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WOW: Most Accurate Polls for 2012?
Fox News

Posted on 11/08/2012 3:42:57 PM PST by Toespi

1. PPP 2. DAILYKOS/SEIU/PPP 3. REUTERS

This alone should raise a red flag.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: vanity

1 posted on 11/08/2012 3:43:00 PM PST by Toespi
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To: Toespi

Ya think??


2 posted on 11/08/2012 3:46:50 PM PST by Anti-Hillary (Soon everything in America will be "free", except it's people.)
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To: Toespi

This thing was rigged. All the votes should be verified by the ballots. As Axelrod said, “...it is all baked in.”

This looks too perfect. Computer code generated voting to give a a slight lead to the ‘rats.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 3:47:20 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Toespi
1. Have a link?

2. Red flag of what?

4 posted on 11/08/2012 3:49:06 PM PST by TonyInOhio (I still believe America is worth fighting for.)
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To: Toespi

Just great...


5 posted on 11/08/2012 3:50:12 PM PST by therightliveswithus
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To: TonyInOhio

Fox News, Bret Baier. The #2 most accurate was affiliated with SEIU???


6 posted on 11/08/2012 3:50:49 PM PST by Toespi
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To: Toespi

Has Dick Morris been fired yet?


7 posted on 11/08/2012 3:51:13 PM PST by albie
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To: Toespi

Trumka promised this election to O and he delivered.


8 posted on 11/08/2012 3:51:25 PM PST by februus
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To: Toespi

I don’t even want to consider the possibility.

Quite frankly, I’m rather tempted to just quit on politics. This kind of stuff is simply at the level of giants wrestling with each other, and a puny mortal like me is just going to get squished gawking at them.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 3:54:54 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: Shadow44

I know how you feel


10 posted on 11/08/2012 3:56:46 PM PST by Jeff Vader
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To: Shadow44

Quit feeding the beast.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 3:58:33 PM PST by Senormechanico
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Ping.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 3:59:45 PM PST by StarFan
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To: Toespi

Real Clear politics polls showed the same thing as did Nate Silver as did Freeper jackmercer did. It is what it is. Want some facts: look at Freeper jackmercer who NAILED the polls right here on FR last week. Methinks old jack was not part of some plot.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 4:06:41 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: Toespi

I was working at the polls Tuesday when a man came through at about 2, or 3, in the afternoon (central time). As he checked in he announced: “It’s all over. Decided. Stock market tanking. Status quo.” My co-worker and I looked at each other open-mouthed. It was WAY too early for any early returns.

But, he was right. ???


14 posted on 11/08/2012 4:07:42 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Toespi

In Virginia we had strong African American, Hispanic and Stupid White turnout. Even my very rural county had a 40% ratio of the defectives, zealots, ignorant, etc. We had plenty of stupid women vote who never vote, and there were almost an equal number of Obama to Romney signs.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 4:11:50 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: I got the rope
This thing was rigged. All the votes should be verified by the ballots. As Axelrod said, “...it is all baked in.”

This looks too perfect. Computer code generated voting to give a a slight lead to the ‘rats.

Oh good grief you sound ridiculous. This is the same idiotic stuff Democrats say when they lose elections.

Not sure if anyone remembers but in 2002 and 2004 the Democrats were convinced that Diebold machines were hacked by GOP operatives. They were so sure of this that they devoted huge amounts of front page space on their liberal sites to these crazy theories. I used to go there and laugh. It is just flat out sad to see folks here doing the same thing.

We lost. Learn from it so we can win next time. Stop blaming it on conspiracy theories, computer code, illegals voting multiple times, etc. This goofiness seems to be an extension of all the "the polls are skewed" nonsense. Just stop it.

16 posted on 11/08/2012 4:11:58 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: I got the rope

“This looks too perfect. Computer code generated voting to give a a slight lead to the ‘rats.”

I agree. The results simply didn’t fit the normal polls—even those which typically over sample in favor of the Democrat presidential candidate. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned more and more that if something just doesn’t make sense, you don’t have all the facts. Something is wrong. Wasn’t it Stalin that said something to the effect that the only thing that matters is who counts the votes? During the early voting, there were several accounts of people who pushed the Romney button and it came up Obama. Multiply that times about 4 percent of the vote—or more. We are still playing flag football while the other team switched to tackle.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 4:12:56 PM PST by Avid Coug
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To: Longbow1969

I agree. I’ve been pointing out Freeper jackmercer and his excellent work out here last week on FR & how he NAILED this election. Lol, jackmerecer was just a guy like Nate Siver feeding a computer. It’s Ras & Gallup who were screwing with the numbers as jackmercer shows.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 4:17:47 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: palmer

I’m in Northern Virginia and had to wait an hour to vote. I am in a Democrat leaning district and when I saw that line of human debris I just had the worst feeling we wouldn’t even be able to carry VA. And yep, it turned out exactly that way. The Democrats have an incredibly turnout machine and they got enough of their people out to win.

