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Trayvon Martin's parents decry school records request
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/ ^

Posted on 10/19/2012 9:12:40 AM PDT by jakerobins

SANFORD – Hours before George Zimmerman will return to court for a hearing on his request for Trayvon Martin's school records, the teen's parents accused Zimmerman of needlessly attacking their slain son's character.

"I feel that Trayvon's school records are not relevant in this case," Trayvon's father Tracy Martin said this morning, adding that Zimmerman's medical records, also a pending issue for today's hearing, "are very relevant in the case."

"It is wrong to subpoena his records on so many levels," said Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump, who called the defense request "the old classic method of attacking the victim."

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; sourcetitlenoturl; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
Poor little St. Trayvon.....How dare they show records and proof of the little thug he was? Instead of taking their parents word....
1 posted on 10/19/2012 9:12:43 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins

Data to support poor parenting.


2 posted on 10/19/2012 9:13:55 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jakerobins

But his records would show he was schedule for choir practice on the day he was stalked and killed for no reason!


3 posted on 10/19/2012 9:15:03 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: jakerobins

Welcome to legal “trial.” This is what the Martin family demanded.


4 posted on 10/19/2012 9:18:25 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: jakerobins

“I feel that Trayvon’s school records are not relevant in this case,” Trayvon’s father Tracy Martin said this morning, adding that Zimmerman’s medical records, also a pending issue for today’s hearing, “are very relevant in the case.”

Why would Capt. Zimmerman’s medical records be relevant as any medical conditions he would have would not have been observed by Trayvon?


5 posted on 10/19/2012 9:20:21 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: jakerobins

Discovery is a bitch. (Snicker)


6 posted on 10/19/2012 9:20:42 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: headstamp 2

Yep, the record will show that poor little Trayvon was a gang banger in training. We can’t have that. It might give people the impression that Trayvon was aggressive and attacked Zimmerman that night. But the liberal narrative is that he was shot for no reason, and that America has notchanged from the days of Emmitt Till.

The narrative is more important to liberals than the actual facts of the case.


7 posted on 10/19/2012 9:25:00 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: jakerobins

I’m guessing the records will demonstrate a propensity for violence which will not ony sully the name of Trayvon, but will bolster Zimmerman’s defense.


8 posted on 10/19/2012 9:30:40 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
The race card use is slowly fading away in it's effective usefulness.
Blacks have wasted their political capital on trumped up racial canards.

9 posted on 10/19/2012 9:36:48 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Uncle Slayton
I feel that Trayvon’s school records are not relevant in this case

They are as relevant as anything in this case Mr. Martin. We are not interested in his grades though that would be a topic for consideration, we are looking for disciplinary records. What was the real reason Travon was suspended? How about is associates, who were his friends? What were their school record like?

Mr. Martin....everything about your son is fair game here. Because, if he was the choirboy you have suggested then there is nothing to see....is there? Or is there?

10 posted on 10/19/2012 9:37:09 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Joe 6-pack

can’t wait this is going to be good

expose the so called victim


11 posted on 10/19/2012 9:37:38 AM PDT by Gasshog
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To: jakerobins
LOL! Poor widdle things.

They have no trouble politicizing their son's death when it could make them some scratch, but it's 'unfair' for everyone to know exactly who this little punk was.

Truth to a liberal is like Holy water to a vampire.

12 posted on 10/19/2012 9:39:30 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Cboldt
Let the public colonoscopy of the Martin family commence.
13 posted on 10/19/2012 9:50:07 AM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: jakerobins
"the old classic method of attacking the victim"

No; it's portraying the REAL victim in this farce, and the State-Run-Media phony hype about his "victimhood" is gonna be blown to bits when it's shown what a thug and up-to-on-good typical Yewt he was.

Being in a neighborhood you don't belong, walking in backyards, and then attempting to beat the crap out of someone who questions your presence is NOT a "stellar example of youth".

14 posted on 10/19/2012 9:53:09 AM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

a propensity for violence which will not ony sully the name of Trayvon

Facts? Facts? We don’t need no stink’n facts!


15 posted on 10/19/2012 9:56:03 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: jakerobins
"I feel that Trayvon's school records are not relevant in this case," Trayvon's father Tracy Martin said this morning

Well, Mr Martin, don't you want to find out why he was not at school for all that time or did you think that it was still Christmas vacation???

