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THE CASE OF THE MISSING VOTERS (SOME THOUGHTS)
Powerline ^ | 11/24/2012 | Scott Johnson

Posted on 11/24/2012 9:28:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind

In the new issue of the Weekly Standard Jay Cost undertakes a retrospective on what happened in the election just passed. Cost detects a mystery. It’s the case of the missing voters:

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In 2008, some 131.5 million Americans went to the polls; while the votes are still being tallied, this time around there probably were between 127 and 130 million votes cast. Most of the decline came from white voters; in fact, between 6 and 9 million white voters went missing this year, relative to 2008. It is a reasonable guess that the number of white votes in 2004 roughly equaled the number in 2012, despite the fact that millions of new whites have become eligible to vote and the aging white population has entered peak voting years.

Much has been made of the increasing whiteness of the GOP coalition, with the implication being that Mitt Romney lost because he failed to attract enough support from ethnic or racial minorities. Without doubt, this was a problem for the GOP nominee and certainly made a difference in key swing states. In Colorado and Florida, Romney’s support among Hispanics was lower than that of George W. Bush and even John McCain.

But Romney’s problems were much bigger than this, as he failed to pull enough white voters into his coalition to win. In Colorado, Florida, and Ohio, Romney improved on McCain’s share of white voters, but these states saw notable declines in white turnout. Meanwhile, in Iowa and Virginia—where white turnout was roughly constant—Romney failed to match the levels that Bush pulled when he won both states.

This suggests that the identity politics explanation is insufficient to explain Romney’s electoral problem. It was not merely a failure to attract Hispanics and, to a lesser extent, African Americans into the GOP coalition (preliminary data actually suggest that Barack Obama won fewer African Americans in 2012 than he did in 2008). There seems to have been an overall hesitation among many types of voters—white or not—about entering the GOP coalition. It looks as though many backed Obama over Romney, and many more simply chose not to vote.

An examination of the exit poll makes it easy to see why. Obama’s campaign against Romney, which portrayed him as an out-of-touch plutocrat, appears largely to have been successful. Romney’s favorable rating in the exit poll was just 47 percent, with 50 percent holding an unfavorable view. By 53 to 43 percent, voters said that Obama was “more in touch with people like” them, and by a staggering 53 percent to 34 percent, they said Romney’s policies would favor the rich instead of the middle class.

In other words, Romney lost in large part because of a yawning empathy gap. Typically, this plagues Republican candidates to some degree, even victorious ones, but it was pronounced this year, and appears to have been determinative. The voters who showed up on Election Day identified more closely with Obama than Romney, and those who stayed home presumably identified with neither. Importantly, this problem transcended age, race, ethnicity, and gender. Compared with Bush in 2004, Romney simply failed to connect with people.

What of the Democratic performance? There is little for the left to celebrate here beyond the fact that their candidate won a second term in the Oval Office. After all, President Obama won fewer popular votes, a smaller share of the popular vote, and a smaller share of the Electoral College. The last president to be reelected with such a diminished coalition was Franklin Roosevelt in his third and fourth terms. No president in American history but Barack Obama has ever entered a second full term with his coalition diminished across the board.

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Cost’s analysis suggests to me the devastating effect of the Obama campaign’s personal attacks on Romney during the months after Romney sewed up the GOP nomination. The Obama campaign turned Romney into dead man walking.

The Romney campaign had no funds to respond to those attacks. Prior to the convention, Romney was prevented by law from accessing the funds he had raised for the general campaign. After the convention, Romney had plenty of money, but many voters had tuned him out. Why didn’t Romney self-fund a response to the merciless attacks he was sustaining from the Obama campaign in the battleground states prior to the GOP convention? That is a mystery for another day.

Cost offers this to unravel the case of the missing voters: “Voters did not trust Obama to handle the tough issues, but even less did they trust Romney to represent them in the Oval Office.” Looking ahead, he sees both hazard and opportunity: “It is not hard to see how the nation’s deep disgruntlement could produce a major upheaval in two or four years’ time.”

