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Let’s hope failure doesn’t lead us to the wrong conclusions. If the GOP thinks that becoming more like the Dems will win them elections, they are sadly mistaken. If they do move in that direction, there will be a third party formed by disaffected conservatives, tea party people, and libertarians. Such a political realignment will help the Dems in the short term, but given the impending and ongoing collapse of the welfare state, the future will not belong to the Dems.

RE :’Let’s hope failure doesn’t lead us to the wrong conclusions’

Considering that I just watched many here truly beleiving that Mitt would win in a landslide (unlike me) I can imagine lots of ‘wrong conclusions’

Look, its not just illegal immigration but its massive legal immigration for the last 12 years that has caused a HUGE prob.

And the new legal immigrants and their kids that are here now dont seem receptive to the ‘they must wait in line too’ arguments especially since so many jumped ahead of the others on family visas.

This is a disaster for sure

Let’s hope failure doesn’t lead us to the wrong conclusions

Speaking of "wrong conclusions," Back to the subject of the thread. In 2007, Krauthammer (I think sincerely at that time) strongly opposed the GWB amnesty. But here is what (probably also sincerely) he said after the 2012 election:

I think Republicans can change their position, be a lot more open to actual amnesty with enforcement. Amnesty, everything short of citizenship. And to make a bold change in their policy. Enforcement and then immediately after, a guarantee of amnesty. That would change everything. If you had a Rubio arguing that it would completely up-end all the ethnic alignments.

At least he says "amnesty" rather than "comp. immigration reform." But I think, and maybe both of you would agree with me that

1) "actual amnesty with enforcement." is the same foolish promise as the McCain/GWB 2007 amnesty

2) "Amnesty, everything short of citizenship" may be based on good intentions, but that part of any proposed law would be fought not only prior to passage and signing, but endlessly in the courts, new proposed amendments in congress, EOs, etc. And who would be fighting to uphold the "no citizenship" part of such a law? The same people who didn't show up to vote in 2012?

3) Krauthammer's notion is tantamount to a delayed surrender, even if he wrote the entire law himself.

If the GOP thinks that becoming more like the Dems will win them elections, they are sadly mistaken. If they do move in that direction, there will be a third party formed by disaffected conservatives, tea party people, and libertarians. Such a political realignment will help the Dems in the short term, but given the impending and ongoing collapse of the welfare state, the future will not belong to the Dems.

Whatever political parties come to power, the current GOP leadership is losing on all fronts. But also, despite all of Obama's outrageous abuses, those supposedly angry, motivated anti-Obama voters did not show up.

The Tea Party was a wonderful thing, but today, more than ever, with cell phones taking videos, honesty in a candidate is a liability exploited by ruthless professional politicians.

In the contest between traditional conservative values, and DEMographics, the latter won this time. As Kabar and sickoflibs have already stated, it's not just illegal immigration, but also legal immigration is also importing a huge number of leftist voters.