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Norm Coleman urges GOP to take on immigration
pioneer press ^ | 11-15-12 | megan bolt

Posted on 11/16/2012 5:07:53 AM PST by TurboZamboni

A week after Hispanic voters helped President Barack Obama win another four years in office, a prominent Minnesota Republican is calling on his party to reform immigration laws so immigrants living in the U.S. illegally can become legal rather than be deported.

Former U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman made his pitch in an opinion piece for the Pioneer Press posted online Thursday, Nov. 15, departing from stances he took five years ago while in office.

Coleman said he believes his evolution on immigration is reflective of many Americans' stance on the issue, and it's time to allow otherwise law-abiding immigrants pathways to citizenship so they can be vocal and visible members of society.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; border; illegals; rino
Brave Sir Norman bravely ran away...
1 posted on 11/16/2012 5:07:58 AM PST by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

They tried immigration reform back in 1983...with Simpson Rodino. Saying this would be the last amnesty. I think this is sending a real cool message to illegals. DON”T go to the Embassy, don’t give your real name when working, get across illegally, bribed, get a job under an alias name, and use the racists term if anyone challenges you. SCREW the poor souls that stand in line at 4 a.m, who give REAL identity, doing photographs and REWARD the riff raft who defied the laws and officials. LEAD... and give these people a USA passport, and make the whole world respect your country as Law and Order country.


2 posted on 11/16/2012 5:12:33 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: TurboZamboni
I'd rather the pubbies filibustered and sat on their hands for 4 years.

If they do ANYthing, it will be a squeeze play and nothing good will come of it.

Defund every social program and let the veto pen come out.

3 posted on 11/16/2012 5:12:34 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: TurboZamboni

Sorry asshat coleman, my feelings on the meaning of citizenship have not evolved. It means something to me if not to you and the morons who believe like you that is we have one big landing zone here for anyone who wishes to drive, fly or boat in over the border. I have an idea, why not see if your idea of evolving immigration and citizenship has made it to say China? Drop in, say they owe you citizenship and benefits and see what happens. Call me from the next life.


4 posted on 11/16/2012 5:14:47 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: TurboZamboni
Coleman said he believes his evolution on immigration is reflective of many Americans' stance on the issue, and it's time to allow otherwise law-abiding immigrants pathways to citizenship so they can be vocal and visible members of society.

CLOSE THE BORDERS FIRST! Same thing we have been screaming since before the 2004 election which gave Republicans the majority in both Houses. Could have been a pretty simple bill and then you could have reformed the immigration process. As usual, the voice of the people takes a back seat and only possibly heard after all other SPECIAL INTERESTS are heard.
5 posted on 11/16/2012 5:15:10 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: TurboZamboni

These amnesty pimps aren’t suddenly having a change of heart. They’ve been chomping at the bit for years to let the illegals stay. It’s called surrendering the country rather than defending it. Whether that surrender is for economic advantage, i.e. cheap labor, political pandering, or simply a lack of will to defend the country, it’s still surrender.

These RINO sellouts are fooling themselves if they seriously think the GOP can win over Hispanics with an amnesty. The GOP cannot out pander the pander party, aka Democrats.


6 posted on 11/16/2012 5:18:20 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: TurboZamboni

When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ?

Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .


7 posted on 11/16/2012 5:20:30 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: Mouton

And the GOP wonders why it has trouble winning elections with schmucks like Coleman!


8 posted on 11/16/2012 5:21:48 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: TurboZamboni

This from the weenie who lost his seat to the clown, Al Franken, after multiple crooked recounts and did nothing about the travesty. Why is he giving advice to anyone about running a successful campaign?


9 posted on 11/16/2012 5:21:54 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: TurboZamboni

Every single scheme the Pubbies try politically to attract Hispanic voters will fail miserably. Because you can’t outpander the all-time champs of pandering, the Democrat Party. Every time the Pubbies have tried to pander (like Reagan legalizing 3 million), it has been met with resounding failure. Stick to principle. Illegal immigration must be met with strong measures: arrest and deportation. Screw the appeasement “experts” who will doom the party and doom the country with their ill-advised and worthless suggestions.