FOOTNOTE: For a good companion to Cost’s retrospective, see John Podhoretz’s Commentary essay “The way forward,” while Pat Caddell offered a variety of related thoughts in his post-election analysis at David Horowitiz’s Restoration Weekend earlier this month. And Michael Barone is wrestling with the case of the missing voters as well.

JOHN adds a couple of thoughts: First, Romney’s tactical error went beyond not using his own funds pre-convention. Money that was raised after Romney had the nomination sewed up could nevertheless have been designated for the primary phase of the campaign, but the Romney campaign believed that money spent during the summer is basically wasted, since undecided voters don’t make up their minds until October. The two campaigns followed opposite strategies here, and it seems that the Romney camp was proven wrong.

Second, I fear that Republicans are making a serious mistake if we blame the election’s outcome on Romney’s failure to connect with voters. Obviously that happened to some degree, but the real question is, why? The most alarming statistic quoted by Jay Cost is that, by a wide margin, voters believed Romney’s policies would benefit the rich and not the middle class–this despite the fact that Obama’s policies had already proven to be a disaster for the middle class. I am afraid that this demonstrates, not just a lack of support for Romney, but a lack of support for free enterprise.

Despite all of the nonsense that surrounded the campaign, I think nearly all voters understood that Romney’s policies favored smaller, less intrusive government and more reliance on free enterprise, while Obama stood for more government. A generation ago, the idea that free enterprise only benefits the rich would have been regarded as ridiculous in the light of history. Today, I fear that a great many Americans believe that free enterprise only favors the rich, or something close to that proposition. This is reflected in the survey done a few months ago that suggested young people have a more favorable view of socialism than capitalism.

When Ronald Reagan said that in the present crisis, government isn’t the solution, government is the problem, he was appealing to something that most Americans already believed. I am concerned that the bedrock belief in free enterprise that was taken for granted in our youth may now be mostly gone. It is not hard to see why that might be the case, since all of the organs of our culture, from the public schools to the television networks to the comedy industry to Hollywood to higher education to the women’s magazines have been diligently working to undermine faith in economic freedom for several decades now. I fear that what failed to connect with voters in 2012–with enough voters, anyway–was not Mitt Romney the man, but rather free enterprise, the philosophy. There is no way conservatives can undo the baleful effects of our culture on political assumptions in the course of a presidential campaign, no matter how eloquent our candidate may be. And, of course, the problem is compounded by the fact that increasing numbers of Americans live outside the free economy, either as public employees or as dependents on government benefits.


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KEYWORDS: 2012analysis; 2012electionanalysis; election; elections; romney
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1 posted on 11/24/2012 9:28:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s amazing how people will stand in line for hours for black Friday, football games, concerts, the latest iphone, etc. but could care less aboiut voting.

The mentality of this nation has gone to sh!t. Completely.


2 posted on 11/24/2012 9:30:49 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: SeekAndFind
This writer essentially verifies Romney's “47%” comment and his “free stuff” comment as being correct.
3 posted on 11/24/2012 9:35:31 AM PST by stylin19a (obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: stylin19a

“This writer essentially verifies Romney’s “47%” comment and his “free stuff” comment as being correct. “

You are quite correct. They (voters) just didn’t want to hear it and prefer to remain in denial.


4 posted on 11/24/2012 9:39:33 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am concerned that the bedrock belief in free enterprise that was taken for granted in our youth may now be mostly gone. It is not hard to see why that might be the case, since all of the organs of our culture, from the public schools to the television networks to the comedy industry to Hollywood to higher education to the women’s magazines have been diligently working to undermine faith in economic freedom for several decades now.

And, of course, the problem is compounded by the fact that increasing numbers of Americans live outside the free economy, either as public employees or as dependents on government benefits.

In other words, America is dead and gone.
I concur. It is every man for himself now. Good luck.

5 posted on 11/24/2012 9:42:04 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: unixfox

Someone said recently; Voters don’t learn from day to day events, they learn from disasters. There’s some serious learnin’ coming at us. When the govt. runs out of money, all social programs crash and burn, then they will learn.


