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A Rogue Climate Experiment Outrages Scientists
New York Times ^
| 18 October 2012
| Henry Fountain
Posted on 10/21/2012 4:24:17 PM PDT by Lorianne
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:24:19 PM PDT
by
Lorianne
To: Lorianne
They don’t like anyone intruding into the their monopoly on “science”, especially if it shows that the ocean is a simple fix for any excess CO2.
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:27:36 PM PDT
by
palmer
(Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
To: Lorianne
What the heck is iron dust supposed to do?
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:31:32 PM PDT
by
driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
To: driftdiver
The dust will get wet:)
Actually is supposed to help spawn plankton. I went ahead and read the article:)
To: driftdiver
"It's delicious, and nutritious too!"
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:39:44 PM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(To bid on this tagline space: www.jeffchandlerstaglinespace.com)
To: driftdiver
"What the heck is iron dust supposed to do?"Feed the fish??
To: Cold Heart
Read the article@! thats outrageous.
spawn plankton? which will then deplete the oxygen and kill all the fish
or make the ocean rust
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:41:55 PM PDT
by
driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
To: driftdiver
It is supposed to cause an algea bloom which then dies when runs out of iron. The biomass then sinks trapping the carbon at the sea bottom.
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:42:01 PM PDT
by
dangerdoc
(see post #6)
To: Lorianne
They are out of control. In Northern Michigan they are tearing out the Boardman dam near Traverse city and managed to flood several dozen homes in the process. To make matters worse, they have contaminated the wells with industrial waste and then told people to boil the water which wouldn't work.
Dam Removal Mishap Raises More Questions, Concerns
To make matters worse, they wouldn't even allow a private investor spend his own money to maintain the dam and produce electricity.
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:42:50 PM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
To: Lorianne
Canadas environment ministry says it is investigating the experiment, which was carried out with no government or scientific oversight. No government oversight?
Oh the horror!!
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:42:57 PM PDT
by
unixfox
(Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
To: Lorianne
I think it’s funny. Here some guy did something they would have been proud to take credit for, if only one of their half-witted nincompoops came up with the idea, and it had cost a half billion dollars U. S.
They demagogue the issue of global warming for twenty years, causing weak minded people to go psycho on us all, and now they’re mystified why anyone would do this.
Hey folks, break out YOUR folders dumb asses. Perhaps if you put 10,000 of your brilliant (or not) people together, they might be able to figure this one out in thirty years or so.
Most of us healthy people already have an answer.
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:42:57 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
To: Jeff Chandler
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:43:39 PM PDT
by
driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
To: palmer
There's this volcano just off Oregon that's just ~ like ~ FUR SHUR ~ and these Canadians imagine this guy dropping some iron dust in on top of the Juan de Fuca Plate subduction zone ~ that pushes up the Cascade mountain range, and gives rise to that volcano ~ is a rogue experiment that could change the environment.
Not likely ~ did you know the locals call that plate the "Wonder....." Plate ~ 's true!
Geology magazine had a piece a couple of years back showing how this is the plate that is dampening the mantle plume that fires up Yellowstone, while it, the plume, is destroying the plate ~ http://seismo.berkeley.edu/~rallen/pub/2007xue/XueAllenEPSL2007.pdf
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:43:45 PM PDT
by
muawiyah
To: driftdiver
Low natural levels of iron is sea water limit plankton and other plant growth. Adding iron dust is essentially fertilizer for them. More plant growth eats more CO2 and feeds more fish. Hmm, maybe we need to bring back sub warfare to fix the oceans. LOTS of iron added to the oceans during WWII.
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:44:50 PM PDT
by
JohnBovenmyer
(Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
To: Lorianne
“The entrepreneur, whose foray came to light only this week,...”
Really? It was on cable t.v. He claimed he was going to be paid by clients to do something or other. Reduce CO2, grow plankton, kill plankton, cool, heat, rotate the earth or something. AND all by dumping iron in the ocean!
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:44:54 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: driftdiver
There are areas of the ocean that are “deserts” because of a lack of nutrients. They won’t hurt fish because the fish don’t live there.
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:45:20 PM PDT
by
dangerdoc
(see post #6)
To: Lorianne
In case anybody is interested, if you google around, the FATHER of Modern Climatology (he won a Nobel Price for the advancement of the science) claimed the Ozone depletion theory (man made cause) was pure bunk, and furthermore, he said how to fix it.
He actually had iron filings dumped in the antarctic, and it proved (via the production of ozone) that he was right.
What is the problem here is junk (corrupt) science sold via state funding.
If ozone depletion (via fluorocarbons) really is a problem, then why is not chlorinated water evapiration a problem 100000X larger?????
I followed this when the “ozone hole” controversy first broke out....
BTW, there is RECORD ice right now in tha antarctic.....
To: driftdiver
QUOTE:
The iron spawned the growth of enormous amounts of plankton, which Mr. George, a former fisheries and forestry worker, said might allow the project to meet one of its goals: aiding the recovery of the local salmon fishery for the native Haida.
Plankton absorbs carbon dioxide, the predominant greenhouse gas, and settles deep in the ocean when it dies, sequestering carbon. The Haida had hoped that by burying carbon, they could also sell so-called carbon offset credits to companies and make money.
Iron fertilization is contentious because it is associated with geoengineering, a set of proposed strategies for counteracting global warming through the deliberate manipulation of the environment. Many experts have argued that scientists should be researching such geoengineering techniques like spewing compounds into the atmosphere to reflect more sunlight or using sophisticated machines to remove carbon dioxide from the air. UNQUOTE
(Salmon fsherman will do just about anything to increase their catch!)
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:50:44 PM PDT
by
Candor7
(Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
To: Lorianne
These gov't types are too much.
Blah, blah, blah...
If he broke a law, charge him. Otherwise shut the 'ef up.
Idiots.
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posted on
10/21/2012 4:55:53 PM PDT
by
liberty_lvr
(Drill Gaia like a 3 am prom date)
To: palmer
Yes, a lot of AGW alarmists oppose geo-engineering of any sort, on the basis that it might enable us to go on using fossil fuels. By that, they betray their true intents -- to bring down modern civilization.
However, this "ocean fertilization" (like all geo-engineering) has the potential to be disastrous on a grand scale. If it works as anticipated; just a couple thousand tons or so of iron filings could remove a lot of C02 from the atmosphere. Potentially enough to set off a new ice age -- which would be a far, far worse scenario than the worst case for global warming.
To see why this is the case, look at the graph below:
Did you notice that the greenhouse effect of C02 is logarithmic. If you double the amount of C02 in the atmosphere, you only increase the greenhouse effect by about 30%. The greenhouse effect of C02 is almost maxed out (that's something the alarmists don't want you to know). However, if you reduce the amount of C02, you move to the steeper left side of the graph. Cut the amount of atmospheric C02 in half, and we're in the next ice age. Do you trust envrio-fascist fanatics to not overshoot the mark?
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