their firearm license. Over the past years, the government agencies in charge had fallen months behind in renewing licenses. At one point it was taking upwards of a year to renew a license. Under Massachusetts law, a citizen cannot have a firearm or ammunition in their home with an expired license.

6. Mandated that law enforcement must issue a receipt for firearms that are confiscated due to an expired license. Prior to this law, no receipts were given for property confiscated which led to accusations of stolen or lost firearms after they were confiscated by police.

7. Gave free license renewal for law enforcement officers who applied through their employing agency.

8. Changed the size and style of a firearm license to that of a driver’s license so that it would fit in a normal wallet. The original license was 3” x 4”.

9. Created stiffer penalties for armed home invaders.

My take on Romney vis a vis guns is pretty simple- he simply doesn’t much care about the topic, and as such is tone deaf on such matters. He does, however, support his side on the issues as he is expected to.


34 posted on 10/17/2012 8:37:12 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So what. You're worried about Stockman when you should be worried about Romney. He's a Globalist who will keep much of the failed foreign policies of the present White House.

There has been a huge effort on the part of powerful people who do not want to change political cronyism as it operates in Washington, D.C., in order to get Romney elected rather than allowing Sarah Palin a run at the candidacy.

I realize how bad Obama is and warned FR back in 2008 that he wasn't eligible and worse, he's a communist. No one listened.

I've been warning FR about Romney since March. As usual, I did the same due diligence in researching Gov.Romney's background and made some startling discoveries.

No matter, the die has been cast and Romney is our candidate, however dangerous I may believe him to be.

So, 2ndDiv, I feel compelled to inform people about Romney, not to change the election's outcome but to encourage everyone to vote for supra-conservative Republicans down ballot. It will be the only way we American patriots have to control a President who is pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-homosexualist, and who has no inclination to obliterate the evils inherent in Obamacare.

35 posted on 10/17/2012 8:38:03 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: wrench

My choice is to take your unsupported analysis of gun control threats ior the NRA’s

Thanks but I think I’ve got my decision


36 posted on 10/17/2012 8:40:34 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: SatinDoll

I’ve never had any love for Governor Romney, but when the choice comes down to either him or Barack Hussein Obama, a man dead-set on destroying my country, there is no contest. And that is the choice. No third party or write-in candidate is going to be sworn in next January.


37 posted on 10/17/2012 8:42:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: umgud

Yup. And the press still can’t figure out clips and magazines.


38 posted on 10/17/2012 8:48:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Texas Fossil
From the article:

“But there have been too many instances during the course of my presidency, where I’ve had to comfort families who have lost somebody,” he said.

By signing condolence letters with an auto pen?

For troops KIA because of insane Rules of Engagement?

39 posted on 10/17/2012 8:55:15 PM PDT by Jumpmaster (Defund the Left!)
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To: muir_redwoods

Unsupported? Hardly.

Quote from the bill R signed, his signature is on this:

under banned
and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR and FNC; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9 and M-12; (vi) Steyr AUG; (vii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (viii) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as, or similar to, the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; provided, however, that the term assault weapon shall not include: (i) any of the weapons, or replicas or duplicates of such weapons, specified in appendix A to 18 U.S.C. section 922,

“Large capacity feeding device”, (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31).

“Large capacity weapon”, any firearm, rifle or shotgun: (i) that is semiautomatic with a fixed large capacity feeding device; (ii) that is semiautomatic and capable of accepting, or readily modifiable to accept, any detachable large capacity feeding device; (iii) that employs a rotating cylinder capable of accepting more than ten rounds of ammunition in a rifle or firearm and more than five shotgun shells in the case of a shotgun or firearm; or (iv) that is an assault weapon.

And it just gets better.

This is what this RINO wants nationwide.

Is mittens better for the US in the big picture? Sure. But his bragging on being a friend to the 2nd is nothing but hot air.

Once a Constitutional right is taken from us, it is never coming back.


40 posted on 10/17/2012 9:00:14 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Texas Fossil

The idea of creating sterile opium plants etc came from reading about the Monsanto’s genetics with corn. If it were possible to do DNA engineering that targeted only the species you wanted to eradicate, we would have weed control mastered.


41 posted on 10/17/2012 9:04:31 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Texas Fossil

As a NRA member and firearms enthusiast/sportsman, the Second Amendment is important to me. It was evident Obama was anti-gun when he ran in 2008. He downplayed this then and has not passed additional restrictions as the Democrat Party’s polls showed this is an issue that would arose opposition from a significant number of voters.

If, God forbid, he has another term he will push restrictions as reelection won’t be an issue. Fast & Furious shows his sneaky nature on the gun issue. Romney has come to Jesus on the Second Amendment and is no threat. There will be enough pro gun Republicans in the House & Senate to keep Romney straight.