16 posted on 10/19/2012 10:00:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: jakerobins

You’ll enjoy this!
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/article/278677/8/New-Black-Panther-Party-chief-of-staff-arrested


17 posted on 10/19/2012 10:04:14 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: jakerobins

Justice is blind.. denial of the records will just add fuel to the fire, not sure if it is an appeal-worthy item, who knows in Florida, not foregetting a judicial system that has let a murdering ‘mom’ go not so long ago.


18 posted on 10/19/2012 10:05:17 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: jakerobins
I feel that Trayvon's school records are not relevant in this case

So what does the little punk have to hide? That he was a real sad case and a real screwed up piece of crap.

19 posted on 10/19/2012 10:09:26 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: jakerobins

You wanted a trial. This is part of it.


20 posted on 10/19/2012 10:12:41 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: jakerobins
Trayvon's parents should blame Obama if the kid's school records are allowed as character evidence. After all, blacks recently polled said they felt less empowered since he was elected.

;-)

21 posted on 10/19/2012 10:14:20 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: jakerobins

What is it? Blacks went through the strife and trouble with civil rights to get the right to attend schools, but none of them want their school records released.

If they had nothing to hide, they would show them voluntarily.


22 posted on 10/19/2012 10:14:57 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: jakerobins

The hearing is here now and about to begin. Anyone who wants to provide live stream comments on the hearing:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/WATCH-LIVE-Hearing-held-in-George-Zimmerman-murder-case/-/1637132/17054942/-/3318ah/-/index.html


23 posted on 10/19/2012 10:30:58 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: jakerobins
Hours before George Zimmerman will return to court for a hearing on his request for Trayvon Martin's school records, the teen's parents accused Zimmerman of needlessly attacking their slain son's character.

Cry me a river. Trayvon's "character" is at the heart of this issue and the school records will support the fact that he was a thug and a troublemaker.

Those are the "character" issues mommy and daddy want to hide because they have managed to get the media to treat this as a race issue with Zimmerman as the racist-in-chief.

Sorry mom and dad - you're about to be smacked in the face with reality, and Trayvon will be revealed for the thug-wanna-be that he was. To date, all of the prosecution's findings support Zimmerman's version of the truth. But, the case is being handled by a witch so they have to continue with the witch hunt!!

24 posted on 10/19/2012 10:36:42 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Judge: “Based on other cases, the Defense is entitled to Mr Martin’s records.”


25 posted on 10/19/2012 10:49:56 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Prosecution loses round 1 — Defense gets Martin’s records.


26 posted on 10/19/2012 10:55:47 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
MOM now arguing for release of Martin's social media -- Facebook et al.

The media lawyers are on his side on this one too.

27 posted on 10/19/2012 11:00:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

State lost on keeping DeeDee’s material away from subpoena too. State (de la Rionda) said that it hadn’t been proven that DeeDee was a minor, O’Mara said it is the state’s position that DeeDee’s ID had to be protected because she is a minor. LOL.


28 posted on 10/19/2012 11:10:12 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Uncle Chip

O’Mara gets his social media and now wants DeeDee’s.


29 posted on 10/19/2012 11:10:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Streaming the court, live.
30 posted on 10/19/2012 11:12:09 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Take over if you wish, Cboldt, I don’t have sound.


31 posted on 10/19/2012 11:28:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Did I get that — the judge has denied witness addresses to the defense. That’s nonsense.


32 posted on 10/19/2012 11:42:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
-- Did I get that -- the judge has denied witness addresses to the defense. That's nonsense. --

I think the defense already has witness addresses. The only issue is whether or not (or when) the public will get them. I was away about a minute after I posted that live link, so don't know what happened after the "is DeeDee a minor?" exchange instigated by de la Rionda.

33 posted on 10/19/2012 12:44:51 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Uncle Chip
From another source ...
The next issue is a request by West for the state to reveal to the defense the physical address of DeeDee, Fulton and Martin's brother. Instead, Nelson orederd the state to produce the witness for deposition and that the defense can ask their address at that time. West was not happy.

34 posted on 10/19/2012 12:49:55 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Citing prior case law, the judge in the George Zimmerman murder case on Friday ruled that the defense was entitled to the school records of Trayvon Martin and can also subpoena his social media posts.

In a self-defense claim, the defendant is entitled to inquire about the victim’s propensity for violence. As of now, the information will not be made public, Judge Debra S. Nelson said. But, if it is used in future proceedings, including any trial, it could then become public.

Zimmerman’s attorney, former Local 6 legal analyst Mark O’Mara, said online videos exist of Martin being involved in mixed martial arts-style fights. Nelson ruled that O’Mara can subpoena Martin’s Facebook and Twitter accounts.