6 posted on 11/24/2012 9:44:17 AM PST by chiller (Do not consume any NBCNews;MTPTodayNightlyNewsMorningJoeMSNBCBrianWilliams)
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To: SeekAndFind

Again and again, this is all BS.

The people were shown the contrast between Obama and Romney. They even had Obama on a Newsweek as the empty chair from the convention.

No, the people in general changed.
Many went on endless welfare, endless unemployment, food stamps or the dole.
Other kids were being gifted through money for college.
Most of the various stimulus went to grow government employee union jobs (especially the worst on earth, the teacher’s union).
At schools teenagers and college kids were given reasons to go out and vote Obama.
OBAMA PHONES.
Our tax money to Auto Unions.

On and on, “THERE WAS AND IS NOW A HUGE COALITION OF THE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR”.
Wasn’t a lack of white people (who should and did know better).
If someone who knew better didn’t go out to vote against Obama and for Romney, then same on them for sure, but in general lots of people don’t pay taxes and get other people’s stuff and we have been dealing with various forms of Santa Clause Democrats for over 40 years. It’s why Republicans went soft, so now what?


7 posted on 11/24/2012 9:47:40 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SeekAndFind
About as sound a post-election analysis as I've read.

However, my take is more pessimistic: I look around me at the type of society we've become, and I've concluded that we are no longer a people capable of self-government, at least on a national level. Granted, Mitt Romney had his flaws, and I never counted myself an enthusiastic supporter. His campaign team in particular I thought a bunch of incompetent dolts - which in fact they turned out to be. But for all his faults, Romney was a decent man campaigning on policies that at one time would have been considered the very essence of moderate. And he lost to Barack 0bama, the nakedly anti-American, anti-free enterprise failure. Could any sane, responsible people reelect an incompetent, sinister fraud like Barack 0bama?

No. But a dependent, selfish, morally corrupt people certainly could.

8 posted on 11/24/2012 9:49:36 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: unixfox
It’s amazing how people will stand in line for hours for black Friday, football games, concerts, the latest iphone, etc. but could care less aboiut voting.

The mentality of this nation has gone to sh!t. Completely.

Of course it has. The demographic shift tipping point has come and gone and all of the post election "what ifs, shoulda, woulda, coulda" and tactical electoral pontification is so much empty meaningless crap. The nation we were born into, once knew and loved is done. Americans have given into the temptation of "free stuff" and a false sense of security over the blesings and responsibilities of liberty. All that's left now is the impending implosion and aftermath.

9 posted on 11/24/2012 9:49:49 AM PST by TADSLOS (LOSING BIG- The GOP legacy.)
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To: chiller

Obama was already a disaster. I think most voting for him knew that but had their hands in the Democrat Party’s pocket for taxpayer loot.

How do we deal with that?
Add th decades of stacking the bench with liberal Judges and the punks teaching in schools and you see almost the need for a complete political war.
In one way or another, I think I will live to see political riots in our country.
They will happen due to having to go off the dole (like in Italy, Greece or Spain) or the people will rise up in constant protest of not balancing a budget and growing government and entitlements.
I think first we get the riots over not getting the dole, then riots to balance our budget minus giant government and government handouts.

Think I will live to see a two-for...


10 posted on 11/24/2012 9:52:56 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

The GOP put up a technocratic venture capitalist who parks his money in the Cayman Islands and came across as holding no sincere political philosophy or convictions.

And you wonder why a lot of people weren’t motivated to leave the house to vote for him?


11 posted on 11/24/2012 9:53:03 AM PST by WilliamIII
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To: SeekAndFind
Today, I fear that a great many Americans believe that free enterprise only favors the rich, or something close to that proposition.

Well, given the massive bailouts to the well-connected rich - bailouts that large numbers of politicians in both parties supported - I can't imagine why so many people became cynical towards corporatism. /sarcasm

IMO the key reason so many people simply didn't vote this time is a perception that no matter which guy won, the same crap would keep getting perpetuated.

And this is why it is so vital that the Tea Party maintain its identity apart from the GOP.

12 posted on 11/24/2012 9:55:40 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: SeekAndFind
Today, I fear that a great many Americans believe that free enterprise only favors the rich, or something close to that proposition.