42 posted on 10/17/2012 9:04:37 PM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: muir_redwoods
Yeah, because we should trust the NRA.

Half the time they wait for some other organization to do all the leg work and the NRA has to be dragged kicking and screaming to the fight unless it suddenly looks like a certain win.......like DC v. Heller.

Let us not forget the NRA was also the cause of a lot of other gun laws and nearly destroyed the efforts to get pro-gun legislation passed and anti-gun legislation repealed and/or squashed.

That they are currently trying to rewrite history for Willard is no surprise. But, don't worry, there is some EMERGENCY ACTION happening RIGHT NOW and if you'll just make this extra donation we'll send you this GENUINE [made in china] NRA HAT and STICKERS!!! Don't confuse this with the EMERGENCY ACTION that happened last week, or yesterday, or the gun restrictions we supported, just send us your money sheep. Support real pro-gun, pro-2A lobbyists; support the GOA. (Of course given some of the logic I've seen lately by saying I support the GOA and not the NRA, I suppose I am somehow pro-0 and an anti-gun communist and giving $0 to the NRA is like giving $2 to the brady campaign)

Lobbyists and consultants - If you can't fix the problem, there is money to be had in prolonging it.

We as conservatives claim to be educated people with the ability to apply reason and logic and to seek out the truth. I still cannot believe how many people think Willard is the next coming of Reagan (not saying you do, but it has been posted as such verbatim on here) and are willing to believe anything and everything because it is an (R).

I do not understand how people can be so willing to bend over backward and give him a pass and excuse his previous actions, or outright blatantly lie about them. And then, those same people have the nerve and audacity to claim they have the moral high ground and claim only dumbacrats do as such. This is why I consider myself first and foremost a Conservative and certainly NOT a (R).

Even more troublesome is the math failures that think 0+1=2 and that by not voting for Romney is somehow a vote for 0. What if I think both of them are evil bastards? What if BOTH of their records indicate that they are BOTH baby murdering, socialized medicine supporting, gun grabbing socialists?

Hell, one follows some baby raping pedophile fake prophet, and moon god, and the other follows some magic rock following fake prophet and thinks he will one day become a god.

But, shhhhhhhhhh it's some big secret and heaven forbid anyone point out facts and truth........let's play "make believe" and "let's pretend" and oh not to worry a (R) Congress will hold Myth's feet to the fire.....hahahhahahahahahaha [breathe] hahahahahahahahah.

Boy are we in trouble.

Flame away.

Oh, and for those wondering, no I am not voting for Virgil notGoodEnough either.

/rant

43 posted on 10/17/2012 9:04:42 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: wrench
You hate Romney.
Get over yourself.
Romney will listen to conservatives.
Romney will try not to upset conservatives on the issues.
Give the guy a break, he comes from Massachusetts for Heaven's sake.
Do you think it would be easier to sway Obama or Romney?
44 posted on 10/17/2012 9:11:17 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Texas Fossil

Obama doesn’t need to pass a bunch of laws. Just appoint a Supreme Court justice or two and make the Second Amendment magically disappear.


45 posted on 10/17/2012 9:11:27 PM PDT by CtBigPat (Free Republic - The grown-ups table of the internet.)
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To: Repeat Offender
Myth In His Own Words/Record on Guns we got us a real pro-2A guy here.
46 posted on 10/17/2012 9:13:26 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: Kansas58

You love Romney, get over yourself.

He was crammed down our throat by the GOP. He will pay lip service to conservatives, not advance any conservative cause.

So far, Obama has not done the damage Romney did on this issue.

Perhaps we need someone NOT from Mass.


47 posted on 10/17/2012 9:22:04 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Texas Fossil

He better hurry up — he only has 10 weeks left.


48 posted on 10/17/2012 9:25:47 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Texas Fossil

Gun rights have expanded over the past ten years. People are more aware than ever the importance of the 2d Amendment. The Democrats themselves have pretty much shied away from attacking gun rights on the national level.

It would be ludicrous to believe that Romney would attempt to do so especially with a Republican House.


49 posted on 10/17/2012 9:31:07 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Dumb or Dumber? Biden or Obama?)
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To: Kansas58
Have you looked at gun laws in Chicago?

That is what Obama wants.

A riposte that Romney missed. He could have referred to Chicago as "gun-control Chicago" after Obama complained about the violence in that city.

And: lest that anyone think I'm Monday-morning quarterbacking, that thought occurred to me at the moment when I was watching the debate at that point.

50 posted on 10/17/2012 9:37:37 PM PDT by danielmryan
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