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America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers
Fox News ^ | Published July 12, 2012 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 11/07/2012 3:51:00 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

Abe Lincoln used those words in 1858 to describe a country that was careening toward civil war. Now we’re a house divided again and another civil war is coming, with the 2012 election as its Gettysburg.

Call it America’s coming civil war between the Makers and the Takers.

On one side are those who create wealth, America’s private sector–the very ones targeted by President Obama’s tax hikes announced Monday.

On the other are the public employee unions; left-leaning intelligentsia who see the growth of government as index of progress; and the millions of Americans now dependent on government through a growing network of government transfer payments, from Medicaid and Social Security to college loans and corporate bailouts and handouts (think GM and Solyndra).

Over the past century America’s private sector has been the source of productivity, innovation, creativity, and growth–and gave us the iPhone and iPad. The public sector has been the engine of entitlement, stagnation, and decline -- and gave us Detroit and the South Bronx.

The private sector built the strongest economy in the world. It armed the free world in World War Two, and then in the three decades after the war turned America into the most prosperous society history had ever seen. It revived America in the Reagan and Clinton years, and thanks to the Bush tax cuts brought this country back from economic collapse after 9/11.

In those same years a growing public sector, by contrast, turned Europe into a cesspool of debt, stalled economies, and chronic social dysfunction that’s set the streets of Athens -- and perhaps other European capitals--on fire.

That’s where we’re headed, too, more rapidly than we like to think.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; civilwar; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats; govtabuse; liberalfascism; liberalism; liberals; obama; obamavoters; progressives; shtf; socialism; socialistdemocrats; tyranny; waronliberty; welfarestate
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To: Travis McGee

You’ll notice the corporate offices which house many liberals are the blue counties in Colorado while the food production in Colorado are the red counties. I live a solid red county; good beef here, too!


201 posted on 11/11/2012 7:15:58 PM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: CodeToad

People better start thinking about where there food will come from if the status quo is demolished.


202 posted on 11/11/2012 7:25:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Many have, the preppers. Many have not, the suckers. “Oh, the government (whoever the Hell that is) won’t let us starve. Get real. Somebody will keep the lights on and things going. Gosh. Don’t be an alarmist.”

No one in government has the job title of “Keeper Of Lights On”, or “Manager of No Starving People”. When things crash everyone jumps ship. No one shows up for work. They have their own families to keep alive. Some will try to keep water flowing or sewage pumping but when power cuts out they can only go home, too.


203 posted on 11/11/2012 7:34:55 PM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Travis McGee

If you gave the average New York City or Beltway resident ten acres of cropland and the correct seeds, equipment, fertilizers, pesticides, etc..., how many of them would be capable of raising enough food to sustain themselves and how many would end up starving to death?


204 posted on 11/11/2012 7:55:49 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ( "I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: God luvs America
I’ve said this for the longest time...

whenever anyone says the next civil war will be the haves versus the have nots i tell them BS- its going to be those that do (take responsibility for themselves) versus those who won’t (take responsibility for themselves)...

I recommend Tom Chittum's book on the subject "Civil War II". He lived in Yugoslavia when it came apart, and it made him do some serious research on what causes countries to go into civil war. One of his predictions is that if civil war breaks out in will inevitably turn into fighting along ethnic lines. (Kinda like voting...only more so.) I can't duplicate his reasoning here, but it's pretty compelling and worth the time to read.

He provides a checklist of things that indicate we are on our way to civil war. The book was published over a decade ago, and every day more of the stuff on the checklist shows up in the news.


205 posted on 11/11/2012 7:56:46 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The states should secede


206 posted on 11/11/2012 7:58:56 PM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Travis McGee
That is when the sanctimonious masses in the liberal enclaves will attempt to sieze grain stocks (and seed grain) in flyover country, and try to treat us like Stalin treated the Ukraine.

After all, they will think they deserve it.

If that happens, we will fight, we may die, but the takers will have to work for what they get.

They will not get it all, either.

207 posted on 11/11/2012 8:25:32 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Ajnin
Modern day America is balkanized into incoherent areas of influence. There isn’t even widespread support for closing the border let alone defending real American values in a civil war.

I used to think that, but I've been reading this neo-confederate blog Occidental Dissent and he's done a great job of convincing me that (most of) the South is pretty coherent. There are a few states that are wobbling. Florida, with the influx of Northern retirees, and Virgina with the DC infestation. But in the south the GOP controls both houses and the Governorship in all 11 states of the Old Confederacy. Despite states like Mississippi and Alabama having 33% black voters these states still went for Romney in the election, because Whites vote as a block. 89% went for Romney in Mississippi.

The South is not incoherent. As the author of the blog has pointed out: the South has opposed Obama in both elections, opposed every other liberal POTUS candidate for a generation, doesn't support gay marraige or the gay military, loves the military and sends her sons to fight in our wars, had to have much of the destructive Great Society pushed down their throats by Northerners and hasn't agreed to most of the drift leftward of the last 40 years: it has been forced on them, occasionally at bayonet point.