Not "the rich", per se, but those who have initiative and talent. Fewer Americans have either, so they lean toward supporting an alternative system with a guaranteed payout.

People no longer see free enterprise as something that can directly benefit them.

13 posted on 11/24/2012 9:56:48 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: chiller

I don’t buy this articles take. Romney rose in the polls late in the race, the voters didn’t abandon him. Long lines were reported in Romney voting districts. The longest that most voters had ever seen. This contradicts the results of the election count. I don’t trust anything the socialist democrats have their commie hands in. NOTHING.


14 posted on 11/24/2012 9:58:37 AM PST by spawn44 (moo)
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To: chiller

When the govt. runs out of money, all social programs crash and burn, then they will learn.

Even though you’re right about the threat of national bankruptcy, I think a lot of voters don’t buy those warnings from the GOP, when the Romney campaign also continues to support unlimited spending on military budgets and initiatives. There may not be such as thing as a “free lunch,” but to hear GOP candidates and activists tell it, there are “free wars.” At least at first, Romney was criticizing Obama’s announcement that he would get us out of Afghanistan by 2014. Didn’t Romney even criticize the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq? And didn’t some of Romney’s advisors talk as if they wanted a war with Iran? Where’s the money going to come from, for all of that? We’ll have to borrow from China to invade Iran. You can’t really blame voters for tuning out lectures about deficits, from the same politicians who want to spend trillions more on foreign adventures.


15 posted on 11/24/2012 10:01:09 AM PST by WilliamIII
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sensing a post election slacking of interest, it’s as if the current mood is one of resignation and surrender.


16 posted on 11/24/2012 10:03:11 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment,a Matter of Fact,Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: All
I thought I read the other day that the "missing voters" are a myth.

After tallying all absentee ballots, provisional ballots, etc. Romney actually won more votes than McCain.

Is this incorrect?

17 posted on 11/24/2012 10:04:21 AM PST by what's up
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To: SeekAndFind

They have to stop discounting Romneycare. If he had not had Romneycare around his neck, he would not have been radioactive on this site during the primary season. He might well have moved out of his 40% primary election range and swept through the primary season in much better shape. Presumably, not having to attack/defend himself from Republican primary opponents would have saved money to run counter-ads to Obama smears. Even when Obamacare passed some distorted constitutional test in Roberts’ mind by his declaring it a “tax,” Romney was never able to pick up that ax and swing it, though initially from what leaked out ,there was some wavering in the camp to do just that. You really can’t find out from exit polls the reasons that people stayed home, only the reasons for the people who showed up voting as they did. Obamacare was the biggest political issue of the past four years and could have been far more and better exploited by another candidate. I believe that would have pulled millions more to the polls. I also believe Mormonism did hurt Romney, but not in the “evangelicals won’t vote for a Mormon” hypothesis. It was “I really hate it when those Mormon missionaries “ come around the neighborhood crowd. Door- to- door and approach -on -the- street salemanship and evangelism are important to many groups, but they are going to turn off the great majority of people like almost nothing else in everyday life does. I know the visceral “Yeccch” I experience when I’m approached by Jehovah’s witnesses or people trying to sell me siding at the buyer’s club. The very week several years ago that an Islamic extremist murdered a pregnant Jewish women in an attack at a Seattle synogogue, I heard a caller on local call-in show who identified herself as Jewish, complain not of Moslem terror, but of born again proselytizing. Again , I’m not criticizing either side of that transaction, but there is collateral political damage.


18 posted on 11/24/2012 10:05:40 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: what's up

Overall turnout as a percentage of the voting age population was down pretty significantly. From the growth of the voting age population, at 2008 participation , there would have been 5 million more votes, but 2012 turnout isn’t even going to match 2008.


19 posted on 11/24/2012 10:09:42 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: spawn44
Long lines were reported in Romney voting districts

Not generally in Virginia. The longest lines were in swing counties like Loudoun that went for Obama (although not by much). In my rural county the longest lines were at the one black/lib precinct (we are only 5% black). The county went 60-40 for Romney and at my white precinct there were stupid-looking fat chicks who I had never seen voting before, likely Obama voters. I also know (from day to day dealings) some of them and they just voting for Obama because they didn't like Romney. Considering that Romney was blasted with millions of dollars of negative ads (Planned Parenthood had their own anti-Romney ads every 10 minutes on the country station) it is no surprise he had such negatives.

