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"Per your stats 75,857 Utahns who voted for Obama converted to Romney this go-round"

The table says nothing of the kind. Yours is a a patently absurd conjecture without any cite to exit polling.

"Given that per your source, 72.62% of Utahns voted for Romney, 72.62% of the additional 63,000 new Utah voters = 45,751. IOW, of the 67,843 additional Romney voters (vs. McCain), 45,751 of them can simply be explained by new Utah adult-age voters coming of age...simple growth of the state itself. It says NOTHING of Romney's voter-capturing prowess. (McCain did NOT have access to those 63,000 in 2008...as they were popping pimples then!)"

Your paralogism doesn't stand up to scrutiny. One, Utah voter turnout percentage by both registered voter and by voting age is on a steady, precipitous long-term decline in Utah.

This is confirmed by Adam Brown's study of Michael McDonald's Voting Elegible Population (VEP) data points as well.

Year	Utah’s VEP	Votes cast for president	Turnout as % of VEP
2012	1,835,666	1,019,810	55.5%
2008	1,746,298	952,370	54.5%
2004	1,574,463	927,844	58.9%
2000	1,431,668	770,754	53.8%
1996	1,326,919	665,629	50.2%
1992	1,162,363	743,999	64.0%
1988	1,043,170	647,008	62.0%
1984	998,820	629,656	63.0%
1980	915,484	604,222	66.0%

In fact, Brown refutes your assertions directly.

"Reporting turnout as a percentage of registered voters can also produce misleading trends. In 2010, Utah’s election officials claimed that turnout was the best for a midterm election in Utah in 16 years. With a little research, however, one learns the reason for this “improvement”: Fewer Utahns were registered to vote in 2010 than in previous years, inflating the turnout percentage when measured as a percentage of registered voters. When measured correctly (as a percentage of VEP), Utah’s turnout in 2010 was actually worse than every midterm election since 1994 except (barely) 2006."

There go your random numbers picked out of thin air.

Two, and more importantly, "pimple poppers" went nationwide for Obama over 60%. No evidence presented to suggest it was any less in Utah (and Mia Love's loss insinuates as much).

Therefore, Romney's huge leap forward in vote total over McCrisis could not possibly have come from 'pimple poppers'; far more likely it came from motivated Mormons.

Face it, you're one of those people who likes to say ridiculous sh!t in hopes that someone will school you and you learn what the actual answer is.

I've seen your kind all my life and I find it a detestable display of bad manners. But you have to live with yourself, Freetard, not me.

Me: "Per your stats 75,857 Utahns who voted for Obama converted to Romney this go-round"

You: The table says nothing of the kind. Yours is a a patently absurd conjecture without any cite to exit polling.

Sure it does. Ya don't need to cite exit polling when the voting stats that YOU provided are right there...go back to the table you sourced...

In 2008, how many voted for Obama? Answer: 327,670
In 2012, how many voted for Obama? Answer: 251,813

It is simple subtraction...You subtract those #s and 75,857 Utahns withdrew their Obama support ('12 vs. '08)

Since Romney had about 144,000+ more votes than McCain in 2012, it's obvious just about all those voters went to Romney...they didn't simply evaporate into thin air!

Why do you complicate such a simple math issue?

...more importantly, "pimple poppers" went nationwide for Obama over 60%. No evidence presented to suggest it was any less in Utah (and Mia Love's loss insinuates as much).

#1...I oversimplified those 63,000 newby voters...[that reflected Utah's growth of Voting-Age population].

Not all of them are 18-21 yo...some, for example, could be older voters who moved there from another state. How many? Who knows...safe to say not a lot...

#2 In conservative Utah, the Pimple Poppers surely at least split 50-50...So even then about 30,000 would still be an adjustable #...And if another 500 were older than 21...then that leaves you gaining at best only 15,000 more...not even another 1%...

...more importantly, "pimple poppers" went nationwide for Obama over 60%. No evidence presented to suggest it was any less in Utah (and Mia Love's loss insinuates as much).

Btw...there's yet one more reason to leave the # at 45,000 Romney voters (or so) -- among the new voting-age population of 63,000 in Utah: The Lds church has -- right now -- 55,000 missionaries out there...

They each do 2-year stints...most starting at age 19...some age 20, 21 or even older.

That means they flip 27,500 (or so) every single year. That's how many are "returning home."

So where is "home" for most of them?

Well, 34% of all American Mormons live in Utah. So, we can safely conclude that over 9,000 returned home to Utah in 2012. And another 9,000 -- most of whom probably didn't vote in 2008 -- also returned home in 2011...And we could surmise that another 7,000+ newby missionary returnees returned to Utah in 2010...and thousands more newbies returned in 2009...

All total...you probably have conservatively over 30,000 returned Lds missionaries to Utah alone from 2009-2012...most of whom...if they registered... did so for the very first time...

Obviously, at least a small portion of these headed out of state to attend a university...but even then, some retain their home voting status.

So, if 55% of them registered, that's over 15,000 newbies...many of whom are 22 & up...[meaning thousands of these don't fit the "pimple popping" category]

And I say "conservatively" because actually the pressure for high school grads and college students to serve as missionaries is extremely higher in utah than other states. So, if anything, that 30,000 figure needs to be bumped up.

And of ALL Mormons, these would be your very most conservative Mormons...perhaps even 80%+ conservative in their socio-political worldviews. So, with over 15,000 of these returned missionaries registering to vote, most for the first time, we can safely conclude that Romney easily could have gotten almost 12,000 votes just from missionary returnees who came home to Utah 2009-2012. We already know that males nationwide -- non-Mormon & Mormon -- supported Romney more than Obama...

These returned missionaries would just about offset any "50-50" split among 18-21 yo Utah Mormon voters that you pointed out...with btw, your anecdotal extrapolations that assumed Utah 18-21 yo would vote the same as urban & suburban college students.

In fact, Brown refutes your assertions directly. "...When measured correctly (as a percentage of VEP), Utah’s turnout in 2010 was actually worse than every midterm election since 1994 except (barely) 2006."

Well, thanks for reinforcing the very point of this article!!!

The article doesn't focus on registered voters...but on the Voting eligible population in utah (now about 1.94 million).

Brown doesn't refute anything I've been saying; in fact, he reinforces it!

The very point of the article was saying that 2008-2012, apathy among Utah voters has taken over.

Now the Trib said that the 2008 turnout % among all eligible voters was 57%; the census division link I cited only 53.1%...2nd worst among all states; now you come along & cite Brown to reinforce the 2008 figures with a 54.5% figure...

No matter how you slice, it 47%...43%...or as Brown said, 45.5%...of 2008 Utah voters staying home...pathetic.

Then you cite Brown's table as saying the 2012 uptick among Utah voters was only 1% -- to 55.5%...meaning 44.5% didn't register...or registered and didn't vote.

What's more...in all the #s crunching in my earlier post, what did I conclude? That yup, romney attracted 1% more Mormon voters than McCain did in 2008.

And here, you cite a Brown table that seems to yet confirm that 1% figure!!!

When you're talking about 1% in a state that's as bulky Mormon-wise as Utah, really doesn't matter if we know or don't know the exact % of Mormon vs. non-Mormon actual voters.

The boottom line is that you have managed to reinforce that 1% figure...

By your own sourcing, your "Mormon motivation" was placed on a weak limb that's cracked all the way thru!