10 posted on 11/16/2012 5:24:55 AM PST by driftless2
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To: knarf

“Defund every social program and let the veto pen come out.”

This is what the 30 GOP governors should do. Why penalize the citizens in your state for the aid and comfort of the illegals? They will happily take every tax dollar they can and then vote Democrat in the next election. At least we can make them a wee bit less fat and happy while they stab us in the back.


11 posted on 11/16/2012 5:25:50 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: CitizenUSA

Wow - with stupid ideas like this I’m almost glad Stuart Smilley beat him - of course that was fraud, too - but that’s another issue!


12 posted on 11/16/2012 5:31:41 AM PST by Froggie
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To: txrefugee
Why penalize the citizens in your state for the aid and comfort of the illegals? They will happily take every tax dollar they can and then vote Democrat in the next election.

You're darn tootin they will SILL vote DEMONCrats. We MUST NOT give in to the illegals !

13 posted on 11/16/2012 5:31:47 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: rovenstinez

Slow path to progress for U.S. immigrants: 43% on welfare after 20 years

The study, which covers all immigrants, legal and illegal, and their U.S.-born children younger than 18, found that immigrants tend to make economic progress by most measures the longer they live in the U.S. but lag well behind native-born Americans on factors such as poverty, health insurance coverage and homeownership.

The study, based on 2010 and 2011 census data, found that 43 percent of immigrants who have been in the U.S. at least 20 years were using welfare benefits, a rate that is nearly twice as high as native-born Americans and nearly 50 percent higher than recent immigrants.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/8/slow-path-to-progress-for-us-immigrants/

so more amnesty from republicans helps our country how?


14 posted on 11/16/2012 5:32:48 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni
"so they can be vocal and visible"

They already are, Normy. Go back to Brooklyn, you former Democrat RINO schmuck.
15 posted on 11/16/2012 5:33:09 AM PST by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: TurboZamboni

I don’t know why everyone is so afraid of this issue.

IT’S ALL ABOUT NUMBERS!

Politics completely aside… just look at the number of Americans gainfully employed and PAYING TAXES …then compare it with the number of people who actually live here, consuming services, (fire dept, roads, police, educational system, medical services, etc. - and ask yourself:

“How can the revenue of this country POSSIBLY be sufficient to pay for an increasing ‘population’ that includes undocumented workers, who are here and PAY NO TAXES YET… CONSUME SERVICES??????

Political discussion is incidental… because the practical and logical considerations are patently clear and unambiguous!

Get the BS emotional nonsense out of the discussion and look at the immoveable and logical facts!


16 posted on 11/16/2012 5:37:41 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: TurboZamboni

Take it on, secure the border!

Until they secure the border, any talk of reform is stupid and useless.

It’s like patching and painting a bad spot on the ceiling, without ever dealing with the huge hole in the roof.

They attack the symptom not the problem.

Fix the roof then address the ceiling!


17 posted on 11/16/2012 5:45:22 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: TurboZamboni

Another moderate loser heard from!


18 posted on 11/16/2012 5:46:02 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: TurboZamboni
Yes, Norm and so too did the Romans' stance on barbarian immigration 'evolve' to allow them 'pathways to become members of Roman society!'


Thomas Cole, The Course of Empire: Destruction 1836

19 posted on 11/16/2012 5:47:03 AM PST by drpix
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To: TurboZamboni

Even if GOP caves on immigration, the illegals will still vote for democrats because they are for ‘reform’ AND the bennies.


20 posted on 11/16/2012 6:07:06 AM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: Irenic

“Until they secure the border, any talk of reform is stupid and useless.”

You also need to secure the bennies.


