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What the Petraeus Investigation Tells Us About Online Surveillance
Reason ^ | Nov. 13, 2012 | J.D. Tuccille

Posted on 11/15/2012 1:18:21 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 11/15/2012 1:18:27 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The dog is in the tree. The dog is in the tree.

Uncle Steve bought a wrench. Uncle Steve bought a wrench.

John Kerry is a twit. John Kerry is a twit.

The first two get them looking and then they read the third one.


2 posted on 11/15/2012 1:32:58 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: neverdem

It tells one never ever put anything on a computer,in Email or on the net that you do not want some one else to see.


3 posted on 11/15/2012 1:34:22 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: neverdem

Of course they can. Remember Carnivore?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28software%29


4 posted on 11/15/2012 1:34:40 PM PST by two23
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To: neverdem
This article is absolutely ridiculous.

A woman who knows several prominent generals and the director of the CIA personally (it's troubling that she does, but those are the facts) gets anonymous threatening emails which involve the director of the CIA.

She informs a friend who is an FBI agent, who then escalates the inquiry.

This makes complete sense - this clearly touches on national security. What if the agent ignored the emails and something happened to the CIA Director?

This is not "snooping into someone's private emails."

This article is beyond stupid.

5 posted on 11/15/2012 1:34:40 PM PST by wideawake
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To: neverdem

I did some attorney work reviewing e-mails for discovery in several large cases. Bottom line ... if you put something in writing on company e-mail, some lawyer somewhere is going to read it.

I’ve seen it all. Emails between a guy and his mistress. E-mails between two closeted gay dudes. Arguments between spouses. Drama between coworkers. Mangled limbs from industrial accidents. Porn. E-mails to an executive at a major company from his wife ... that attached extremely personal and close-up images of every last inch of her.

Don’t e-mail it if you’re not prepared to have somebody read it. Even if it never becomes public ... if your company ever get sued and e-mails are a part of discovery, a lawyer will have to review them just to make sure they’re not relevant.

You don’t want some lawyer somewhere getting paid $40 an hour to review naked pictures of your wife.

SnakeDoc


6 posted on 11/15/2012 1:34:51 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Texas survived one Obama term, and we'll survive another. The rest of you are screwed.)
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To: neverdem

The FBI story that they investigated only after Broadwell sent harassing emails to Kelley smells like a coverup. I think the REAL fact is that the Holder Dept of inJustice was monitoring Petraeus, digging for dirt and came upon the juicy tidbits of the affair. 0bama and Holder probably have a lot of people under their thumbs in a similar manner. Think about those that suddenly switched steadfast positions and backed something the kenyan wanted, or think of how the RINO population seems to have increased. Being blackmailed will do that to you.


7 posted on 11/15/2012 1:35:26 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Remember the Heroic SEALs of Benghazi and DEMAND a Full Accounting!!!!)
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To: blueunicorn6
There's that ~ guns bullets terrorist attack alqaida barking dog meowing cat ~ and then there's this problem that most of these guys are just government employees and most everybody thinks neither they nor their friends should have normal Constitutional privacy rights.

But you notice the gub'mnt used their access to an employee's accounts to nail 2 people who are NOT government employees and who'd NOT used government computers to do anything.

Have you ever sent an email to a gub'mnt employee? If you have, and even if it wasn't over a government net on government equipment THEY ~ the FBI ~ got you!!!!

8 posted on 11/15/2012 1:38:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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9 posted on 11/15/2012 1:47:10 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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10 posted on 11/15/2012 1:47:36 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: SnakeDoctor

“You don’t want some lawyer somewhere getting paid $40 an hour to review naked pictures of your wife.”

If you know a good lawyer who works for $40 per hour, let us know. In the corporate world more likely $400+ per hour.


11 posted on 11/15/2012 1:52:39 PM PST by Soul of the South
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To: Soul of the South

LOL auto mechanics charge 80-100 an hour.
This guy must be living in the 70s.


12 posted on 11/15/2012 1:57:50 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: Soul of the South

I haven’t done that kind of work in a long time. Did a bit between jobs a few years back. Attorneys doing document review work usually get paid about $40 an hour through an agency. They’re basically temps with law degrees. I’ve heard of some as low as $25 an hour.

The law firms usually bill them out at more, pay the lawyers $25-40/hr., the agency another $25-40/hr., and keep the difference.

These days, I bill out at $250/hr.

SnakeDOc


13 posted on 11/15/2012 1:58:39 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Texas survived one Obama term, and we'll survive another. The rest of you are screwed.)
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To: wideawake

Evidently one of the emails Kelley showed the FBI agent she went to was one forwarded from Gen. Allen (where ‘KelleyPatrol’ was warning him about Kelley). SO, the FBI knew immediately that Allen was somehow involved, plus, they could tell that the movements of Petraeus & Allen, nonpublic information, was known by somebody. This was enough for them to look into it - makes sense to me.


14 posted on 11/15/2012 2:01:49 PM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: nascarnation
I was talking about temp lawyers that work in these document review mills, not actual practicing attorneys. Litigators and corporate attorneys bill out at far more. These temp kids -- mostly recent law grads -- usually make quite a bit less than $40/hr.

Here's a blog where temp attorneys bitch about the whole thing ...

http://temporaryattorney.blogspot.com/

SnakeDoc

15 posted on 11/15/2012 2:03:01 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Texas survived one Obama term, and we'll survive another. The rest of you are screwed.)
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To: wideawake
Whole careers can be destroy by invasion of privacy. The Watergate break in is thought to be illegal gathering dirt on a Democrat who was having an affair. That was before emails.
16 posted on 11/15/2012 2:03:56 PM PST by wmp46
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To: neverdem

I give it about 30 days until the naked pictures of Broadwell and the Tampa Kardashian sisters come out.


17 posted on 11/15/2012 2:06:08 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where's your brothers ElCamino ?)
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To: wideawake
A woman who knows several prominent generals and the director of the CIA

Several generals and high ranking officers of CENTCOM.

That same woman also could sail in and out of MacDill whenever she wanted and has shown an amazingly bizarre behavior.

Troubling? VERY troubling.

18 posted on 11/15/2012 2:06:53 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: riverrunner; neverdem; ShadowAce; Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; onyx

Actually things are now much easier with everybody putting there daily doings on Facebook.


19 posted on 11/15/2012 2:39:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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Agree. People broadcast pictures of their little children for instance without thinking of the ramifications. For the whole world to see. Then they tell the world their exact home addresses. World full of dopes at this point.


20 posted on 11/15/2012 2:44:24 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (I'm going John Galt.... But. Honor must be earned.)
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