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Posted on 10/30/2012 4:42:33 AM PDT by Kartographer
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It’s called “disaster porn”. The Media pushes it, the Sheep lap it up, and need a cigarette afterwards...
I think he means extraordinary damage not expected from a Cat 1 hurricane and resultant flooding
The Oceans will begin to recede!
The fact that lemmings continue to pile around various urban centers created by accidents of history driving up the price of land makes the land cost more FRNs and by extention makes them more valuable than you.
We must all stop our lives, comiserate in their unpreparedness and dependence, and lobby our representatives for increased taxes to protect them. Until you learn that lesson you are hereby tossed from the Republican party.
-insert childish picture of flying cat here-
(Total non-event. Dont get angry at the ignorant replies you are getting. Feel pity for them, they really are that clueless)
Yup. Everyone busts my chops for being a prepper, not laughing now are they?
Exactly. Which is why this election is not just ABO, but Pop. The. Bubble.
“Sandy itself was at max a Cat 1 storm.”
So was Agnes. Look it up. You won’t get many storms worse than that. Permanent changes all around.
Cat refers ONLY to “wind speed”. It ain’t all about wind speed.
“The other weather events that ties into it produced the more widespread problems.”
No. I am in central MD, and luckily while what I saw coming looked like an Agnes set-up, we have hardly had much problem here. It’s over, unless PA is getting pounded and it runs down here late. Last year’s Irene/Lee was more problem for us than this. However, the most affected areas seem to be ON THE COAST - i.e., the hurricane had the most effect. The “other” event is apparently just now merging with Sandy and producing some problems way out west. Not sure how devastating they are yet. It’s certainly weird.
That simplistic naval-gazing sophistry wasn't always the way it was. Until the 90s when the nets pulled their bureaus out of places like Chicago and Houston. F the MSM.
You might want to do a little research before making that dumb of a statement. One of the offenders is in Sandy now.
I repeat, I never heard anyone in my town say that the media coverage of the Colorado fires was overblown. If you have evidence to the contrary, document it.
No; they saved their scorn for New Orleans.
People still clinging to their narrative don't get, or do not want to get, the city's unique challenges in Katrina, resulting from unique geographic elements, but mostly from the culpable failure of federal flood control structures.
The eastern seabord is having a rough week and I am very sorry for the deaths and lost homes. I hope we'll be done for a while with nasty queries about why "you people" perversely choose to live in a place so manifestly unfit for human habitation, recklessly ignoring the helpful advice of government, etc.
‘Around here’ is your town now? Are you posting to MyTownRepublic.com? Posting around here on FR means FR. Plenty of it went on.
Hope you are being sarcastic. New York City has the most expensive housing in the US.
In my original post, to which your original comment was directed, I was describing what was happening locally. I was not describing FreeRepublic as flooded, as having suffered billions in damages, etc. That should have been quite clear from context.
Semis, tractor trailers & all other sort of vehicles tipped over in those winds.
I'm not trying to diminish what-so-ever what is happening on the east coast with Sandy, but you are correct, high winds are "normal" out here and seldom reported anywhere other than locally.
So did most of Manhattan. That's unusual for such an over-hyped storm.
We're good here on FR, but we haven't got the entire internet captured to this site (yet), so of course a lot of folks were uninformed.
No, the National Hurricane Center did not do their jobs this week. I have three reasons why:
1. Extremely slow to embrace the better storm models. Their model of usual choice is the GFS weather model. There are known problems with it that came heavily into play here, and thus its output should have been discounted heavily last week.
2. Continued to report this storm as a Category 1 hurricane. Failed to highlight the significance of the storm size. Failed to highlight the storm surge issues with storm size + angle of approach. Failed to mention the significance of the extremely low pressure readings.
3. Whiffed completely on the acceleration of Sandy to the coast... which reduced "little time to prepare" to "no time to prepare". Especially considering that people tend to ignore news on a weekend.
Loss of life cannot be avoided here, but I would put a lot of these deaths on the NHC for doing a terrible job on Sandy. They MUST recognize the model problems and they MUST develop a different hurricane scaling system for reporting the danger that each storm poses.
Example: Andrew was a high 4/low Cat 5 storm - yet it impacted a VERY narrow area in south Florida... you could almost call it a huge tornado by comparison to Sandy. I was 200 miles up the coast and hardly had more than a stiff breeze out of it. On that scale, Sandy was a moderate Cat 1, but obviously was a lot worse overall.
I submit that a better measure of storm potential (and Joe Bastardi uses such a scale for his own forecasts, btw) would better alert the public... which is ultimately the NHC's job. [/rant]
I have not seen that but I think those of us who have survived truly destructive hurricanes watch with some amusement as the NY-DC media describe a mild hurricane/tropical late season storm as Stormzilla and the Apocalypse when it's really not about this being much of a storm but rather where it is hitting...which is admittedly a factor.
