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Could Harry Reid Become VP Under Romney? (Here's the unthinkable scenario)
American Thinker ^ | 10/26/2012 | Brian K. Shoemake

Posted on 10/26/2012 5:41:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Is it possible that Harry Reid could end up as vice president in a Romney Administration?

Yes it is, and here's how it could happen.

In order to win the presidency, a candidate must win a simple majority of the 538 available electorate college votes, which amounts to a minimum of 270 or more.

Since 538 is divisible by 2, that means that there could be a tie if each candidate should happen to win 269 votes.

In the unlikely scenario that there is a split decision in the electoral college, the constitutional solution would be the following:

The House of Representatives would nominate and vote to determine the winner of the office of the presidency. Since the House is controlled by the Republicans it's a foregone conclusion that Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate, would become our next president.

On the VP side, the Senate would make the selection. Nominations would take place and the full Senate would then vote to determine who the next vice president would be.

Since the Senate is controlled by the Democrats, it's certain that a Democrat would be nominated and selected to serve as VP in the new Romney administration. But, it's not certain that the senate would necessarily nominate and select Joe Biden for the VP slot. The Senate could essentially nominate anyone they choose. As the Senate majority leader, it's very possible that Harry Reid could submit himself as the nominee for the senate to vote on.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: harryreid; romney; vp

1 posted on 10/26/2012 5:41:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve already read this article and it’s stupid. The senate could only choose from the list of people submitted to the congress by the electoral college. It can’t just choose whoever it wants.


2 posted on 10/26/2012 5:43:03 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

This would be assuming the Senate remains in the hands of Dems.


3 posted on 10/26/2012 5:44:16 AM PDT by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

You know, this has been brought up other times, and it just isn’t going to happen. So, no worries.


4 posted on 10/26/2012 5:44:28 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: SeekAndFind

“The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President” - 12th Amendment


5 posted on 10/26/2012 5:44:41 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Perdogg

It annoys me that the idiots who write articles like this don’t bother to read the Constitution.


6 posted on 10/26/2012 5:46:03 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: SeekAndFind

Nonsense! Ridiculous mental masturbation.


7 posted on 10/26/2012 5:47:44 AM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: cotton1706

People also have to remember that the VeePee is not technically part of executive branch.


8 posted on 10/26/2012 5:51:47 AM PDT by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Your suggestion is giving me indigestion so early in the morning, and I haven’t even had breakfast yet!


9 posted on 10/26/2012 5:55:11 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SeekAndFind

Hillary will become VP.

It was the whole idea all along, the election is rigged to be a tie.


10 posted on 10/26/2012 5:55:11 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: SeekAndFind

BS


11 posted on 10/26/2012 5:55:57 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SeekAndFind
If Biden was selected as VP in a Romney administration he would simply freeze him out of everything and make him a ceremonial ribbon cutter.
12 posted on 10/26/2012 6:00:05 AM PDT by oldbrowser (An empty chair attracts a stadium full of empty chairs.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It WOULD be wonderful to watch Romney torment Reid for four years...


13 posted on 10/26/2012 6:01:20 AM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Perdogg
This would be assuming the Senate remains in the hands of Dems.

I think it's the outgoing Senate body that chooses.

14 posted on 10/26/2012 6:01:20 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Who cares?

The VP has as much or as little power as the President gives him.

Case closed.

15 posted on 10/26/2012 6:02:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Ambassadorship to Lybia for Harry.


16 posted on 10/26/2012 6:09:11 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: oldbrowser
If Biden was selected as VP in a Romney administration he would simply freeze him out of everything and make him a ceremonial ribbon cutter.

So, no change, then.

17 posted on 10/26/2012 6:13:10 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: pabianice
Yes, Romney could send Reid on 4 years of diplomatic missions in every lil craphole nation in Africa.

Let him spend the full 4 years in mud huts eating bush meat.

18 posted on 10/26/2012 6:17:22 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: SeekAndFind
This article is the "Hey Father" Routine that George Carlin used to do about eating a Hamburg @ 11:59 pm as you cross the International Dateline during Lent and the Ship goes down and do you go to Hell, Of the Constitution....

Paahhhlleaassse what a waiste of bandwidth....

