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Trailblazing Women Fail Marine Corpsí Infantry Officer Course
KPBS.org ^ | October 17, 2012 | Beth Ford Roth

Posted on 10/24/2012 9:52:16 AM PDT by QT3.14

Two trailblazing women who became the first female participants in the notoriously brutal Marine Corps’ Infantry Officer Course have dropped out of the program, according to the Stars and Stripes.

The two female lieutenants failed to complete the combat endurance test portion of the program, as did 26 male Marines.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: infantry; marines; military; usmc; war; women; womenincombat
Lowering quals for women coming soon I bet.

Then they can announce women are equal physically.

1 posted on 10/24/2012 9:52:17 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

This is the case everywhere, in sports (golf) and employment - lower the bar to make it unfair to men.

If women want to do the same job as men, they should have to meet the EXACT SAME STANDARDS.


2 posted on 10/24/2012 9:54:46 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: QT3.14

The Standards will definitely have to be lowered for the vaginally impaired.


3 posted on 10/24/2012 9:56:52 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: QT3.14

My son said the Quigly at Quantico was a piece of cake compared to the combat endurance test. Dehydration is what nearly broke him. He handled the physicality OK.


4 posted on 10/24/2012 9:58:17 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: QT3.14

Only uncivilized countries send their women into combat.


5 posted on 10/24/2012 10:00:15 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: IncPen

The Heart and The Fist- Eric Greitens - saw him this past Sunday on Pritzker Military Library


6 posted on 10/24/2012 10:00:16 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: QT3.14

Heck, if 26 Marines dropped out these two WM’s have
nothing to be ashamed of.

Ooooorah! Marines!


7 posted on 10/24/2012 10:00:57 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: QT3.14

Yup. When women couldn’t meet the standardsat West Point, they lowered the standard.


8 posted on 10/24/2012 10:02:59 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: QT3.14
From the article:

The Marines are keeping the identities of the two female volunteers private. However, one of the women released a statement after dropping out of the program, which reads in part:

“I want to try to open up a door, maybe, for women after me. I don’t know how far it will open, but I’m hoping to make a difference for women down the road.”

Since this woman was chosen for her extraordinary female physical condition, I opine that the door is not made to be opened by the female of the species; unless, of course, the standard is lowered to that of a 50 year-old couch-potato male.

9 posted on 10/24/2012 10:05:17 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: QT3.14
Was it the bayonnettes portion?
10 posted on 10/24/2012 10:07:02 AM PDT by Darth Dan
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To: tet68

Maybe some of San Francisco’s finest that enlisted after Obozo ended don’t ask don’t tell?


11 posted on 10/24/2012 10:11:56 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Obamanation--the most corrupt regime since Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe)
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To: QT3.14
“I want to try to open up a door, maybe, for women after me. I don’t know how far it will open, but I’m hoping to make a difference for women down the road.”

Interesting, I would have thought that her priority would have been making a difference for her country and the Corps.

12 posted on 10/24/2012 10:23:39 AM PDT by TankerKC (If Mitt Romney is elected, everyone in the US will die!)
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To: fwdude

agreed, British royal marine commando’s ban women through out.

To get int eh marines the standards have been lowered and are a joke now.
Women only have to do one pull up to get in, men can do two and to finish their final test is three pull ups which are a joke, the run is down in sneakers and I forget the exact time and distance but I remember it were a joke

The marines are the best and most respected IMHO but I know from what I hav e seen that the other branches are even more of a joke and for women to think they should have the same jobs then shoudl do as you state and do the exact tests and training

I hate it when liberal women state how they should have equal rights and then want special rights and easier tests.

I served and was given one womanwhilst doing Arctic and mountain warfare training in the Arctic and trust me I wrote a report after about how she faeld and was useless and I guarantee that report was ripped up.

Homosexuals are another group which should not be allowed to serve, last year rapes on men by men jumped a lot to 19,000 sexual assaults in one year and that is just what was reported.
Notice how those rapes went up when don;t ask went away and homosexuals and cross dressers can now serve


13 posted on 10/24/2012 10:25:47 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: QT3.14

When I was assigned to OCS 30 years ago there was a major problem with trying to fairly include the women officer candidates (WOC’s) into the overall evaluations of the candidates. Back then, I believe we only had one OCC per year with women (other than the summer programs.)

The WOC’s were in a separate platoon within a candidate company. They did not participate in all of the same physical training as the men such as the obstacle course, pull ups, 3 mile run. They also didn’t have the same objective evaluations due to differences in the field exercise evaluations. So when it came to determining the top grads in the class, it became very difficult to compare apples to apples.

As I remember it (dimly) there were 3 categories of evaluations used to determine class rank: leadership, physical fitness & academic.

Women’s evaluations were always a problem while trying to keep them somewhat in line with the men’s scores. How would it have looked if the top 5 grads of a company had all been women due to them performing so well because they had easier testing requirements on some of the separate but unequal events?

Apparently this is not the case when all Marines are tested equally as in the infantry officer course.

So what are they to do, be politically correct and lower the standards for everyone and maybe even bend the rules so the honor graduate is occasionally a woman? I hope and pray that’s not the case!