And yes indeed I do think that liberals are much much more likely to feel it's all about them and to whine at the slightest inconvenience...versus the stoicism of conservatives...that is part of what separates us from them.
Then there is the media that hypes this up to sell ad space....FOX being truly obnoxious.
This is a large mass but mild late season tropical storm which will cause flooding and worst of all power outtages and some infrastructural damage and very little loss of life
Major destructive storms are very rare above Hatteras...I can only think of (2) Cat 4 or better past 90-100 years...1938 and Hazel
and thank God for that...the population concentrations are an issue as is nowadays the demographic issues and lawlessness.
fortunately aside from a few barrier island low spots, shore relief up north is fairly sharp..which helps
folks are going to be without power for days..maybe a week or more and flooding is yet to determine...surge beat Irene but I think rain will not...which is good.
I do not think folks deserve calamity because they have wrong political views but I do think those folks tend to be less prepared, more afraid in general and dependent on others...not exactly the stock that made us great over the centuries
My daughter is in Park Slope...cell phone working...power on and off..off now i think...they are just holed up with the dogs
She lived through Andrew very close to landfall in South Miami/Old Cutler Road...she knows what a destructive storm is all about as does her daddy who lived through Camille in 1969 as a 12 year old and I am a former Manhattan residence from the 80s
Media hype aside I hope folks get their power back soon, flooding in manageable, snow in Appalachia is not damaging and fewer trees fall on folks regardless of how they vote or think about God etc..
All those in NYC without power should go to Times Square, it’ll be like a New Years Rocking Eve come early. Nanny Bloomberg can bring the unsalted food and birth control.
In hindsight it shouldn’t surprise us that New Welfare City seems to have been wholly unprepared for this. You would think a major on the coast would have long been preparing.
Follow the light.
Too bad Bloomberg has been more concerned about liquid in fast food cups rather than the water that flooded lower Manhattan.
As someone who's been through major hurricanes, this storm was over-hyped. That's not to say it didn't cause damage, but the weather's been causing damage throughout the history of civilization. It's too bad these things have become huge national political events. There are more pressing issues.
I’d also like to see a show of hands among East Coasters and New Yorkers who are pro-Obama but also would like to get the benefits right now, of coal-fired plant generated electricity.
The storm did result in a death in Toronto yesterday so they were probably not including that death.
I am really starting to get angry at alot of these FReepers - everywhere from simply dismissive to flippant and derisive, and cruel.
I saw some really obnoxious posts pre-storm from a few particular people who keep heaping it on. But now I’m also seeing add-ons from people simply dismissing anything that’s happened.
I’m tired of people crying about how “we’re ignored” (total BS - we heard about Katrina for a week before it hit; and we know about the super events in the midwest), and even more childishly bratty:
“our storm is better than your storm!”
OOOOOooooo, is this making me mad!
I’m finding it hard to now be rational and put down my genuine observations as someone who actually was concerned for once about a TS/hur heading this way.
The very phrase should give everyone a clue.
Whether Katrina, or Sandy, or a major Tsunami in Indonesia that kills 250,000 in a day...you simply can only do your best, wait it out, and then work with the survivors to rebuild and help as best you can.
If folks will do that, and leave the politics out of it while the disaster is approaching, occurring, and as we clean up after...there will be plenty of time to analyze what went wrong afterwards. Then, if there is a major problem, you point it out and fix it.
My original point was simply to indicate out how the MSM handled Katrina, blaming Bush for every conceivable thing, when no one could have been fully prepared for that type of event. Just like this one.
substitute Sandy in for each reference of "KAtrina" and you are good to go.
Madame, I thank you.
See my post 130 on this thread.
How did Newark and the Port Elizabeth area fare during the storm?
Besides geography lesson, I can see how devastating it looks.
I can't imagine dealing with the snow. I'm southeast Texas so snow is very rare and melts within the same day it snows - everyone runs outside like "what is that white stuff?"
They say 2 feet in some areas. D-A-N-G!
I agree with you Liberty and I thank you for your support...i have been absolutely disgusted by the things I have read on here from Fellow Freepers...Nasty, ignorant and hateful comments...they would give the people from DU a run for their money...
This is not about the category of the hurricane...whether it was a 1 or a 5 or a Tropical Storm...I wish nobody ill will or feel like they deserved what they got...nor minimize anyone’s situation as ‘it’s just some wind and water’...
The people referenced in this article are the people I grew up with...i grew up in Wood-Ridge NJ which shares a High School with Moonachie. I played sports on the very fields that are underwater and still know people in the area...my friends have lost houses, are trying to get in touch with relatives, and are worried about what they will find when they go back home...
The people making hateful and stupid comments dont get it....it’s not that NY thinks they are better than anyone else, it is that it does not take a Cat 3 or 4 to mess things up...we have 3 major airports shut down affecting the entire country.. LaGuardia will be closed for quite some time....the entire US Financial system is on hold...every business in this country that is listed on the NYSE, AMEX or Nasdaq does not know what its value is today...lower Manahattan is under water, the tunnels were under water...it affected 40 million people....The Jersey shore is wrecked...Boardwalk in AC is severely damaged...The piers in Seaside are destroyed...Casino Pier is gone, Jenks is damaged...home upon home on the barrier islands are damaged...