O’Mara was also granted the ability to subpoena the social media posts of Martin’s girlfriend, who was on the phone with Martin when he was shot, according to his parents’ attorney. O’Mara said he believes her online postings may contradict her story.

Nelson said she would rule at a later date on O’Mara’s request to obtain FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement reports on the investigations into Martin’s death.

Nelson also said the defense team can ask witnesses their addresses during depositions. If they refuse, Nelson said she would intervene. The state argued that the addresses should not be disclosed for safety reasons.

During the hearing, O’Mara handed Nelson an emergency motion concerning a witness deposition that occurred on Thursday. Details about the motion were vague, and Nelson ruled that the matter would be addressed at a hearing next Friday.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Judge-George-Zimmerman-entitled-to-records-of-Trayvon-Martin/-/1637132/17052764/-/lgytyo/-/index.html

What could that Emergency Motion possibly be about???

Supposedly it had something to do with a deposition of one of the LEOs yesterday and the prosecution looked worried and fought to keep it sealed.


35 posted on 10/19/2012 12:53:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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-- What could that Emergency Motion possibly be about???

Supposedly it had something to do with a deposition of one of the LEOs yesterday and the prosecution looked worried and fought to keep it sealed. --

From TalkLeft's forum ...

MOM filed an emergency motion to sequster witnesses before deposition. Apparently a witness suggested some funny business.

I'm guessing that the prosecutor has been contacting witnesses before deposition, and O'Mara wants that to stop.

36 posted on 10/19/2012 1:04:42 PM PDT by Cboldt
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The defense is trying to tie down just who exactly Dee Dee is or whether she is two or three different people.

Same with Martin's brother -- he goes by two last names [Martin and Fulton] depending upon who he is talking to.

37 posted on 10/19/2012 1:06:29 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
-- The defense is trying to tie down just who exactly Dee Dee is or whether she is two or three different people. --

Well, the defense may wonder if the social media material it got from cached internet sources is DeeDee or not, but whoever gave the phone interview to Crump and to de la Rionda is just one person, as far as I know. If that ends up being two different people, the prosecution has a real problem.

38 posted on 10/19/2012 1:09:44 PM PDT by Cboldt
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The Defense’s Emergency Motion:

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Emergency%20Motion%20for%20Protective%20Order.pdf


39 posted on 10/19/2012 1:33:03 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
-- What could that Emergency Motion possibly be about???

Supposedly it had something to do with a deposition of one of the LEOs yesterday and the prosecution looked worried and fought to keep it sealed. --

The Emergency Motion is online.

Emergency Motion for Protective Order - 19 October 2012.

O'Mara says that it appears the state withheld exculpatory evidence, in particular, the consensus of the SPD that there was insufficient evidence to charge a crime, any crime. O'Mara wants this specific area of inquiry (SPD consensus) to be "off limits" as a discussion matter between the witnesses and any lawyers, until O'Mara has an opportunity to depose all of the SPD personnel and others involved in the meetings discussing the case.

40 posted on 10/19/2012 1:34:10 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

I think Chris Serino is breaking out in a cold sweat right about now.


41 posted on 10/19/2012 1:50:17 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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If you have to use the perp’s first name it’s Thugvon.

Why do you all use his first, but George’s last name in your posts?????????


42 posted on 10/19/2012 1:54:54 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com (I AM UNREPRESENTED))
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To: bicyclerepair
-- Why do you all use his first, but George's last name in your posts? --

I assume you were not directing that to my remarks.

43 posted on 10/19/2012 2:07:51 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: bicyclerepair; Cboldt
Why do you all use his first, but George’s last name in your posts?????????

It' simple: When we say "Zimmerman", you know who we are talking about.

When we say "Trayvon", you know who we are talking about.

But the names "George" and "Martin" are not so definitive. Though I understand your point.

44 posted on 10/19/2012 2:07:55 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
When we say "Zimmerman", you know who we are talking about.

I've got his latest album, it's great!

45 posted on 10/19/2012 2:10:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Uncle Chip
-- I think Chris Serino is breaking out in a cold sweat right about now. --

I doubt it. The charging decision isn't his no matter what, and whatever hard feelings he created are internal to the department. Corey and her lap dog de la Rionda are the ones who ought to be reaching for the Maalox.

46 posted on 10/19/2012 2:11:17 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Revolting cat!

Was that album recorded before or after the head banging.


47 posted on 10/19/2012 2:13:54 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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