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On Obamacare, I Won't Comply
Townhall.com ^ | November 26, 2012 | John Ransom

Posted on 11/26/2012 6:19:32 AM PST by Kaslin

Americans know instinctively that when liberals start talking about deficit reduction that’s it’s just a case of the fantods, as Huckleberry Finn would say. And say what you will about old Huck, but he knew a couple of frauds when he saw them.       

No matter what liberal “Wonks” like Ezra Klein say about the historically dumb healthcare “reform” known as Obamcare, Americans are uneasy about it.

And they should be.

The best thing- as Democrat strategist James Carville admitted last year- that could have happened for the Democrats is for the Supreme Court to have tossed out the landmark legislation that bears Obama's name.

But that didn't happen, so now the Democrats are stuck trying to make another bad law work.   

Obamacare supporters like Ezra Klein, instead of trying to fix the problem continue to play dirty pool when it comes to healthcare reform.  They now count it as a deficit fighter, when in fact, it’s no such thing.

Unless of course you count any bill with a tax increase in it as a deficit fighter. A defense contract could be a deficit fighter too, if a defense contract was designed just like Obamacare.

Here let me show you the slight of hand that liberals did to claim Obamacare fights the deficit.

Say, for example, that when we decommission the old Nimitz-class carriers we then replace them with the newer Gerald Ford class of carriers at $15 billion a clip. Let’s say, in this example, that we then raise taxes 3.8 percent on people who go over a certain income limit, to an extent that we not only pay for each carrier but we also create a surplus of $100 billion that we can apply to the deficit- just as they did in Obamcare. Actually in the case of the aircraft carriers, the exact same tax increase that the used for Obamacare would pay for the carriers and leave a surplus of $180 billion over the same period, almost twice what Obamacare claims. 

Then we could pass both the replacement aircraft carrier budget authorization and the tax increase in one bundle- just as they did with Obamacare- and call it the The American Affordable Defense Act (AADA).   

Then any time someone threatens to scrap the Ford class carriers we could cry out “But getting rid of the AADA would add to the deficit!”

While the typical American doesn’t necessarily know the ins and outs of Obamacare, the same confidence game has been played on them so may times that they are wise to it.  

Counting on public stupidity to see a massive new spending program, like Obamacare, as some sort of deficit fighter, because THEY SAY IT IS, just shows you how weak the original case for Obamacare was in the first place.

And only in Washington can you start off entitlement reform that’s supposed to reduce spending, by ushering in a massive new government program that will greatly grow government spending. And then pat yourself on the back for it.  

Wasn’t it the same type of entitlement Ponzi scheme that gave us the problem in the first place?

Wonks and politicians may not see it, but those guys are in the process of self term-limiting out of business anyway- either by votes or by pageviews. 2010 was just a preview, not a conclusion even accepting the standstill in the 2012 election.

Readers know that I hate to pick on the Washington Post this way, but I don’t know anyone who would willingly call themselves a wonk in the first place. The Post’s Wonk brand is stuck in the Way-Back Machine of the 1990s.

The Wonk Disneyland, known as DC, is exactly what gets us these kinds of political and mathematical ruses that pass for solutions these day. The only choice we will have soon is to stop complying with fefderal mandates like Obamacare.   

Bceause Americans continue to favor repeal of Obamacare.

The Supreme Court decision calling Obamacare a tax will likely reinforce the opinion that it’s a flawed piece of legislation that greatly expands government bureaucracy at a time when Americans think that government is doing too much not too little.

You can pass Obamacare as a deficit measure and call it Constitutional -and then wonk about it all you want. But Americans know the truth.

Obamacare, like the tax on tea that saw a load of it dumped into Boston Harbor in 1773, is just plain dumb.  And both also go against natural law.  

I won't comply.


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1 posted on 11/26/2012 6:19:38 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

IF, by some miracle, a Republican gains control of the White House and Republicans retake the Senate, could this obamanation of a law still be repealed? Or will it have taken to great of a hold to where we just have to live with it?


