The actual ad didn't have the "Attention Politicians" text up top... but it sure seems to be the unspoken message.
Posted on 11/24/2012 9:15:29 AM PST by aimhigh
Sometime early on Black Friday, the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, went down and stopped all gun sales, Bangor-area gun dealers said.
High call volumes caused “intermittent outages” in the system, an FBI spokesman confirmed Friday afternoon.
(Excerpt) Read more at bangordailynews.com ...
Now how in the world could this happen? Hmmmmm...
More of us than they can keep up with.
We are giving each other some newer models this Christmas....the gift everyone should have.
Just register the dorks that don’t have a gun. ;-)
The actual ad didn't have the "Attention Politicians" text up top... but it sure seems to be the unspoken message.
Great. They can infringe your right to keep and bear arms simply by being incompetent to scale a database.
They have 3 days to give results or else the sale goes through anyway. Think of it as the NICS has 3 days to say no or else it is approved.
I know a rather large gun dealer in Colorado, he says the excuses are all over the board, even that it is 50/50 liberal/conservative buying. People are simply “feeling” the need to be armed and even that feeling is all over the palce.
Cabelas had a great price on a Bushmaster AR .223, it was a flat top with a nice red dot sight pre installed. The deal on 500 rounds of Federal .223 sold out before I got there.
15 years ago one weekend, the government was intentionally holding back approvals on background checks so that they could make some sort of statement for the media.
It was then I applied for and got my CCW which obviates the need to have a background check. The cost of the license ended up saving me a bunch of money over the years because of the number of guns I purchased and didn’t have to spend the $5.....
NICS? I love the show. Mark Harmon is the dreamiest!
I know liberals who have purchased guns since 2008. And some of them wasn’t within the last year, but prior.
They vote with a “guilty” mind but reality says “protect yourself”
Unintended consequences of government regulations?
Unintended being the operative word. Very intended in fact.
Heh-heh...I he’p’d!!!
The Makers are investing their money in firearms rather than stocks or in banks?
I was hoping to see a gun related thread today. Went to a range today for the first time. My gun experience is limited to .22 and shotgun. Looking for a handgun a 9mm but something not so heavy. Hubby fired a CZ (heavy) and I tried a glock 19. It felt pretty good but does anything have advice on something for me. I am a 60 year old woman. Not so much interested in carrying but home protection. Looking for something lighter and easier to handle. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
I know that *this* maker did just a couple of weeks ago, and it was as much from an investment perspective as from any other perspective (and man did I find a sweet deal .. ready to go get another now!) :)
Well that’s odd. That also happened to the folks counting republican votes on election day...
pick up and handle as many guns as you can, when one feels right in your hand, you'll know it... as far as auto's go, make real sure you can pull the slide back to load it/cycle a misfeed
You won’t lack for advice in here, but IMHO get a 20-guage shotgun and stoke it up with #4 goose shot. Won’t penetrate walls and punch holes in things & people in the adjoining apartment or down the street as much as a pistol bullet is apt to, but at close range where you need it, utterly devastating.
Psychological deterrent significant with a scatter gun.
Not many gremlins are crazy or stupid enough to stick around once they look down the barrel of your fowling piece.
A double barrel = intimidation X2, and unless you are going to train / practice intensively the simpler your action the better - and usually safer.
If you can’t settle a hostile home invasion issue with one or two rounds of #4 to center mass at 10 ft. (don’t let ‘em get any closer than that!) then call in an air strike; the war has arrived.
Don’t be hesitant or squeamish; mental prep critical.
A scumbag on bath salts is about as close to a zombie as you’ll ever hope to encounter; they have almost superhuman psychotic strength and it takes a #@!! of a lot to stop them.
A pistol - even a magnum - is a wimp compared to even a light gauge shotgun. The little .410 is more powerful than Dirty Harry’s fabled .44 Magnum, and it’s amazingly easy to miss even at close range with a sidearm, especially under stress. Look at how many cops shoot up a whole neighborhood before they manage to tag the bad guy - and they are trained!
Unless you are really emaciated or have crippling arthritis, you should be able to handle a 20 bore all right - but you MUST get competent training in defensive strategy, tactics, and the law - not just shooting.
Check with your local PD, Sheriff’s office, or shooting club for certified courses and instructors in your area.
Others will sound off but my suggestion is a Smith & Wesson 640 or 642, both are 5 shot revolvers that will shoot .38 Special ammo. No switches or push-pull-click-clack, simply pull the trigger. Gun is about 7 inches long and weighs a little over a pound. Stainless steel. Sweet.
Thanks for the replies so far, gives me a lot to think about. Don’t have any neighbors to worry about as far as other structures and I am not feeble. Hate to but a second shotgun we have a 16 gauge now. I was thinking a handgun would be a little quicker access. I am a decent shot and when it comes to our home I don’t think I would hesitate. I am half serb. Have shot many a 4 legged varmint over the years.
Mark your calendar for December 3rd. After that date is a good time for additional investing in "the market". Dumping investments will increase as the need for Christmas cash hits the marketplace.
