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Obama: I am coming after the guns and I will screen gun owners
Human Events ^ | 10/17/2012 | Neil W. McCabe

Posted on 10/17/2012 7:22:52 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

In the Oct. 16 presidential debate between President Barack Obama and GOP challenger W. Mitt Romney, when the president dropped the pretense of being neutral on restricting gun rights with a key assist from moderator Candy Crowley, hostess of the CNN program “State of the Nation.”

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guns; obama; powergrab
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To: wrench

It is a position that Romney took with the cooperation of the National Rifle Association because it loosened other gun restrictions. Quote from the article.


21 posted on 10/17/2012 7:56:56 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: DTogo

Yes, unfortunately correct.

I can see November from Here. And Obozo MUST GO!

After that, we can begin to deal with a lot of Traitors.


22 posted on 10/17/2012 8:00:09 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Kansas58

To date only one of the candidates signed a permanent ban on semi-automatic magazine fed rifles, and that is Mittens.

IIRC the press he was releasing at the time said all a hunter needs is an over and under. The man is as clueless on the 2nd as the current Pres. The 2nd has NOTHING to do with hunting!~


23 posted on 10/17/2012 8:08:49 PM PDT by wrench
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To: SatinDoll

You do realize that David Stockman is the “John Dean” or “Scott Ritter” of the Reagan administration, right?


24 posted on 10/17/2012 8:12:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Texas Fossil

See, now all the pieces are just clicking and coming together.

He can give all the AK-47’s he seizes from Americans to the Mexican drug lords!

You know, efficiency... kill two birds with one stone... that kinda stuff!


25 posted on 10/17/2012 8:13:21 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Bump


26 posted on 10/17/2012 8:13:55 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 elections.)
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To: wrench
"Make no mistake, no difference in obama and Romney on gun control. Both are in the Brady Bunch camp."

That's odd. The November issue of American Rifleman from the NRA seems certain there's a difference.

27 posted on 10/17/2012 8:19:31 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: Azeem; SatinDoll
SatinDoll had written:
Yeah. Too bad Romney already banished assault weapons in Massachusetts when governor.

Yes.

Azeem replied:
"No he didn’t. He banned semi-automatic guns based on certain characteristics."

Yes, he did. The AWB defines "assault weapons" in politics and law. I was issued M-16s (and M-203s, M-60s, anti-tank weapons, etc.) and never called them "assault weapons." The phrase, "assault weapons" is a civilian phrase.

"Still stupid but not an assault gun ban. By definition, assault weapons are selective fire. Those are illegal under NFA and FOPA."

By definition, automatic rifles are select fire including the choice of automatic fire. "Assault weapons" is a phrase used by civilians in politics, and it does apply to the semi-automatic rifles banned by Romney and his political friends running both political parties.

Is the phrase, assault weapon, retarded? Yes, it is--like contemporary political speech in general. A rock can be an assault weapon. So can anything else.


28 posted on 10/17/2012 8:19:42 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a thunderous avalanche of rottenness smelled around the earth.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I think the illegal drug industry is the main culprit across America. How many gangs are centered around the sale of illegal drugs around this nation? How many of them use the tactics of terrorist assaults with weapons to intimidate their competition? How many times are weapons employed in criminal activities centered around the drug enterprise? We have youths engaged in all nature of illegal activities centered around organized criminal activities that support their drug enterprise. It is the activities of the drug enterprise that are the problem—not guns! These criminals rarely engage in legitimate activities to make their money. Their enterprise escapes the scrutiny of the IRS. These activities are such things as pimping, bank robberies, fencing operations, home invasion robberies, car theft, metal theft, money laundering, marijuana grow operations, meth production labs—the list is endless. All these activities are efforts to raise the capitol necessary to purchase large quantities of drugs (inventory) for street sale operations. It is big business folks. The impact of this illegal activity on our society you could compare to a factory spilling out poison into the community. It is a disaster.

Gun violence? It’s the tip of the ice burg. It’s the drug industry that is doing much more harm to this nation than guns.

It is time for technology to do what our nation’s cultural norms no longer will do. We have entire sectors of our society that have become so compromised in their moral culture, they have become a cancerous growth across this nation. The only way to a cure for any cancerous growth is through technology.

This is why I say, it is time to eradicate the drugs that come from plants by doing some DNA tricks to the fields that grow them. Create genetically engineered species that sends out pollen that renders any plant that is fertilized by that pollen only able to produce sterile seeds.

IMHO.


29 posted on 10/17/2012 8:25:04 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: umgud

“only one of them called for AWB reinstitution.”

And only one of them actually did it. (hint: Romney)


30 posted on 10/17/2012 8:27:13 PM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: muir_redwoods

NRA is a political organization, they have no interest in defending the Constitution.

They are afraid of what BO MIGHT do, how about what rummy has already done.

You can not pick up a turd by the clean end, this is what Mittens would have us believe he did in Mass.


31 posted on 10/17/2012 8:28:20 PM PDT by wrench
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To: jonrick46

“sterile seeds”

Very, Very, bad idea. It is rumored that Monsanto already has the gene to render a species or plant to not reproduce.

Do you want the world to starve to death? If the rumor is true, it is possible for that to happen if the gene gets in the wild.