21 posted on 11/16/2012 6:08:35 AM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: TurboZamboni; All

The Illegal Alien problem is that Federal Politicians refuse to enforce the Federal Laws that they have already signed into Law.

The Obama/Rubio nightmare of their ‘Dream Act’ is a perfect example of this fact.

Here is a simple ‘DUH’ list for our yellow-spined Federal Politicians to follow:

1.) Close the US-Mexican Border, tight.

2.) Enforce the existing Federal Laws to deport Illegal Aliens, especially children: “Where the children go, the parents will follow.”

3.) Build photo and fingerprint file on all Illegal Mexican Aliens at the time of deportation.

4.) Build photo and fingerprint files on all other Illegal Aliens at the time of deportation.

5.) After deportation and illegal re-entry, issue automatic, at-the-point-of-capture penalties of existing Federal Laws to any returning illegal aliens, which includes a 6 month jail sentence and a felony charge. This will render them unfit to ever legally re-enter the USA.

6.) Repeat steps 1 through 5.

BTW, the 23 MILLION un- and under employed LEGAL Americans will be very grateful for a return to real jobs and to a return of law and order in America.

Some of the 23 Million would make excellent Border Guards - - - - .


22 posted on 11/16/2012 6:10:27 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: TurboZamboni

Norm sounds like some kind of voter registration guy for the commie DemocRATS. If he thinks the illegals will ever vote for a Republican, he’s badly misinformed.


23 posted on 11/16/2012 6:14:24 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We need Comprehensive Election Reform, NOW!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Norm can’t decide if he’s a Republican or not...


24 posted on 11/16/2012 6:14:27 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: TurboZamboni
...a prominent Minnesota Republican...

Stopped reading right there. Norm sucks. (and those of you FROM Minnesota, I don't just mean Norm Green!)

25 posted on 11/16/2012 6:28:06 AM PST by mn-bush-man
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To: TurboZamboni
Oh, the irony!

Just last night I used Coleman's defeat by the likes of avowed Communist and play-actor Al Frankin as an example of why the very thing he now recommends won't work.

Few, in the recent past, have been more "accommodating" toward the delusional post-modern "liberal" worldview than Coleman, himself. And he ran for re-election and, no doubt, was called "extreme" by the Democrat-Labor Party in Minnesota regardless, and was apparently defeated by the unstable character actor.

The Democrat familia and their apologists among the legacy media elite will not celebrate Republicans who behave like Democrats. Conservatism is an unchanging respect for immutable truth, a defense of the right to say "two plus two equals four."

26 posted on 11/16/2012 6:38:57 AM PST by Prospero
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IF the border was truly closed and IF some kind of worker status WITHOUT voting rights was created and voting was reformed to stop fraud and if but if but if but....however, none of that will/would happen. Ifs and buts....so you wind up with the same thing over and over.


27 posted on 11/16/2012 6:59:43 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: mn-bush-man

I think he and Arne Carlson do weird things to one another.


28 posted on 11/16/2012 7:33:19 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni
and the reason anyone should pay one bit of attention to anything little norman has to say about any issue is ________ ???

winner will receive an autographed copy of "Norm Coleman's Treasury of Legislative Wisdom"

29 posted on 11/16/2012 8:17:54 AM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: TurboZamboni

Gee, is he gonna reverse his vote on the energy bill in 2005 too.. The one that would have got us drilling now.. then.. but
NO.. Mr. 60th vote for cloture went his own way,, like Minnesotans don’t need energy too. and he sure got to the bottom of the OIl for Food UN fiasco.. yes sirree.. bob


30 posted on 11/16/2012 12:03:10 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: TurboZamboni

Yeah, I’m going to listen to a guy who lost to Jesse Ventura and Al Franken.


31 posted on 11/16/2012 12:04:43 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: TurboZamboni

I am so f*cking tired of these RINO’s getting all this free facetime for saying the dumbest crap...


32 posted on 11/16/2012 12:11:21 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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