Though my neck of the woods is fairly wealthy and successful, there was a disproportionate number of poor, non English speaking, Hispanic women with babies hanging all over them. I knew none of them were voting for Romney - especially since they all had their Spanish langauge version of the Democrat sample ballot. They’ve learned enough about America to realize at the beginning of November you hit the polls and vote yourself some more freebies.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 4:18:42 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: februus

Obama and the Dems delivered Trumka billions of dollars, countless jobs and endless recycled union dues via the Stimulus. Unions “ate” while most non-union people “starved” especially in the trades.

The borrowed tax money from the Stimulus came straight back to Obama and other Dem races as campaign contributions.

Another theory...they allowed the true “will of the People” e.g. an honest election in 2010. In 2012, along with the data from Facebook, the Census (re-assigned to the WH from the Dept. of Commerce in 2009)...they let closed the door on the GOP.

There was massive, massive fraud, and they figured out that vote “suppression” was a great tactic of projection to accuse the GOP of doing (Voter ID) when they were doing that themselves.

ObamaCare is law
Diplomats are dead
Taxes are going up
Deficit spending will continue
Amnesty and Cap ‘n Trade are on the horizon

Guys, we are in for tough time.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 4:23:17 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Longbow1969; All
The Democrats have an incredibly turnout machine and they got enough of their people out to win.

I believe that you are correct, but much of it was a combination of voting for Obama for racist reasons (because he was black, and "historic", and the huge advantage that the MSM gave him by being completely on his side.

Even with all that, he got far fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008, but it was enough because millions less voted for Romney than McCain. Much of that was voter suppression by the MSM as well, effectively selecting Romney by destroying his opposition, then demonizing him afterward.

I think that if the MSM had treated any one of a number of news items, such as the phoney "war on women", Fast and Furious, the black racisim in the DOJ, the Benghazi scandal, objectively or fairly, Obama would have lost. But the MSM had his back. They could not "let the first black president fail".

21 posted on 11/08/2012 4:33:18 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Longbow1969
We lost. Learn from it so we can win next time. Stop blaming it on conspiracy theories, computer code, illegals voting multiple times, etc. This goofiness seems to be an extension of all the "the polls are skewed" nonsense. Just stop it.

Lose we did, but I think "winning next time" is a longshot at best. What happened here is we have crossed a line, that line being the non-productive leeches have gained the majority. I can't imagine us ever getting our financial house in order when the takers outnumber the producers. We are broke, they just haven't taken away our credit cards yet. I fear very dark times in our future.

22 posted on 11/08/2012 4:33:35 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Toespi

How accurate we’re the results that Ohio paper put up (for a brief while) the day BEFORE the election?


23 posted on 11/08/2012 4:47:02 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: LongWayHome; jackmercer

Jack:

Did you see a D+6 turnout a week before the election? Did you see it sooner than that?


24 posted on 11/08/2012 4:55:06 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Toespi

Saddam had more legitimate elections than America does.

LLS


25 posted on 11/08/2012 5:04:44 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (I AM JOHN GALT)
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To: Kevmo

I think if you check jack’s posts you will find what you are looking for. He wrote a lot of nuts & bolts stuff that’s worth reading.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 5:07:26 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: I got the rope

Anyone REALLY believe the Daily Kos or SEIU know more about how Americans vote than Barone?


27 posted on 11/08/2012 5:13:03 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Longbow1969
We lost. Learn from it so we can win next time. Stop blaming it on conspiracy theories, computer code, illegals voting multiple times, etc. This goofiness seems to be an extension of all the "the polls are skewed" nonsense. Just stop it.

I agree. I'm tired of hearing "voter fraud!" from all the whiners. In case anyone forgot, Romney was bashed mercilessly on this forum right up to the very end. And now people are acting shocked he didn't win? Give me a break.

We lost because Republican voters stayed home, just like so many on this forum said they were going to do. There's no conspiracy.

28 posted on 11/08/2012 5:15:27 PM PST by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
But, he was right. ???

It's about as mystifying as somebody calling a coin flip correctly.

29 posted on 11/08/2012 5:17:32 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
Lose we did, but I think "winning next time" is a longshot at best.

The entire GOP needs a top to bottom makeover. The only demographic Romney carried were white males over 30. This might have worked in 1988 but it is a guaranteed loser today and from here on.

30 posted on 11/08/2012 5:18:49 PM PST by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Drew68

I am not a numbers cruncher. Mitt Romney had a rally that attracted 35,000 people in the Cincinnati area. The same day, Obama held a rally in Columbus area, at a fairgrounds, 2800 people showed up


31 posted on 11/08/2012 5:30:52 PM PST by Toespi
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To: Toespi

There is absolutely no question fraud was instigated in sundry places. Others have noted how Zero did not win in any States where Voter ID was in effect.