32 posted on 10/17/2012 8:30:57 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Well, you can come after them, but let’s ee if you get them :D


33 posted on 10/17/2012 8:35:18 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: SatinDoll; All

It’s amazing how much this keeps making the rounds when it’s flat out untrue. Granted Romney himself made it look bad because he said some really dumb things (he was briefed by a moron who didn’t understand the bill).

However it didn’t actually ban guns. The MA gun ban was passed in 1998. The 2004 law was a reform of that law which took out a number of the worst parts of it.

Don’t take my word for it, listen to the MA gun rights group:

http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

From that page this is what the law did:

1. Established the Firearm License Review Board (FLRB). The 1998 law created new criteria for disqualifying citizens for firearms licenses that included any misdemeanor punishable by more than two years even if no jail time was ever served.

For instance, a first conviction of operating a motor vehicle under the influence would result in the loss of your ability to own a handgun for life and long guns for a minimum of five years. This Board is now able to review cases under limited circumstances to restore licenses to individuals who meet certain criteria.

2. Mandated that a minimum of $50,000 of the licensing fees be used for the operation of the FLRB so that the Board would not cease operating under budget cuts.

3. Extended the term of the state’s firearm licenses from 4 years to 6 years.

4. Permanently attached the federal language concerning assault weapon exemptions in 18 USC 922 Appendix A to the Massachusetts assault weapons laws. This is the part that the media misrepresented.

In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them.

5. Re-instated a 90 day grace period for citizens who were trying to renew their firearm license. Over the past years, the government agencies in charge had fallen months behind in renewing licenses. At one point it was taking upwards of a year to renew a license. Under Massachusetts law, a citizen cannot have a firearm or ammunition in their home with an expired license.

6. Mandated that law enforcement must issue a receipt for firearms that are confiscated due to an expired license. Prior to this law, no receipts were given for property confiscated which led to accusations of stolen or lost firearms after they were confiscated by police.

7. Gave free license renewal for law enforcement officers who applied through their employing agency.

8. Changed the size and style of a firearm license to that of a driver’s license so that it would fit in a normal wallet. The original license was 3” x 4”.

9. Created stiffer penalties for armed home invaders.

My take on Romney vis a vis guns is pretty simple- he simply doesn’t much care about the topic, and as such is tone deaf on such matters. He does, however, support his side on the issues as he is expected to.


34 posted on 10/17/2012 8:37:12 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So what. You're worried about Stockman when you should be worried about Romney. He's a Globalist who will keep much of the failed foreign policies of the present White House.

There has been a huge effort on the part of powerful people who do not want to change political cronyism as it operates in Washington, D.C., in order to get Romney elected rather than allowing Sarah Palin a run at the candidacy.

I realize how bad Obama is and warned FR back in 2008 that he wasn't eligible and worse, he's a communist. No one listened.

I've been warning FR about Romney since March. As usual, I did the same due diligence in researching Gov.Romney's background and made some startling discoveries.

No matter, the die has been cast and Romney is our candidate, however dangerous I may believe him to be.

So, 2ndDiv, I feel compelled to inform people about Romney, not to change the election's outcome but to encourage everyone to vote for supra-conservative Republicans down ballot. It will be the only way we American patriots have to control a President who is pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-homosexualist, and who has no inclination to obliterate the evils inherent in Obamacare.

35 posted on 10/17/2012 8:38:03 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: wrench

My choice is to take your unsupported analysis of gun control threats ior the NRA’s

Thanks but I think I’ve got my decision


36 posted on 10/17/2012 8:40:34 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: SatinDoll

I’ve never had any love for Governor Romney, but when the choice comes down to either him or Barack Hussein Obama, a man dead-set on destroying my country, there is no contest. And that is the choice. No third party or write-in candidate is going to be sworn in next January.


37 posted on 10/17/2012 8:42:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: umgud

Yup. And the press still can’t figure out clips and magazines.


38 posted on 10/17/2012 8:48:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Texas Fossil
From the article:

“But there have been too many instances during the course of my presidency, where I’ve had to comfort families who have lost somebody,” he said.

By signing condolence letters with an auto pen?

For troops KIA because of insane Rules of Engagement?

39 posted on 10/17/2012 8:55:15 PM PDT by Jumpmaster (Defund the Left!)
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To: muir_redwoods

Unsupported? Hardly.

Quote from the bill R signed, his signature is on this:

under banned
and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR and FNC; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9 and M-12; (vi) Steyr AUG; (vii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (viii) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as, or similar to, the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; provided, however, that the term assault weapon shall not include: (i) any of the weapons, or replicas or duplicates of such weapons, specified in appendix A to 18 U.S.C. section 922,

“Large capacity feeding device”, (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31).

“Large capacity weapon”, any firearm, rifle or shotgun: (i) that is semiautomatic with a fixed large capacity feeding device; (ii) that is semiautomatic and capable of accepting, or readily modifiable to accept, any detachable large capacity feeding device; (iii) that employs a rotating cylinder capable of accepting more than ten rounds of ammunition in a rifle or firearm and more than five shotgun shells in the case of a shotgun or firearm; or (iv) that is an assault weapon.

And it just gets better.

This is what this RINO wants nationwide.

Is mittens better for the US in the big picture? Sure. But his bragging on being a friend to the 2nd is nothing but hot air.

Once a Constitutional right is taken from us, it is never coming back.


40 posted on 10/17/2012 9:00:14 PM PDT by wrench
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