14 posted on 10/24/2012 10:29:32 AM PDT by Perseverando (Gun control? It's the OBOTS who are filling up prisons for violent crimes, not the Tea Party.)
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To: fishtank

I know that Israel has women in the military. Do you know whether they serve “in combat” or not? I sincerely don’t know.


15 posted on 10/24/2012 10:31:41 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Darth Dan

Not likely. I’ve seen women do a bayonet course. No problem there.

Most likely repetitive upper-body strength portions, like climbing.


16 posted on 10/24/2012 10:39:59 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: QT3.14

They just recently did it for ‘the races’ in the FL schools, and that’s going to work out real well, too, as soon as it becomes national eh-duh-ka-shun policy.


17 posted on 10/24/2012 10:40:42 AM PDT by carriage_hill ("0bummer's a towering figure" - even a Garden Gnome casts a long shadow at sunset.)
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To: Thommas

“...unless, of course, the standard is lowered to that of a 50 year-old couch-potato male.”

Hey!


18 posted on 10/24/2012 10:41:17 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Theo

I believe they do, but their situation is different, considering the entire country is close to the front lines.


19 posted on 10/24/2012 10:41:31 AM PDT by RPTMS
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To: manc

Having 3 brothers close in age and having to fill in the games to make the sides “even”, I would not want me to have to defend the nation unless I was in an Iron Woman suit and had NOT had any high fructose corn syrup. As the saying goes, “A woman’s got to know her limitations.”

Here’s something to lighten the mood since we all know the danger that lowering the standards has placed on our sons and daughters being forced to serve with others who can’t cover their backs.

WE’LL FIGHT TO THE LAST 50-YEAR-OLD !

By: Jeff Ackerman [OPINION Wednesday, October 3, 2001]

A couple of weeks ago I indicated that if I could, I’d enlist today and help my country track down those responsible for killing thousands of innocent people in New York City and Washington, D.C. But I’m 50 now and the Armed Forces says I’m too old to track down terrorists. You can’t be older than 35 to join the Army.

They’ve got the whole thing backwards. Instead of sending 18-year-olds off to the fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn’t be able to join until you’re at least 35-years-old.

For starters: Researchers say 18-year-olds think about sex every 10-seconds. Old guys think about sex every 15-seconds, leaving us more than 28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy. Young guys haven’t lived long enough to be cranky and grumpy. A cranky and grumpy soldier is a dangerous soldier. If we can’t kill the enemy we’ll complain them into submission or surrender. “My back hurts!” “I’m hungry!” “Where’s the remote control?”

An 18-year-old hasn’t had a legal bottle of beer yet, and you shouldn’t go to war until you’re at least old enough to legally drink beer. An average old guy, on the other hand, has probably consumed at least 126,000 gallons of beer by the time he’s 35, and a jaunt through the desert heat with a backpack on and an M-60 over your shoulder would do wonders for a beer belly.

An 18-year-old doesn’t like to get up before 10 a.m. Old guys get up early just to show we can [and to steal the neighbors newspaper.] If old guys got captured we couldn’t spill the beans because we’d probably forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank and serial number would be a real brain teaser. If it wasn’t for the age barrier, I’d pretty much be able to get into the Army without a hitch. According to the Army Internet site, I’d need to pass an entrance exam [officially called an ASVAB], but the simple questions I saw weren’t exactly headache material. For example:

A magnet will attract:

(a) water
(b) a flower
© a cloth rag
(d) a nail

I took a wild stab at it and guessed, “nail,” knowing they’d probably stick me in some desk job with Army Intelligence after Boot Camp.

If 12 workers are needed to run 4 machines, how many workers are needed to run 20 machines?

(a) 16
(b) 18
© 3
(d) 60

Well, let’s see now…..three workers per machine times 20 machines….err….60?

Finally, they wanted to know if I had command of the English language, just in case I had to describe an enemy camp from memory.

Now you know where the first questions come from for the “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire” game show. Boot Camp would actually be easier for old guys.

We’re used to getting screamed and yelled at, and we actually like soft food. We’ve also developed a deep appreciation for guns and rifles. We like them almost better than naps. The Army could lighten up on the obstacle course, however. I’ve been to the desert and didn’t see a single 20-foot wall with a rope hanging over the side. I can hear the Drill Sergeant now. “Get down and give me…..er…..one !” And the running part seems to be a hell of a waste of good energy. I’ve never seen anyone outrun a bullet. I’m reminded of the story of the young bull and the old bull standing on a hill looking down at the cows. “Let’s run down there and make love to one of those cows,” says the young bull. “How about we WALK down there and! make love to ALL those cows,” replies the old bull.

Patience is something most 18-year-olds simply do not have. For good reason too. An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him. He’s still learning to shave. To actually carry on a conversation. To learn that a pierced tongue catches food particles. And that a 200-watt speaker in the back seat of a Honda Accord can rupture an eardrum.

All great reasons to keep our sons at home to learn a little more about life before sending them off to a possible death.

Let us old guys track down those dirty, rotten, filthy, cowards who attacked our country three weeks ago today.