208 posted on 11/11/2012 8:26:08 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Siegfried X
Are there jury trials for income tax evasion?

I'm not an expert, but I don' think there are. I think it's civil law, or some other special tax law. I think this is something that angers hard core anti-tax people.

209 posted on 11/11/2012 8:29:33 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Travis McGee

I love that map! Another great graphic Travis. Can you repost some of the Aztlan ones in this thread?


210 posted on 11/11/2012 8:59:55 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
We’ll spread the idea of secession through the public schools and media we control.

There are significant numbers of 'kids' who know what they are hearing and seeing in the public schools is BS. Why do you think they cop an attitude? All the namby-pamby crap they have been fed just fuels their disgust for the lies and fables they have been fed. Of these some decide to get whatever they can, however they can. They 'play' the counselors, learn all the buzzwords and the 'right' thing to say, feed the BS back, and then do whatever.

An amazing number of them are already in rebellion, but they need guidance.

They need someone who won't feed them a line of crap, demean them for doing the stuff kids do to try to establish some sort of collective identity, setting themselves apart from the people who are feeding them a line of crap.

The socialists have tapped into that on one end, and are the ones feeding the crap on the other.

Ignore, for a moment, their appearance, watch their actions, and see which ones might listen. Treat them just like any other person--ignore the act, and you might win through. Mentor them, if they are willing.

Get a kid's head wrapped around the ideas of freedom, the alternate rebellion, and you are halfway to winning another young mind for Liberty.

211 posted on 11/11/2012 9:10:55 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: doorgunner69
I don't know what the USMC does with the disproportionate problems blacks always bring with them. The Army and USAF have treated blacks as a de facto ‘protected class’ for many decades. Blacks flaunt rules all the time that would get a white man's career ended. Black women in uniform (i refuse to refer to them as soldiers) are frequently obviously over weight and in violation of grooming standards due to both sloppy wear of the uniform (well before every one wore BDUs all the time) and various weird hair styles. This is all going to be child's play compared to dealing with more and more aggressive queers in uniform and the foul behaviors they bring with them. Increasingly many barracks will resemble a prison due to the behavior of the personnel. Homosexual gang rapes will really help morale and unit cohesion.
212 posted on 11/11/2012 10:08:42 PM PST by robowombat
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To: MinorityRepublican; Travis McGee

Very DAREing

Tone round here

Im down with it


213 posted on 11/11/2012 10:32:48 PM PST by wardaddy (i want Santa to make Quentin Tarantini a negro for Christmas)
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To: archy; Travis McGee; Jack Black

Rare to see all three Keepers of the List on the same thread.

Not good.


214 posted on 11/12/2012 2:15:25 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Jack Black

Which Aztlan photos? Like these?

http://matthewbracken.site.aplus.net/bookde.htm


215 posted on 11/12/2012 5:16:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Jack Black; wardaddy

I agree with 208.

Just chop FL off below Gainesville; the northern tier of FL is solidly part of The South.


216 posted on 11/12/2012 5:18:22 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Ajnin

I agree. We need to knock off all this sour grapes nonsense. I still believe that conservatism is the best hope of our country, and I always will, but let’s be realistic. We lost an election. Ok, it’s happened before, and will happen again. The same can be said of he libs. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. The thing for us to do is show that we are serious adults by picking ourselves up, dusting ourselves off, and getting back to work.

We also need to stop hyterically attacking the other side as being nothing but “Takers” and treating them with contempt. That is no way to get the support of the people. A lot of liberals are already calling us the “Blame Americans first” crowd. Not good. I’m not any happier about he election results than anyone else on the right, but we have to deal with it. We have to remind people that WE are the real patriots in America. We can’t do that by talking about revolution, succession, and all that other nonsense.


217 posted on 11/12/2012 5:35:32 AM PST by JCS658
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To: God luvs America; All

Interesting position...I see where you are going with it...

The only problem is those that do not take responsibility for themselves can’t fight us in a conventional sense...

Their folks that take up arms against us will be the Federal government forces that may or may not be totally for that direction, therefore there won’t be any real fighting to take place in my opinion...

Sure, they’ll target a few areas that are a sure thing for them to win a decisive battle with...And the media will call it a victory and the war will be over...blah blah blah...

Some of us within earshot are a bit more clever than this...And the opposition are not anywhere near ready for those kind of folks...


218 posted on 11/12/2012 6:42:46 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Just a suggestion for people who disagree with each other:

Say, “I disagree...here is what I think...” and then proceed from there.

Much better than, “You idiot!” and “You pussy!” etc...

And here is the best secret weapon of all. Even if the other person calls you an idiot...you don’t have to respond in kind.


219 posted on 11/12/2012 6:58:58 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: liberty or death
My life has taught me people are just stupid and lazy.

That may be the kernel of the problem. Before the gov't safety net, there was a high price for stupidity and laziness: hunger, cold, etc., perhaps even death. Today there is much less a price to be paid. So, if all someone wants is a warm room, meals, and TV, why not be stupid and lazy?

220 posted on 11/12/2012 10:01:21 AM PST by matt1234
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