2 posted on 11/26/2012 6:22:44 AM PST by NCC-1701 (The LEFT's intolerance of the RIGHT is intolerable.)
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To: Kaslin

“I won’t comply.”

Funny stuff there. Maybe they’ll reserve a room for you right next to Irwin Schiff in the graybar hotel.

Empty words annoy me.


3 posted on 11/26/2012 6:38:02 AM PST by brownsfan (It's over.)
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To: Kaslin

The individual mandate for the first few years is only $95 per year (till about 2016) so for young healthy males it makes no sense for them to buy health insurance under O-care rules.


4 posted on 11/26/2012 6:39:50 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: NCC-1701

“IF, by some miracle, a Republican gains control of the White House and Republicans retake the Senate, could this obamanation of a law still be repealed? Or will it have taken to great of a hold to where we just have to live with it?”

The only way that Obamacare would be repealed is that it is so horribly implemented that everyone in the US is negatively impacted, including the media. Then, the media would inform the stupid public that it’s Obamacare that is screwing up their life. Then, the media would have to endorse Republicans so that in 2016 the GOP holds the House, Senate and White House.

Anything short of that, and it’s here to stay. I’d say you have better chances with a powerball ticket.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 6:41:45 AM PST by brownsfan (It's over.)
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To: NCC-1701
IF, by some miracle.....

I, for one am not counting on a miracle....

....the 47+% are sitting out there like a big steaming pile of dog shit, ignorant, uneducated and oblivious of anything going on around them.....and worse, their votes count as much as any other American's or illegal aliens..

...the miracle would be that somehow they were all lured to some other place on election day other than the polling place, or EVERYONE of their 'rat "rat handlers" ran out of gas, or money and couldn't deliver their vote..

....OR...

...the really big miracle would be that somehow their vote didn't count since they could not prove that they had a lifetime of positive tax payments to the US treasury...in Obama's language...they had "skin in the game".

6 posted on 11/26/2012 6:44:28 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give WAR a chance.......)
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To: brownsfan

We should have been able to take the Senate over if it hadn’t been for those idiots who sat on their butts instead of going out and vote


7 posted on 11/26/2012 6:44:36 AM PST by Kaslin ( One Big Ass Mistake America (Make that Two))
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To: Kaslin

“We should have been able to take the Senate over if it hadn’t been for those idiots who sat on their butts instead of going out and vote”

Those who stayed home are stupid, plain and simple. While voting and ignoring the POTUS race was an option, it’s still a stupid one. And anyone who says Romney would have done what Obama is doing in his second term is stupid, stone cold, stupid.


8 posted on 11/26/2012 6:49:31 AM PST by brownsfan (It's over.)
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To: Kaslin

We made a big mistake in attacking Obamacare in the courts by focusing on the jugular known as the individual mandate.

Ignoring the remaining 2599 pages of unconstitutional provisions and mandates meant that if we missed the jugular, the entire law would be upheld by the Supreme Court by default because they had no stomach for ruling on the entire bill.

It is now time for us to demonstrate to the Supreme Court why THEY TOO must protect and defend the constitution, because they have opened themselves up to an entire slew of follow up challenges to the law that will eventually force them to either reverse their own decision or literally shred the constitution before our eyes.

Republican COWARDS in congress depended upon We The People for a 2nd mandate at the polls to reverse this POS legislation. Now they will pay the price.

The only good thing about Obamacare is that it will ween the American consumer off of healthcare insurance alltogether... which is really the primary reason healthcare costs have gotten so high to begin with.

I for one will not comply either.
I will do so by claiming exemption for religious reasons.
Christians like Muslims believe that insurance is a form of gambling... therefore, I claim the same right that Muslims have under the law to exemption for that reason.

Denying me that same right defined for Muslims in Obamacare would be unconstitutional under the establishment of religion clause.