20 posted on 11/24/2012 10:12:45 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: All

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21 posted on 11/24/2012 10:15:36 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: dirtboy
And this is why it is so vital that the Tea Party maintain its identity apart from the GOP.

Well put.

We need to recognize that the Republican Party is a party without an ideology, only an appetite (for power).

Nonetheless, it is the only vehicle available by which the Tea Party can achieve victory. A third party -- a "Tea Party" -- is a fool's errand that would ensure Democrat dominance for, literally, ever.

Best that the Tea Party remain aloof and independent from the Republican Party -- influencing from outside, beyond the party's control. But, at the same time, we need to actively infiltrate the party -- with the aim of eventually controlling the leadership.

This was how the radical left took over the Democrat party. In 1968, they were across the street, in Grant Park, protesting the Democrat National Convention. In 1972, they were inside the building.

22 posted on 11/24/2012 10:18:37 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Lancey Howard

“In other words, America is dead and gone.
I concur. It is every man for himself now. Good luck.”

Why not? Screw it all. Let’s go fishing.


23 posted on 11/24/2012 10:21:59 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: okie01
Well, the Tea Party has a lot of influence in Congress, but that will probably be for naught on certain issues where the GOP-E will just align with Democrats. We need to work on getting more and more RINOs booted in the 2014 elections and replaced with Tea Party conservatives so that a GOP-E/Dem coalition will no longer produce a voting majority.

For 2016, it is critical that conservatives coalesce around a single conservative option early on. Or else the conservative gaggle will just get Romneyfied again.

24 posted on 11/24/2012 10:24:59 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

I am still contending that Obama knew he had this election won before the first debate even took place. He showed up to that debate basically mailing it in.

I don’t think Obama lost voters. I think those were Romney votes which were mysteriously lost. I don’t buy into the 59 predicts and not 1 Romney vote.


25 posted on 11/24/2012 10:30:16 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (George W. Bush is the Emmanuel Goldstein of the modern era.)
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To: sergeantdave; Lancey Howard

Ditto !

Although, I gotta wait til hunting season’s over...


26 posted on 11/24/2012 10:30:56 AM PST by onona (It's a good day to celebrate life)
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To: unixfox

WE could also add to this the many hours the sheeple spend voting for an American Idol. This country is going down the crapper.


27 posted on 11/24/2012 10:32:34 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: WilliamIII
who parks his money in the Cayman Islands who parks his money in the Cayman Islands

I must have been working and missed this news.....Please post exact source.

28 posted on 11/24/2012 10:33:57 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: SeekAndFind

6-9 million white voters missing

assuming the gop make up 40% of those voting.. that would be about 56m

i said early on... 10-15% of the right will never vote for a mormon due to the differences in religion

that equates to 5.6 - 8.4m people... or 6-9 million if you round

(how much do they pay these political advisers again?)


29 posted on 11/24/2012 10:34:32 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: onona
Although, I gotta wait til hunting season’s over...

Be careful out there. Keep an eye out for illegal aliens, especially the Hmongs.

30 posted on 11/24/2012 10:37:43 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: gusopol3
2012 turnout isn’t even going to match 2008.

I understand that but that's largely because Obama got something like 5% less turnout. Which means he doesn't have a whole lot of political capital to make mistakes now.

But I believe Romney won more votes than McCain did last time around.

31 posted on 11/24/2012 10:38:41 AM PST by what's up
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I don’t think Obama lost voters.

Obama got 5% fewer votes than last time.

32 posted on 11/24/2012 10:40:10 AM PST by what's up
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To: timestax

I must have been working and missed this news.....Please post exact source.

You must have been sleeping for the last 12 months. Google it, you’ll find it easily, from credible sources. I’m not going to do research for somebody who hasn’t been following the news.