19 posted on 10/26/2012 6:21:32 AM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"The VP has as much or as little power as the President gives him. "

Yep, and I suggest that Romney use Reid to his full potential and appoint him as Czar of Urinal Mints.

20 posted on 10/26/2012 6:23:43 AM PDT by Infralutheran
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To: cotton1706
“The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President”

But it's not a simple vote, right? Each state gets 1 vote, not 1 per representative. A numerical advantage in representatives might not matter then. For example in states like my own state of NJ its obvious the result will be a vote for the democrat. And in Alabama you'll get a vote for the Republican. But in states where there are a more even mix of parties could end up voting democrat. Also some states have very few representatives but since all states get a single vote, they get a much higher influence on the outcome than usual. Think Maine, for example, which has only two congressional districts; in a simple vote they are 2 votes 535 but in this scenario they are 1 vote out of 50.

I haven't done the analysis to see how many such states exist but if it's enough the vote in congress could still go to Obama.

21 posted on 10/26/2012 6:31:55 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Infralutheran
Yep, and I suggest that Romney use Reid to his full potential and appoint him as Czar of Urinal Mints.

Reid is unqualified for that role.

22 posted on 10/26/2012 6:32:41 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Benghazi murders due to spontaneous riot over a video. Or terrorism. Depends on the day.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I think it's the outgoing Senate body that chooses

Actually, the new Senators are sworn in on January 3, 2013 and the Special Joint Session to enumerate and approve the Electoral College votes follows.

What is true is that, should the choice of a VP fall to the Senate, that President of the Senate Biden would preside until noon on January 20, at which time his tenure in office would end. He could in fact break a 50-50 tie by voting for himself, presuming that Republicans are +3 in January and all Senators from each party stay faithful.

It is very difficult to envision a deadlocked Senate since they are limited by the Constitution to two and only two candidates, and the President of the Senate is there to break ties.

This is unlike the House Presidential election, where there may be three candidates (presuming three persons receive at least one electoral vote), so that a deadlock would be possible.

This is one of those amazing things about the authors of the Constitution - they thought of everything! Yes, the House could be deadlocked, so they limited the Senate to two choices and an odd number of voting members, so that if no President were chosen, there would always be a legal Vice President able to serve.

23 posted on 10/26/2012 6:33:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No officeholder would get anywhere NEAR Capitol Hill for months on end due to inner city massive riots.


24 posted on 10/26/2012 6:37:45 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Donate, & walk precincts, not for "Parties", but for individual, principled "Candidates" (& for FR)
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To: pepsi_junkie

In the House, for the vote for President, each state would have only one vote, so the individual delegations would have to decide how they would vote. And the vote would keep going until some candiate got twenty six votes.

In the senate, for the vote for Vice-President, each senator would have a vote, and since there would be only two candidates to choose from (the top two candidates reported to the congress by the electoral college), the vote in the senate would likely be quick.


25 posted on 10/26/2012 6:39:43 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: SeekAndFind
So what? The POTUS just tells him to go solve some unsolvable problem on the African Continent and don't return for four years.
26 posted on 10/26/2012 6:46:23 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: SeekAndFind
LOL. Obama will get 253 electoral votes.
27 posted on 10/26/2012 6:54:25 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: cotton1706

Cotton, could you provide me with the information that states the House voting continues until a candidate gets 26 votes? I ask because I heard on the radio a couple of days ago that if the House vote ended in a 25-25 tie, that then the Senate vote for V.P. would become POTUS.

So, the scenario on the radio was that Romney could win the popular vote, tie in the College, tie in the House vote, and lose to a Senate vote for Biden as VP, who would then be sworn in as POTUS.

Thanks for the info, as I find the EC extremely interesting.


28 posted on 10/26/2012 6:56:56 AM PDT by Brent Calvert 03969-030
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To: Brent Calvert 03969-030

The House would have to continue to vote until somebody has a majority. If the House did not choose a president by January 20th then the vice-president chosen by the electoral college (or the senate) would become acting president until the House gets to a majority. So the VP would become president but it would not be a permanent position. Essentially what this means is that the executive power of the people must be vested in somebody, and it would be vested in the VP until a president would have been chosen. If the senate is likewise deadlocked in the the choice of VP, then the executive power would pass temporarily to the Speaker of the House, then the Senate President pro Tempore, etc, under the law.