9 posted on 11/26/2012 6:57:49 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: Kaslin

The most sensible alternative to the horrors of Obamacare are boiled down to one thing: set up an American created and run medical enclave just south of the border in Mexico.

To start with, the enclave would work on a cash basis, no insurance, USG funding, or other such expensive nonsense. As has been seen in the US, cash only medical care is only half as expensive.

It would have a much better legal environment to operate in, lots of qualified, English speaking Mexican medical personnel and support staff, with American physicians and surgeons, much less expensive pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.

It would also be in a secure area, to keep out riff raff from both sides of the border. American built hospitals and accommodations, and likely a nursing home housing area for rehabilitation and extended care (at just a fraction of the US cost).

All told, it would be a win-win, for everybody but the socialist Obamacare types.


10 posted on 11/26/2012 6:58:27 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Kaslin

It amazes me that the party of lazy losers (takers) had the motivation to get out and vote whereas the the party of ambition and opportunity (makers) couldn’t be bothered to get out and vote.


11 posted on 11/26/2012 7:00:45 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: brownsfan
“I won’t comply.”

Funny stuff there. Maybe they’ll reserve a room for you right next to Irwin Schiff in the graybar hotel.

Empty words annoy me.

Let them throw me in jail for non-compliance. I'm old,I'll cash out my retirement and give it to my kids and go to jail where I'll get three squares, free room and medical, TV and clothing. Yeah! Throw me into the briarpatch there Br'er Fox.

12 posted on 11/26/2012 7:01:26 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Kaslin
Congress finally tired of direct management of the postal service only when there were so many service problems their staffers couldn't get anything else done.

It's just a matter of time before Congress collapses under the barrage of complaints concerning their health care plan.

We have two Democrat Senators in Virginia. They will, in due course, rue the day they ran for public office ~ I for one will shortly begin my physical health complaint of the week ~ copy to each!

13 posted on 11/26/2012 7:02:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

Won’t comply? How so? I don’t like the income tax and would like to not comply either...but I also like living in my house instead of a federal prison.


14 posted on 11/26/2012 7:10:38 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; Kaslin
The most sensible alternative to the horrors of Obamacare are boiled down to one thing: set up an American created and run medical enclave just south of the border in Mexico.

You might not be aware but medical tourism is already well established and growing.

Several Central American countries have already established close relationships with established American medical institutions and have built hospitals. Also, you don't have to pay cash. International health insurance is offered by several companies.

One recommendation I would offer is drop your insurance in the USA, buy an international plan, establish a relationship with a Doctor who has admitting privileges at a hospital you like and in the event something bad happens and you can't leave the USA buy insurance from an exchange on the way to a hospital. I doubt most people will do this, but some will and 15 years from now we will read stories about how "unfair" it is that they have better healthcare.

15 posted on 11/26/2012 7:19:22 AM PST by wmfights
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To: pgkdan

I won’t comply either. And yes, I’m willing to go to jail over this. Some things are more important than comfort.


16 posted on 11/26/2012 7:35:26 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Pardon my skepticism, but I’ll believe it when I see it.


17 posted on 11/26/2012 7:39:02 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The most sensible alternative to the horrors of Obamacare are boiled down to one thing: set up an American created and run medical enclave just south of the border in Mexico.

Exactly my prediction after Obama was re-elected.

18 posted on 11/26/2012 7:39:30 AM PST by The Duke
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To: NCC-1701
IF, by some miracle, a Republican gains control of the White House and Republicans retake the Senate, could this obamanation of a law still be repealed? Or will it have taken to great of a hold to where we just have to live with it?

On one condition: The Republicans in question would have to be those who have a spine and a brain. In other words, it would be highly unlikely.

19 posted on 11/26/2012 7:46:29 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Oh the party of ambition and opportunity producers voted all right. WE WAS ROBBED! Just like in so many other elections of the last decades. And until the American People grow the cajones to accept that fact, and actually do something about it, our country will continue to be stolen and dismantled right in front of our disbelieving eyes.