33 posted on 11/24/2012 10:40:29 AM PST by WilliamIII
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To: SeekAndFind
Vote destruction of Romney votes, focused primarily in the Swing States and primarily by 0bama's unions. Electronic voting machines cannot be trusted, especially with groups seeking to avoid a Romney presidency, such as 'Anonymous'. I do not, cannot and absolutely WILL NOT believe that Romney had less of a turn out of white voters than Bush did. Sorry. I followed the election then, and this one now. Enthusiasm for Romney was significant. The desire to boot 0bama's ass out of office was even MORE significant.

We've been 'HAD', as they say. Never trust an INELIGIBLE president and a FRAUD with a STOLEN birth certificate, STOLEN social security numbers and FORGED selective service card to allow an election to transpire honestly and without corruption, meddling and FRAUD.

The biggest FRAUD ever perpetrated on the American people is 0bama and his presidency. The second biggest FRAUD ever is the 2012 election, RIGGED by our government and their puppet unions. We want to believe that our election was free and fair. What's free and fair when the DOJ AG Eric Holder pursues ANYONE seeking to implement Voter I.D. laws? Hmmmm.. I wonder why 0bama pushed Early Voting and CRUSHING anyone who wanted voters to prove who they were at the polls? This election was a CROCK OF B.S. and more of the same from the CRIMINAL REGIME.

34 posted on 11/24/2012 10:47:39 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: what's up

you are right about the Romney vote.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AjYj9mXElO_QdHpla01oWE1jOFZRbnhJZkZpVFNKeVE&toomany=true

This is a good place to follow it. There’s supposed to be a better one on the Cook report, but I don’t see why anyone needs more than this for this type of discussion.

This is a great place for historical statistics

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/


35 posted on 11/24/2012 10:49:02 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: unixfox

All those people standing in line and beating each other up were definitely BO voters. That’s who they are.


36 posted on 11/24/2012 10:50:56 AM PST by dandiegirl
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To: SeekAndFind

I do think that a lot of it was just that the social conservatives either decided that they could not support a Mormon or that Romney did not share their values, and they just decided not to vote. If that is the case, then they just committed political suicide. Romney’s defeat really marks the end of social conservatism as a viable political movement. In the next 4 years, Obama will appoint at least 2 and maybe 3 Supreme Court justices, all of which will be of the hard left variety, like Sotomayor and Kagan. Once he’s done, the liberals are going to steamroll over the entire conservative social agenda, flattening it like a pancake, and constitutionalizing the entire liberal social agenda. I suppose once that happens, people like Ryan and Santorum can talk about conservative social issues if they want, but there won’t be anything they can do to implement them.


37 posted on 11/24/2012 10:58:01 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Do you think they destroyed Romney votes or just kept a pool of people on call they’d drive to various precincts to vote as many times as they’d need them? In the Prosser election , Kathy Nickolaus in Waukesha county did a very effective thing by holding back vote totals until the Dems reported from their strongholds. She’s the only Republican who’s had the guts to do that in my memory. Meanwhile, currently for the November 6 election, California and New York in particular are still counting huge numbers of ballots. So why should Republican jurisdictions be any more fastidious about rapid reporting than the Democrats are/ we ought to hold, hold, hold, until the Dems have no idea what the target they have to shoot for is. It’s irrefutable that this happens, look at Hillary campaign’s complaints about Gary IN in the primary against Obama 4 years ago.


38 posted on 11/24/2012 10:59:24 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

This regime can’t even call a TERRORIST ATTACK ON OUR EMBASSY ON 9/11 A ‘TERRORIST ATTACK’. They’re STILL laying smoke screens, cries of ‘racism’, blah blah blah.. I don’t trust ANYTHING this regime says or does. 0bama has his unions engaged in a SHUT DOWN of our private sector to propel his mission of ‘government takeover’ of our economy FORWARD. If they can shut down iconic American companies like Hostess at the expense of 18,500 employees, just imagine what they can do in Swing State precincts. Conspiracy? YES.


39 posted on 11/24/2012 11:06:30 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: unixfox

I refuse to believe we didn’t have a turnout

we had voter fraud through electronic voting machines


40 posted on 11/24/2012 11:07:36 AM PST by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder how many of the missing votes were ballots (mostly conservative) cast by the military but not counted in time.