The last thing they’d want to see right now would be a couple of million old guys with attitudes !

-— Jeff Ackerman is editor and publisher of the Nevada Appeal.


20 posted on 10/24/2012 10:42:54 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Theo

Not in combat units since the very early days, when IIRC a few did.
Now they are in support roles, though also IIRC these could be pretty close to the frontline.


21 posted on 10/24/2012 10:43:29 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: QT3.14

doesn’t matter to me if they passed at twice the rate of men and with twice as good a score...are they required to sign up for the draft? why not?

until they can be drafted, they’ll never be “equal”.
“equal” presumes equal responsabilities.


22 posted on 10/24/2012 11:05:49 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: QT3.14

Men and women are different, and only idiots pretend otherwise. Putting men and women together in combat endangers the men in more ways than one.

23 posted on 10/24/2012 11:07:06 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: TurboZamboni
“equal” presumes equal responsabilities.

Women's lib 101 - Equal when they want to be, special when they want to be. They get to choose.

24 posted on 10/24/2012 11:13:34 AM PDT by Bob
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To: QT3.14

“The two female lieutenants failed to complete the combat endurance test portion of the program, as did 26 male Marines.”

Right. Some males failed, but ALL THE WOMEN FAILED. Not just any women, women specially selected as most likely to pass.


25 posted on 10/24/2012 11:22:09 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (We won't stand for biased umps fixing a ball game but we allow a biased media to fix elections.)
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To: Theo

Israel has their women doing non combat functions. The 121st Intel watched The Fence. The girls say the guys don’t have the attention span to do it.


26 posted on 10/24/2012 11:25:48 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: buwaya

The bayonet class has always been at the top of complaints from females, and in the real world we all know why.

Given the choice of facing a real hand to hand struggle to the death in a bayonet fight, any human would rather face a female unit instead of a male unit.


27 posted on 10/24/2012 11:27:29 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: Theo
I know that Israel has women in the military. Do you know whether they serve “in combat” or not? I sincerely don’t know.

Well, there was that article posted here a week or two ago where the young woman in the IDF platoon hid behind a bush until the shooting was over (incident at the Egyptian border)...

Based on that the answer to "serving in combat" would be "inconclusive."

28 posted on 10/24/2012 11:27:56 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: QT3.14
I sure wish somebody would inject reality into this stuff: infantry combat is brutal, direct face-to-face murder and no place for ladies or weak men.

Nothing has changed. Even though the different interest groups would like to "break through all barriers", this isn't one that they should come near. War is killing, nothing more, nothing less.

29 posted on 10/24/2012 11:34:58 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: TurboZamboni

The left is against the draft, but if one comes, they would LOVE to see females drafted.

The left switched strategy about 30 years ago to get as many females and homosexuals, etc into the military as possible.

The goal is to make the military at least 50/50 female.

The big picture is to turn the military into a well paid, high benefits government career (unionized) of day care, and social works, and a democrat voting block, and destroy the last conservative male fortress contaminating the federal government.


30 posted on 10/24/2012 11:38:21 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: QT3.14

Women have no business in combat. This is just PC nonsense.


31 posted on 10/24/2012 11:43:20 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fwdude
This is the case everywhere, in sports (golf) and employment - lower the bar to make it unfair to men.

Golf? Huh?

32 posted on 10/24/2012 11:56:55 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: QT3.14

Now they will lower the standards of course


33 posted on 10/24/2012 12:09:27 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: fishtank

bump


34 posted on 10/24/2012 12:09:46 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Yep.

It’s obviously a sexist course.


35 posted on 10/24/2012 12:55:35 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

There was a woman who sued to play in a PGA tournament for men and won the chance through a court order. She got a substantial handicap in teeing off (but lost, thankfully.)


36 posted on 10/24/2012 1:15:47 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude
I follow the PGA quite closely and am completely unfamiliar with the unsupported claim you're making. How about a name or tournament or date or any specifics at all?

Your general point gets undermined if the specifics you cite as support turn out to be untrue.

37 posted on 10/24/2012 1:45:07 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: manc
commando’s

int eh

the run is down in sneakers

I remember it were a joke

then shoudl

about how she faeld

Were you chaptered from the military for being illiterate?

38 posted on 10/24/2012 2:36:56 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Thommas

“I want to try to open up a door, maybe, for women after me. I don’t know how far it will open, but I’m hoping to make a difference for women down the road.”

That’s the wrong reason to enter the program. The right reason is because you want to be a Marine Infantry Officer and are prepared to serve in that role.


39 posted on 10/24/2012 3:03:30 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: QT3.14

Respect them for making the effort. But DO NOT CHANGE THE STANDARDS! 26 men failed, too.


40 posted on 10/24/2012 3:30:58 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: PLMerite

“...unless, of course, the standard is lowered to that of a 50 year-old couch-potato male.”

(edited) Hey! I represent that remark!

;^)


41 posted on 10/24/2012 3:34:51 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Golf? Huh?

Ladies' tee.

42 posted on 10/24/2012 3:40:20 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
Ladies' tee.

That's not what he was asserting. See his post #36.

43 posted on 10/24/2012 3:46:47 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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