20 posted on 11/26/2012 7:50:27 AM PST by Desparado
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To: pgkdan

I’m Catholic. It won’t be the first time we’ve been arrested for practicing our faith.


21 posted on 11/26/2012 7:51:41 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“I won’t comply either.”

Neither will I, and here’s another way to describe that noncomplance.

Remember when Nazi Pelosi said, “Hey, quit your job, start a band, be an artist, live, love and be happy—free health care!”? (In her inimitable ditzy manner.)
http://www.saveyourrights.com/healthcare/nancy-pelosi-touting-free-healthcare-to-some-to-be-paid-by-the-rest-of-us/

It’s our answer to Cloward-Piven. They aren’t expecting those of us who are producers to put down our tools and keyboards and climb on board the `gravy train’ with their people. Call it `going mini-Galt’ or whatever.
The sun eventually goes down in the west, regardless of quantitative easing (or whatever they want to call patching a muffler with duct tape) and the cows make their way home and the chickens eventually roost.
This just speeds up the process. Zero will blame blame Bush but the whole house of cards of collapses, and it doesn’t take long. The left becomes irrelevant since “a hungry stomach knows no politics.”
Those of us who remember how to work, well, we start over and we don’t make the same mistakes again so that we don’t wind up with another “Great Society.” You don’t work, you don’t eat. Period.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 8:03:06 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice

Oh, I’ve actually gone Galt. I work enough to meet my needs.


23 posted on 11/26/2012 8:09:17 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: NCC-1701

Politically speaking it would never be repealed. What they would do is modify it and gut it of as many obamacare key provisions as possible based on votes available. They would leave pieces like pre-existing conditions, allow insurance companies to cross state lines. While the pre-existing conditions portion is costly you will never get rid of it now. Too late. Unfortunately that’s where we are - in the best case model.


24 posted on 11/26/2012 8:21:06 AM PST by plain talk
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To: NCC-1701

Politically speaking it would never be repealed. What they would do is modify it and gut it of as many obamacare key provisions as possible based on votes available. They would leave pieces like pre-existing conditions, allow insurance companies to cross state lines. While the pre-existing conditions portion is costly you will never get rid of it now. Too late. Unfortunately that’s where we are - in the best case model.


25 posted on 11/26/2012 8:22:50 AM PST by plain talk
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To: JCBreckenridge

Same here.
I used to drive by a basketball court on my way in to work and see guys about my age playing round-ball, going and coming, others with fishing poles.
And I would think, “That’s OK, I’ve got health insurance.”
Now I’m self-employed, like you working enough to pay bills, and I’ll see the same thing and they will have `health insurance.’
Well, they can find someone else to pay for it. To hell with “social justice” and “re-distribution.”


26 posted on 11/26/2012 8:33:36 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Kaslin

Many of us will not comply


27 posted on 11/26/2012 8:34:05 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Don Corleone

*****”Let them throw me in jail for non-compliance. I’m old,I’ll cash out my retirement and give it to my kids and go to jail where I’ll get three squares, free room and medical, TV and clothing. Yeah! Throw me into the briarpatch there Br’er Fox.”******

It is my Retirement Plan

TT


28 posted on 11/26/2012 8:46:48 AM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: brownsfan

“Those who stayed home are stupid, plain and simple.”

How does calling people stupid win them over to our side? That’s stupid.


29 posted on 11/26/2012 8:55:18 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: sickoflibs
The individual mandate for the first few years is only $95 per year

Pay a tax for NOT buying something just does not sound American.
30 posted on 11/26/2012 8:55:29 AM PST by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)
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To: Owl558

“How does calling people stupid win them over to our side? That’s stupid.”

And what do you seek to win? How do you define a win? Bend to the will of the uneducated masses as Jindal and Rubio wish for us to do?

Or are you saying that those that stayed home because Romney wasn’t pure enough aren’t really stupid, and that Obama is no worse than Romney? Do you really want to engage in that debate?

