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Posted on 11/25/2012 11:04:56 AM PST by Moseley
Even though that will cost me higher taxes on dividends, I prefer the fiscal cliff. At least it will curb spending on borrowed money.
I fear that there is no other way for democrat voters to learn their lessons, and letting Obama and the democrat “leadership” take us into the “mother of all depressions” might be it.
Greece and Spain are in depression, yet, the people there still haven’t learned their lessons. so, a prolonged depression might be the best lesson before those people, and we, come to grip with reality.
I’ve been thinking the same thing since the beginning of this latest Kabuki dance. The best policy for the GOP is to just let this happen. They will be blamed for the fall out, but ultimately the Dem’s won the election, so whatever follows is on them.
Let's not forget that the MSM will not let this message get out. True, we have alternate media via the Internet, but there are still too many people who watch and believe what they hear from the likes of Sam Donaldson, Matt Lauer and Katie Couric.
Until someone with half a brain can take over one of these outlets and starts broadcasting the truth the mindless liberal masses out there will never hear of the mess we're in until the rioting, robberies and arsons start.
Agree? Disagree?
The GOP, with boner at the helm, will do everything possible to undermine itself. You can take that to the bank.
IMHO the GOP should agree to a tax increase for the rich in return for the cuts in spending. Result will be a rebellion by the Dems against the deal because they truly do not want cuts in entitlements. We keep forgetting the deal is not just tax increases, but also entitlement cuts. If the Dems try to modify the entitlement cut schedule, GOP has the pretext to back out of the deal by pointing out that they concede on taxes the Dems must make concessions also. Dem hardliners may argue that the GOP agreed to modified tax increases on the rich only, thus the Dems have the right to modify entitlement cuts. Problem is Dems now argue against sparing the middle class from tax increases???!!! If this game is played properly, the Dems can be hung on their own arguments. Obama gave the GOP an opening, I say take it and agree tax increases for rich. Now the Dems will gag over entitlement cuts and the mess they will be in as they try to squirm out of it.
It could cost me my job, but it is the only leverage we have.
I honestly believe these people will never, ever show the courage to turn off the fiscal spigot. And as a result, I do not care what they do..as I believe none of it will have an impact.
These idiots will do their best to kick the can down the road, while at the same time waving flags and flashing lights in order to distract the people.
Americans will wake up sometime next year to find China and Russia in charge and tel aviv, Damascus, and Cairo in smoldering heaps.
I love my country. I despise those in government so concerned with their personal reelection that they refuse to make changes. In the end there not a lot of alternatives, and none of them are good.
The only trouble with that is that it will be just like it was with Reagan and Bush I. GOP will raise taxes and Dems will promptly renege on spending cuts.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.Given that the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution the specific power to tax and spend for healthcare purposes, Congress has no Section 8 authority to establish or lay taxes for programs like Obamacare for example.
Next, here's my estimate for the ceiling of how much Section 8 should be costing taxpayers per year which I really don't see other patriots also questioning for some reason. Given the plurality of clauses in Section 8 are defense related, and given that the Department of Defense (DoD) budget for 2011 was $600+ billion, I will generously round the DoD annual budget for '11 up to $1 trillion, probably much less, as a rough estimate as to how much Section 8 should be costing taxpayers per year.
In other words, we shouldn't be hearing about multi-trillion dollar federal budgets that the corrupt media, including Fx News, is often reporting while ignoring Justice Marshall's case precedent in public policy discussions.
And for the record, I'm convinced that Fx News' silence about Section 8 and Justice Marshall's case precedent in conjunction with constitutionally indefensible federal taxing and spending programs like Obamacare is evidence that Fx is a part of the Left's propaganda machine.
Finally, speaking of Congress's constitutionally limited powers, below is third-party evidence that Congress is wrongly ignoring its Article V (Constitution) requirement to successfully petition the states to ratify amendments to the Constitution to grant Congress specific new powers. Such amendments are necessary to grant Congress the power to regulate, tax and spend for federal programs like Obamacare for example.
Regarding the evidence, consider that (former?) House member Jessie Jackson Jr. has been repeatedly proposing a resolution for a healthcare amendment for years. But govtrack.us notes that any proposal beginning with "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution," is wrongly ignored by Section 8-ignoring Congress (my wording).
"The resolution's title starts with "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United." (-10%)" --H.J.Res. 30: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right ...
Thanks for posting that link. And I did I watch parts of the video.
Regardless that the narrarator and people interviewed seemed genuinely concerned about the debt and government money policy, or lack thereof, I didn’t hear anything concerning Congress’s Article I, Section 8-limited powers or Justice John Mashall’s official clarification that Congress is prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power issues.
Most constituents in both political parties are dependent on government for their incomes and will push against the spending cuts, but the spending cuts need to happen and shouldn’t be stopped.
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