For private sales/purchases, I always just copy down drivers lic. info and ask if they are a felon... just to cover my backside in case I'm ever forced into some sort of questioning by authorities.
This isn’t the first time that fire arm checks were shut down and it wasn’t because of call volume. They shut down the fire arm checks when cut backs forced some public employees to reduce staff or take unpaid time off. They chose to hold up the fire arms checks as a cost cutting measure.
I know because my husband tried to make a purchase that week. Instead of an overnight or immediate approval, it took a whole week. The excuse was the cut backs.
Since you are looking for home protection and not a carry weapon, you might give the CZ another look. They are extremely reliable, and the added weight of the all-metal frame helps minimize recoil. If your adrenaline is flowing, you probably wouldn't even notice the weight.
Whichever way you go, get plenty of range time, and congrats on expanding your horizons.
When WA State held up the background check for my husband on the grounds of being short handed, my husband already had a concealed carry license.
If you want home protection, here are some tips:
-get an alarm system, and make sure you post the signs in the windows all around the house (assuming you live in a single-family dwelling)
- install double-keyed dead bolts on your exterior doors. If you have a sliding glass door, buy a stop or put a 2X4 in the rail
-get a short-barrelled shotgun and learn how to use it
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm
Here’s a site that looks at all sorts of ammunition. This page talks about the lack of penetration into a human with birdshot. And while #4 birdshot may not reliably kill a guy, I imagine it would deter MOST. However, after looking at his site (he has other pages with the testing results), I took out the #4 birdshot and put in 00 buckshot and slugs in my shotguns.
In Georgia, the former GFL and now the CWCP serve as the NICS check. Except for one or two years a whole back. BATF claimed Georgia didn’t do regular checks on license holders in the 5 year period
See post #34. Good here.
A Man, A Plan, AmmoLand!
great choice no hammer to hang on pocket , ladies purses are cheap no hammer to hang on everything in a purse
Others have given good advice. Go to a range that rents or borrow and try different handguns and try them. Absolutely nothing wrong with a 16 .
Government incompetence is infringement on the right to keep and bear arms.
It's really starting the "shove" in "push and shove".
#4s are sort of transitional between “bird” and “buck” shot.
Sometimes called “Goose” or “Fox” shot, it is what Masadd Ayoob reccomends for home defense.
I highly recommend his excellent book “In the Gravest Extreme”.
Inside of home defense ranges, that column of shot isn’t going to spread much more than the size of a fist; that’s a tight, potent swarm of hot lead, and energy transfer is significant. Unless the perp is wearing a vest, penetration should be adequate without overpenetrating, as even 00 is apt to do. Go shoot some pumpkins with it at close range. Wear a raincoat.
It looks better in court too; “I only had duck shot in my shotgun in case a fox got after the chickens / cat etc., but it’s all I had when the guy kicked the door in...”
Of course you never intended to shoot anybody... never crossed your mind, right?
Even in a righteous shoot, lawyers will raise hob with you if you take an AK or AR to some poor misunderstood Trayvon who wandered through your door some night. The “hunting” or “fox” shotgun resorted to in an emergency always looks better to a jury.
When I was in the NH State Police we were issued the S&W Model 66 - one sweet revolver. I was one of the last Troopers to carry a wheel gun.
The .357 is about the killingest pistol round out there despite being about 80 years old. Practice with .38s and stoke it with 125 gr. hollow points for serious business.
If you have to fight for your life with it, you’ll never notice the kick.
A lot to be said for the old wheel gun for reliability.
You shouldn’t be getting into a fire fight inside your crib where you’ll need to swap out a magazine - 3 or 4 rounds should settle it unless the Chinese bloody Army is coming after you.
Statistically you probably won’t have to pop a cap at all; most gremlins when they encounter an armed victim hear their Mammy callin’ and seek employment elsewhere - in a hurry!
Main use for handgun in HD is concealability - can hide it in a bathrobe pocket etc. while answering the door, letting the dog in, getting the mail or checking out things that go bump in the night without freaking everybody out. It’s harder for a perp to take it away if he sneaks up or charges and closes on you, but you still need to learn weapons retention techniques. Gunfights do go hand to hand sometimes, and it gets ugly.
Oh, 16s are SWEET! I love ‘em, even though they are more popular in Europe than they are here.
Until I got a 12 bore Ithica pump I kept a double barreled German Heinel outside hammer “coach gun” leaning in the corner and didn’t feel at all underprotected.
You could probably handle a 12 all right, but a lot of the ladies are shy of ‘em and a 16 or 20 will get the job done just fine with less recoil.
George, You very succinctly expanded on my own advice to the lady without being preachy. You must have a great mind as it parallels mine, at least where firearms are concerned. I haave carried a handgun nearly every day of my adult life, 50 years more or less, and while my prefered serious business pistol is a 1911, I have a battery of revolvers that have their place. I have used a handgun for self defense twice and have yet to expend any ammo.
Too often people, gun experts in particular, loose sight of practicality for other people when making recommendations. Your points on self defense are spot on. When frightened and fighting for your life one does not need to be trying to relearn how to pull the slide to the rear or how to work the safety or change magazines. In over 50 years,
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