That said, I was, and perhaps am, under the delusion there are more righteous people in the United States than not; enough who care about political matters to swat the Marxists down. In the bigger scheme of things, however, the actual percentage of the population that even votes is small.

This is a good time to examine oneself and at the same time look to Divine Providence to correct what is wrong in our midst. Life is too short to worry ourselves to death over power players. The wicked WILL get what is coming to them one way or another.


32 posted on 11/08/2012 5:33:58 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (double trouble, here we come)
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To: Drew68

Wait, you mean you didn’t vote for Tom Hoefling :)


33 posted on 11/08/2012 6:15:56 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: dead

Well, you may think that was a no-brainer 50/50 chance, but that is not how it looked from here. We are all still in deep shock at losing this election. Everyone in this county was predicting a Romney landslide. And because the elction inspectors had been insulated from all news all day, the remark came out of left field.

When my husband walked in 15 minutes after the polls closed and announced that Fox had called the election in Wisconsin for Obama with only 1% of the vote in, nobody believed him.

We still had 900 absentee ballots to put through the machine.


34 posted on 11/08/2012 6:34:00 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Fester Chugabrew
...the actual percentage of the population that even votes is small.

My county had an 89.5% turnout.

35 posted on 11/08/2012 6:36:41 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I just read on another thread that Philadelphia had 90% turnout, Obama winning 99% of the vote in multiple districts. In Cleveland dozens of districts, Obama got 100% of the turnout, Romney receiving absolutely none. Now imagine dropping a diamond in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and going back a week later, finding the precise spot, getting your diamond back.


36 posted on 11/08/2012 6:45:16 PM PST by Toespi
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To: Longbow1969

Swing states didnt go for obama until the last holdout districts reported (democrat). happened in florida and ohio.


37 posted on 11/08/2012 6:48:48 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: afraidfortherepublic
89.5% of the population? I don’t think so. Eligible voters? Sure. But in the scheme of things what you witnessed was not a referendum representing the entire populations’ voice. There’s a world of ignorance out there, which means opportunity when viewed the right way. It is outside both your principles and mine to give up.
38 posted on 11/08/2012 6:49:03 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (double trouble, here we come)
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To: I got the rope

Dude, we lost, get over it. Hanging on to conspiracy theories just makes it more difficult to prepare for the next fight.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 7:00:42 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Kevmo

“Jack:

Did you see a D+6 turnout a week before the election? Did you see it sooner than that?”

To be honest with you, and this is going to sound really weird, I saw a higher dem turnout in Spring 2011 when the U.S. Census Bureau released its second in the series of 2010 census briefs.

The census data is free to the public and posted online for anyone to view. The demographic changes between 2000 and 2010 were mind-blowing. If you graph the changes of each race/ethnicity in 2000 to 2010, you can get a really nice regression line that lets you project the electorate makeup change between 2008 and 2010.

The 2008 black, hispanic and lower white electorate percentage was not a “hope and change”, “first black president”, “youth vote excitement for a hip president” election year. It was the new normal.

Anyway, so back in the Spring of 2012 when some national polls started getting ramped up and serious, I couldn’t believe that people like Rasmussen were making adjustments to his surveys like he did. There’s no way he would have done that if he had simply looked at the Census data and the geographic distribution of it.

Gallup actually thought the white vote would be 78% of the vote and in light of the census data, when I saw that, I could NOT believe that anyone with common sense would dare publish that garbage. But there it was, being quoted day and night on TV, front pages of USA Today and one of only two polls trumpeted over and over by Drudge.

But back to your question, it’s not whether I saw Dem +6 but whether I believed it. And because I was fully aware of the new demographic makeup of America as of 2010, I was able to put my own bias and wishes aside and believe it. Once I accepted the demographics as real, then I started tracking the trajectory of the race with all of the polls except Gallup and Rasmussen because they were obviously unaware of the census data or worse, inserting their own bias and purposefully ignoring it.


40 posted on 11/08/2012 7:13:36 PM PST by jackmercer
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To: Kevmo

“Jack:

Did you see a D+6 turnout a week before the election? Did you see it sooner than that?”

Here’s a good summary of the second in the 2010 census series. If you wanna have your mind blown, compare the demographics in this link with the exit polls from election day:

http://2010.census.gov/news/releases/operations/cb11-cn125.html

So after reading that, can you see how you could have made a good guess about this election in March of 2011 and be not too far off?


41 posted on 11/08/2012 7:19:07 PM PST by jackmercer
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To: Toespi

Obviously rally size is a poor indicator of results in the actual vote. The media also shapes leftist rallies to be far more significant than they are and downplay or ignore rallies of the right.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 8:36:34 PM PST by xp38
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To: jackmercer

Here’s a good summary of the second in the 2010 census series
***2010? If your results go that far back, you could have made a killing on intrade.

I was suggesting the polls were skewed way before it was cool.

https://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/listByUser/1781.page


43 posted on 11/08/2012 8:56:22 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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