Many Freepers seem to forget that there are other Freepers living through this and that while our states may not always vote Red, if you want to be purely political, NJ, NY, and PA send a good number of Republicans to Congress that contribute to our overall majority...Governor Christie has been outstanding, but apparently praising President Obama makes him a traitor...what is he supposed to say? Obama is a jerk? Maybe Obama has been helpful...i want him voted out next Tuesday, but to dedicate whole threads to this topic is stupid...Governor Cuomo has been outstanding as well, and while I do not agree with him politically, he has provided solid leadership, as has Mayor Bloomberg....the libs are supposed to be mean and hateful, I thought Freepers were beter than many of the things I’ m reading...
Perhaps the damage to our liberty, no thanks to the decades of our liberty being dismissed, being derided, and our love for our country being flippantly rejected by cruel words uttered incessantly by liberals of New York City in particular, is greater than you estimate.
Adding to losses due to natural disasters, are those heavy losses of what we hold dear: our freedom and pursuits of life, liberty, property, and happiness, and for the duration of the Obama administration, *opportunity* -— you know, the things that liberals keep “working” at taking away from *you.*
You’re asking a lot, of people who would mount up 10 trucks loaded with fuel, electrical generators, food, blankets, chain saws, and some sidearms for personal protection ... then off to NYC and environs, to do what they can to help ... to only find, *cruelly,* that upon their reporting in to a Manhattan fire station, they are all arrested for carrying their .38 revolvers for which they all have concealed carry permits.
Please do not underestimate the weight upon our shoulders, merely by examination of the power of this or that storm system; there is much more involved here, for people who mostly only see trucks from the liberal media, which are breathlessly awaiting a chance to film a disaster west of the Hudson, and the only help from one of such production trucks, is the conservative soul who can while the “talking head” is looking the other way.
I'm just slow on this.
Yes I know, but deniers seem to prevade FR
badly...the full extent is concentrating on NYC...but I just got back from an expedition...*smiles*....all traffic lights are out..(western Morris cty)...gas stations that are open have lines that go hundreds of feet....a lot of people ran out of gas for their generators....pretty messed up....few stores are open...burger king...drive up only....tractor supply..and one seven eleven...malls are dark
...also heard Cristy say those small rail cars you see along the turnpike by the refineries were washed up and close lanes last night on the pike...surge just washed them up there..
Thanks! Was/is there heavy flooding there (Port Newark/Elizabeth) or more wind damage / lost electricity?
Have a good friend with a business just outside the port area, across the tracks North of Newark Airport - I’m sure he is super busy, so haven’t wanted to bother him with a call just yet....
eyep...just copy this 40.848424,-74.051507 and paste it in Google search ...
copy (highlight) so it turns blue...right click select copy when box opens.....now take cursor and place it in search box...right click, hit paste....then click search
See my post 130 on this thread.
I have no idea what you’re talking about or what it really has to do with the storm.
Your apparent rationalizing doesn’t erase the fact that a few people here have been relentlessly dismissive and mocking in their posts. That doesn’t fare well with God, regardless.
Did you all speak this way on 9/11?
I sure as hell didn’t. No matter how full of liberals NYC is.
call him...not many people out unless he’s open....lots of power out all over..
OBAMA LET THIS HAPPEN BECAUSE HE HATES WHITE PEOPLE!
...if there area normally floods after heavy rain....it’s under water now...
Whaddya talkin' about? He got to order that cool putting green off of the SkyMall catalog on Air Force One (with his platinum government credit card, natch)! If they didn't make him fly back to DC, he might have missed out on it!
But, ask about our humidity! It is so bad that you can shower, dry, go outside and get instantly hit with the heat/humidity and sweat profusely. ("It's not the heat, it's the humidity".
I have been running the A/C continuously since last week. I will probably be wearing t-shirts/shorts (maybe a sweater) until after Christmas or at most on New Year's celebrations.
I've heard of Jersey Shores - Weather Channel showing flooding - ruined first floors. What a mess.
If you are still LOLing, tell me about the “big duck hunting incident”!
Trying to take a balanced approach. Of course, there’s skeptics here. Being a political site, and not a site for weather experts, and strongly skeptical of Obama’s “don’t let a crisis go to waste” regime, it is to be expected. On the one hand, I sympathize with those in the path of Sandy, on the other, I sympathize with these skeptic FReepers, even if some of them get a bit insensitive.
To blame these FReepers, I think is ti blame the wrong people, blame the “don’t let a crisis go to wasters.” This Marxist regime is the root cause of all this hate and discontent. I didn’t think any politico could top Bill Clinton’s lies, this regime is worse.