41 posted on 11/24/2012 11:08:58 AM PST by tbw2
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To: unixfox

It’s amazing how people will stand in line for hours for black Friday, football games, concerts, the latest iphone, etc. but could care less aboiut voting.

Goodness this is so easy. The shoppers have something they want to purchase. The GOP did not give anybody someone to vote for or at someone that shares their values and conservative beliefs. The GOP gave people a choice between liberal and liberal lite.....heck the two share very few differences. That was the easiest answer ever on FR!


42 posted on 11/24/2012 11:16:50 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: gusopol3
I think vote destruction of Romney votes exceeded multiple or fabricated votes for 0bama. The former is easier than the latter and would also account for the MYTH of 'lower white turnout'. Voting avails itself to fraud, but in this age of hackers and clever programming, electronic voting machines are worthless. Also, who counts the votes? Was it Scytl? The vote COUNTER can change everything!

I remember what Kathy did in Wisconsin and that was sheer brilliance if indeed the withholding was intentional. If intentional, it's a sad commentary on the inclinations of the opposition, eh?

43 posted on 11/24/2012 11:17:16 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: tbw2
Oh yes, and that plane that crashed with military ballots on board. LOL! THAT was a good one. LOL! HAHAAAA HAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA HAA HAAAHAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HA HA HA.

Oh, and.. HA HAAAAA HAAAAHAAHAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAA.. Oh, sorry.. Here: Military Absentee Ballots Delivered One Day Late, Would Have Swung Election For Romney

White turnout goes OVERBOARD: "Twelve boxes of ballots were dropped overboard during delivery to the USS Kearsarge (LHD-3) in the Persian Gulf, then while the ship sailed to Bahrain, postal clerks allegedly pocketed whatever ballots they wanted."

44 posted on 11/24/2012 11:27:20 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mitt is a Mormon, not a Christian.
Mitt is a RINO, not a conservative.
Mitt is a white guy, not a negro like obammy.
Instead of choosing Rubio which would have garnered at least a few Latin votes he chose A conservative white guy that brought squat in votes.
And I really like Ryan, would have preferred him in the top spot and maybe Mitt as county dog catcher or maybe heading up dept of bidness.


45 posted on 11/24/2012 11:34:19 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: dirtboy
For 2016, it is critical that conservatives coalesce around a single conservative option early on. Or else the conservative gaggle will just get Romneyfied again.

Have you any idea who that might be?

I don't either...

46 posted on 11/24/2012 11:43:37 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: spawn44

“I don’t buy this articles take. Romney rose in the polls late in the race, the voters didn’t abandon him. Long lines were reported in Romney voting districts. The longest that most voters had ever seen. This contradicts the results of the election count. I don’t trust anything the socialist democrats have their commie hands in. NOTHING”. No one wants to confront the fraud


47 posted on 11/24/2012 12:28:14 PM PST by stickywillie (EE)
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To: spawn44

“I don’t buy this articles take. Romney rose in the polls late in the race, the voters didn’t abandon him. Long lines were reported in Romney voting districts. The longest that most voters had ever seen. This contradicts the results of the election count. I don’t trust anything the socialist democrats have their commie hands in. NOTHING”. No one wants to confront the fraud


48 posted on 11/24/2012 12:28:14 PM PST by stickywillie (EE)
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To: SeekAndFind

One more time. They aren’t missing. They did vote. Their votes just were not counted. Again, I have been voting in the same building in VA for 20 years. I have NEVER waited in line until this last election. There was a line out to the street ALL DAY. Yet they claim there were less voters than in 2008. Bullshit.


49 posted on 11/24/2012 12:33:22 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The voters who showed up on Election Day identified more closely with Obama than Romney...yeah, like those who voted for Saint FDR identified more closely with him - once upon a time voters wanted someone to look up to, someone perceived to be more competent and perceptive than the man in the street - now they want someone "like" themselves - all very bizarre.....
50 posted on 11/24/2012 12:41:51 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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