Are you saying that if the proper conservative is offered up, then these people will be motivated? And you’d like me to refrain from accurately describing those who would make the perfect the enemy of the good?

No sale.


31 posted on 11/26/2012 9:03:07 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: tumblindice
Yep, self employed and I have made enough for the year to survive, taking December off to relax and do some capital investments with what little I might be taxed on. I will invest in my rentals, my Sep-IRA and my husbands IRA and take the risk of losing in the stock market before I will send one dime to DC.

I am going to invest my money in American business and take the risk of a bad economy before I will "invest" in our Marxist government.

32 posted on 11/26/2012 9:03:35 AM PST by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Foolsgold; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...
RE :”The individual mandate for the first few years is only $95 per year
......
Pay a tax for NOT buying something just does not sound American.”

Practically its not all that much different than giving you a ‘tax credit’ for doing something and then raising every-ones taxes by a similar amount so only those who don't do it pay the higher taxes.

Here in lib Maryland a neighbor gets a forced subsidy from the power company (~ 2K per year) mandated by state law for using solar panels, and the company just raises our rates to pay for it. Practically we are being fined there but they dont call it that, its hidden.
They also gave him ‘tax credits’ in the first place for buying the panels while they raised a number of our taxes at the same time. So he buys the panels and we pay (him) for our not buying them.

The Obama-care mandate fine/tax is similar to those examples practically except Obama wanted to claim its a fine and not a tax to avoid more resistance to it.

My point is we are already serfs, it's just the other cases are better hidden.

BTW : The R candidate Romney was the first to implement that 'unAmerican' idea.

33 posted on 11/26/2012 9:28:30 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: Kaslin

34 posted on 11/26/2012 9:43:05 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: sickoflibs

I agree. Have you ever tried to make a twenty something do anything? Can’t be done. Millions of these kids just will do the passive agressive thing and not sign up. Sadly that is what Obama and his merry band of criminals (the Democrat legislature) are banking on. They don’t really want everyone covered by insurance. What they really want is the penalty/tax. They are praying millions don’t sign up because then they can collect revenues without having to pay out new expenditures for treatment.

As Carville would say “its a tax stupid”


35 posted on 11/26/2012 9:48:03 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: sickoflibs

I agree. Have you ever tried to make a twenty something do anything? Can’t be done. Millions of these kids just will do the passive agressive thing and not sign up. Sadly that is what Obama and his merry band of criminals (the Democrat legislature) are banking on. They don’t really want everyone covered by insurance. What they really want is the penalty/tax. They are praying millions don’t sign up because then they can collect revenues without having to pay out new expenditures for treatment.

As Carville would say “its a tax stupid”


36 posted on 11/26/2012 9:48:03 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Would have to hire a lot of security personnell to keep the drug cartel away.


37 posted on 11/26/2012 9:48:36 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: pgkdan

Until they change the rules the IRS supposedly can’t go after you for not paying the insurance tax the way they can FIT. So I plan on just paying FIT and making sure I’m not due any return that they can deduct the insurance tax from.


38 posted on 11/26/2012 9:53:22 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Georgia Girl 2
RE :”I agree. Have you ever tried to make a twenty something do anything? Can’t be done. Millions of these kids just will do the passive agressive thing and not sign up. Sadly that is what Obama and his merry band of criminals (the Democrat legislature) are banking on. They don’t really want everyone covered by insurance. What they really want is the penalty/tax. They are praying millions don’t sign up because then they can collect revenues without having to pay out new expenditures for treatment.”

Close but not exactly. It's worse than that.

NYS imposed a ban on pre-existing conditions without the mandate and so young people just didnt sign up until they were sick. That in effect raised the price and encouraged more to do the same raising the price even more. It was a disaster but these are the same fools who think price controls in an emergency help them.

