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Obama: I am coming after the guns and I will screen gun owners
Human Events ^ | 10/17/2012 | Neil W. McCabe

Posted on 10/17/2012 7:22:52 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

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To: Kansas58
...Obama sacrificed the lives of American law enforcement and border patrol agents and Mexican citizens, in the Fast and Furious scandal.

The entire POINT of that operation was to weaken American support for gun rights...

Do not forget the Obama administration literally framed the private American citizens who made the mohammed film in the Benghazi scandal.

I see very little recognition of this fact among ANY of the administration's critics.

61 posted on 10/18/2012 1:13:22 AM PDT by papertyger (Obama framed private Americans in the Benghazi scandal.)
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To: wrench

Thanks, your input has been very valuable

Sure it has


62 posted on 10/18/2012 3:29:18 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: Repeat Offender

Hello?

The choice is Hubert Humphrey or Joe Stalin

Next


63 posted on 10/18/2012 3:31:10 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: jonrick46

Careful what you wish for.

It is not species that is targeted. Plants cross pollinate.

Crop production is not a simple thing. Current seed law is a legal mine field. And it is getting worse.

I know about this. I am in the seed production business. And have made adjustments to seed sources because of the problems we talk about.

This is potentially the worst threat that mankind could be facing.


64 posted on 10/18/2012 5:04:31 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Eagles6

“Neither law prohibits ownership of select fire weapons. I believe they are legal in more than half the states.”

If you believe that only certain weapons made before 1986 (can’t remember the exact year) AND with a permission slip from the Federal government means legal, then sure.

Pull out a Glock 18 in those States and see what happens.


65 posted on 10/18/2012 8:21:24 AM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.")
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To: Azeem

Neither law prohibits ownership of select fire weapons. I believe they are legal in more than half the states.


66 posted on 10/18/2012 11:42:00 AM PDT by Eagles6 (DNC 2012 Convention: Celebrating infanticide and sodomy. Denying God.What could possibly go wrong?)
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To: Texas Fossil

Varyouga in Post #53 makes very good points, which would make my DNA drug abatement scheme a pipe dream. My thinking is born out of frustration that things have got so bad. I think decriminilizaton may be the best answer. Also, there is much that can be done with drug screenings for those who want to collect state assistance. Those seeking jobs or are employed can be subject to drug screenings too. The fear of being detected and the consequences can have a deterent effect.


67 posted on 10/18/2012 11:59:56 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: wrench

So how is he going to implement this ban with a Republican House. Has he promised it on the campaign trail where he could claim a mandate?


68 posted on 10/18/2012 12:13:37 PM PDT by Starstruck (Looking into the abyss.)
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To: wrench
Make no mistake, no difference in obama and Romney on gun control. Both are in the Brady Bunch camp.

One difference: Romney knows he will lose the 2016 primary if he initiates ANY gun control measure.

69 posted on 10/18/2012 12:35:38 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: jonrick46
The fastest and cheapest way to reduce illicit drug use ans the crime it causes paying for the black market product is to legalize it. I do not condone illicit use as such. But The War On Drugs has become a War on U.S. or rights and our freedoms.

How much do you really understand about drugs? Back in the late 1800's pharmacist and doctors were actually making tonics and fountain drinks made from Cocaine and opiates. You could walk in and say I'll have a Coca Cola. Yes the same Coca Cola on the store shelves today minus cocaine.

Back in the 1970's your run of the mill marijuana was grown in some farmers field who lived in a remote area and really there wasn't that much cost. An ounce went for roughly $20. You could not overdose on it, it was not addictive, and it wasn't no where close to the potency today that design via the very engineering you speak of made it far more potent. It was a lot safer than booze.

In steps the War on Drugs. The state and FEDS got serious first on Pot fields. Local crops were destroyed and what was once a Hey dummy don't let me catch you growing no more Pot became hard time in prison. It was at that point the Black Market exploded for POT and the Mexican Drug Cartels were born. Illegal importation of drugs became a profitable enterprise.