The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. - 12th Amendment


29 posted on 10/26/2012 7:07:11 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Brent Calvert 03969-030

If you want to read more about what happened in these situations in real life, read about the elections of 1800, 1824, and 1876, when the House had to choose the president. 1876 especially was an electoral mess and was brought up in the 2000 election fiasco.


30 posted on 10/26/2012 7:14:01 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

We have a massive advantage in States. The Dem’s EV’s come from a small number of states.


31 posted on 10/26/2012 7:14:07 AM PDT by RainMan (After 4 years of Hope and Change America needs a little R&R)
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To: SeekAndFind

Could Harry Reid Become VP Under Romney?

That will never happen. It’s going to be a blow out for Romney/Ryan.

Congress will still need to grow some balls, to stop the Kenyans Executive order rampage, between the election and packing time.

Hopefully all of “O’s” Executive orders will be reversed by Romney on Jan. 21. All 953 of them.


32 posted on 10/26/2012 7:22:47 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: cotton1706

Yes, this is highly improbably especially since Mitt will likely get between 308 and 330 electoral votes. I think Paul Ryan as VP is a safe bet.


33 posted on 10/26/2012 8:00:57 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: cotton1706

The members of the Electoral College will know going in the expected result, and enormous pressure will be put on individual electors to switch. If all hold to their party, would not be surprised if the D’s play a new game - all their electors swap the P and VP roles so Obama is their VP choice, thus the winner of the VP slot if the new Congress is controlled by the Democrats (including with Biden presiding over a 50-50 split).

Life could be very interesting - all the more reason to work our hardest to make sure it’s not even close.


34 posted on 10/26/2012 8:36:32 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: Beagle8U
Yes, Romney could send Reid on 4 years of diplomatic missions in every lil craphole nation in Africa. Let him spend the full 4 years in mud huts eating bush meat.

Romney would never do that to a fellow elite, a temple Mormon, and a man who is on his way to becoming a God. Doing that to Reid could prevent Mitt from ever becoming a God.

35 posted on 10/26/2012 1:01:52 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: ansel12

So, how does that also cut the other way? Specifically Reid’s accusation that he had a secret inside source at Bain who told him Romney hadn’t been paying taxes?

Does that mean that Reid is no longer god-tracked?


36 posted on 10/26/2012 1:10:47 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

I’m sure that they can disagree in business and do politics, but I don’t think that they could commit themselves to pursuing such a committed, years long, and hostile course of humiliation and degradation, towards a fellow Temple Recommend subordinate, as a government official, or probably in any other situation.


37 posted on 10/26/2012 1:42:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: Eye of Unk
"It was the whole idea all along, the election is rigged to be a tie." Rigged?

Well, there has sure been a lot of press about this happening.

Even The Great One, Mark Levin, talked about this yesterday (I think yesterday). He talked pretty extensively about this.

Why so much talk about this happening. Preparing us for the rig?

38 posted on 10/26/2012 2:21:59 PM PDT by hummingbird (Lather, Rinse........BUT DO NOT REPEAT - REPEAT IS A WASTE - A SCAM!)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
"Yep, and I suggest that Romney use Reid to his full potential and appoint him as Czar of Urinal Mints.

Reid is unqualified for that role."

HA, HA! True that!

39 posted on 10/26/2012 2:26:24 PM PDT by hummingbird (Lather, Rinse........BUT DO NOT REPEAT - REPEAT IS A WASTE - A SCAM!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Technically possible. Just like it’s technically possible that you could have different people win the popular and electoral vote. But there’s only ever been three presidents that won the electoral vote without a popular-vote lead, Hayes, Benjamin Harrison and Dubya. There’s only been two presidents that got elected by the House, Jefferson and John Quincy Adams, and Adams is the only one under the current law, the Twelfth Amendment. And there’s only one vice president that got elected by the Senate, Richard Johnson, Martin Van Buren’s running mate in 1836. So technically possible, but very, very rare. If you’re really that worried about it, get out and help win.


40 posted on 10/26/2012 2:49:37 PM PDT by RichInOC (Romney/Ryan 2012: Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn. For Everybody Else, There's Us.)
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