So at the national level the private companies get bankrupted because the fine is so small and so people wait till they are sick to buy insurance, or the rising price drives more ininsured,
And that will be used to get voters to demand FURTHER expansion of Obama-care-medicaid to even higher incomes, for compassion and fairness. Its called ‘single payer’ what the libs wanted to begin with.

39 posted on 11/26/2012 9:58:19 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: sickoflibs

Yes the final Progressive objective is to get rid of private health insurance.


40 posted on 11/26/2012 10:01:17 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
RE :”Yes the final Progressive objective is to get rid of private health insurance.”

The fine is so small that the government won't make much from it, and the bill specifically forbids the IRS from taking punitive action for NOT paying it, unlike the income tax.

So as the insurance companies get raked they either raise their rates or drop the whole business, making things worse.

This will lead to public support for further expanding medicaid as I said, AND making the mandate tax bigger and more punitive as those not insured will either be demonized or made into victims of the greedy companies depending on income.

41 posted on 11/26/2012 10:15:43 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: Rusty0604

A lot of that goes into the set up. For example, the enclave should be in a (from the Mexican point of view) rural area. On the north side, an airstrip and access to transportation.

Gated access to and from, for authorized Mexicans from the south side of the enclave only; for authorized Americans to and from the north side only.

As such, you try and minimize and border crossing value to the cartels or for illegals. No illegal drug market in the enclave, or on either side; no easy access to or crossing of the border; no free access to medically uninvolved people.

About the only angle would be to try and hijack supply trucks going to the enclave. But even that would be easy to stop with a private highway.


42 posted on 11/26/2012 10:24:21 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: brownsfan

“And what do you seek to win?”

Umm...votes.

You didn’t answer my question. How does calling people stupid win their vote?

It obviously doesn’t. A lot of us are still venting, but at some point a little political introspection might be wise for all of us. You don’t win elections by being condescending. You come off sounding like that which you decry.


43 posted on 11/26/2012 10:32:43 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Owl558

“Umm...votes.

You didn’t answer my question. How does calling people stupid win their vote?

It obviously doesn’t. A lot of us are still venting, but at some point a little political introspection might be wise for all of us. You don’t win elections by being condescending. You come off sounding like that which you decry.”

A fair point.

I guess I’ve written them off. If a candidate is constantly required to pass a “purity test” in addition to fending off a liberal media, and a corrupt opponent, it’s just too much to expect of someone.

Honestly, I don’t expect us to survive. I’m hoping to survive the coming crash, and possibly move to a newly constituted “Red States of America”.


44 posted on 11/26/2012 10:37:52 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: NCC-1701

I’m thinking the Pubbies are “in on it”.........


45 posted on 11/26/2012 10:39:17 AM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: sickoflibs

My personal belief about Obamacare is that it was designed by a bunch of demented morons and it is so flawed and unpopular it will collapse under its own weight in several years. Getting it off the ground with 14-17 states not cooperting and half the folks not even bothering to sign up is just going to be impossible. The GOP will sabateauge it at every opportunity. The economic collapse which is surely coming will finish it off.


46 posted on 11/26/2012 10:42:39 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

>> “The most sensible alternative to the horrors of Obamacare are boiled down to one thing: set up an American created and run medical enclave just south of the border in Mexico.” <<

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There already is one in Ensenada, called “Adios Cancer” and it is an astounding success.


47 posted on 11/26/2012 10:43:03 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

>> “The GOP will sabateauge it at every opportunity.” <<

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You’re dreaming!

Boehner has promised to bend over for Obama.


48 posted on 11/26/2012 10:45:29 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: wmfights
drop your insurance in the USA, buy an international plan

Never thought about an international plan. Do you have any good links to such plans?

49 posted on 11/26/2012 11:05:24 AM PST by what's up
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To: editor-surveyor

Boehnor bends over for everybody. But if he gets the chance to knife it without losing his seat he will. As I mentioned other factors besides the pubbies will do Obamacare in.


50 posted on 11/26/2012 12:03:33 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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