Back in the 1930's the feds also tried to outlaw the manufacturing of alcoholic drinks. From that prohibition came some of the most notorious criminal gangs of the day. It did not stop drinking rather it increased. Bootlegging began. But a legal means to distribute alcohol took it's place in every store in the nation.

I used to collect antique bottles. I am very familiar with Prohibition Era Bottles LOL. Tonics and OTC Liquids sales boomed during prohibition. The alcohol content in those products was 20% or greater alcohol. Me and m dad and an uncle would dig out filled in cisterns for the bottles. We knew when we hit Prohibition and knew then the good bottles were deeper just below them.

The WOD has also created another huge problem known as METH. The biggest danger to all of course is METH Labs. It makes more sense to me to allow a legal manufacturing of METH under safe conditions and sell it cheap to addicts then to have Joe METH an addict himself cooking it and blowing himself and his neighbors up.

The government will not end drug production because it can't be ended. The solution is to end the profitability behind it. Believe it or not Bootleggers liked Prohibition. It gave them a market and prices they didn't have before. Prohibition did not save lives nor end drinking. More persons including casual drinkers likely died from bad brew than one died from alcohol associated disease or alcoholism.

The War On Drugs on the other hand has created such violations of the Constitution as property seizures often without due process making the person prove their money was going to be spent for other reasons etc tieing it up for years in some cases in courts where less than honest LEA's are using WOD for revenue enhancement or to out right steal. Most cash is tainted you know. Personally if I have $5k on my person I think that's my own darn business. Could be headed to an auction or to a car lot. One county near me was real bad for cash grabs on the interstate.

WOD has also given us the very wrong and highly dangerous No Knock Raid Policies. It has made honest law abiding persons to be placed on Watch and Suspect databases for the simple purchase of Cold Medications. It has given us gang Activity often associated with out of country drug cartels. It has given a market for designer drugs creating a market that was not there or a threat before the WOD began. It's past time to end the War On Drugs. The War On Drugs is a much bigger threat to the survival of our nation than illicit drug markets it has created.

I don't think it wise for a person to destroy themselves with illicit drugs. On the other hand some illegal drugs are not that harmful to start with. My dad suffered through the final stages of cancer for several years including Chemo. I know enough about Pot to know it helps certain medical conditions like the bad side affects of Chemo. I also knew a man who retained his drivers license and independence by using it for his glaucoma.

Yes some drugs are far too dangerous to be legalized. On the other hand some of the outlawed drugs is just plain stupid. Yes if I could have afforded to do so both monetary wise and not been locked up I would have gotten dad some Pot for his use. No the prescription written anti-nausea medication is not better. I mean lets be logical here. A man was taking Morphine and Hydrocodone plus Chemo and unable to eat, yet Pot would hurt him?

As for myself? I haven't smoked it in over 27 years. But I perfered it too drinking which was legal. Never addicted to it, didn't crave stronger drugs, I just got tired of the stuff and moved on like the vast majority of those who ever smoked it have. OH BTW doctors say my lungs are clear.

70 posted on 10/18/2012 7:09:07 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: SatinDoll

We know Obama pays no heed to the law nor the Constitution. I don’t know that to be the case with Romney.


71 posted on 10/18/2012 7:37:03 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Azeem
No he didn’t. He banned semi-automatic guns based on certain characteristics. Still stupid but not an assault gun ban. By definition, assault weapons are selective fire. Those are illegal under NFA and FOPA.

Just responding to your original statement which was incorrect.

72 posted on 10/18/2012 11:05:40 PM PDT by Eagles6 (DNC 2012 Convention: Celebrating infanticide and sodomy. Denying God.What could possibly go wrong?)
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To: cva66snipe

While we wait for a technological fix that will not do more harm than good, legalization attempts to use market forces to take the profit out of the product. Whether legalization will indeed take enough of the profit out of the product remains to be seen. It is worth the try.


73 posted on 10/18/2012 11:52:52 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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