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When You’re Falsely Accused of a Gun Crime – 12 Things You Need to Know
ammoland.com ^ | 28 November, 2012 | Michelle Gesse

Posted on 11/29/2012 7:30:02 AM PST by marktwain

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To: MeganC

Where do you find those?


61 posted on 11/29/2012 9:47:19 AM PST by webstersII
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To: marktwain

bflr


62 posted on 11/29/2012 9:47:56 AM PST by TheConservativeParty ( 1440 days until Nov.8,2016)
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To: Ratman83
I hope you forgot the sarcasm tag. Nothing that anyone says that is offensive can justify a false accusation of threatening someone with a weapon.

And yet, it happens. Such is the danger of living in proximity to the mental disorder known as Liberalism.

63 posted on 11/29/2012 9:48:37 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: FreedomPoster

Yes, things could have changed. However, I think digital stuff certified by, say, the police might be admissible whereas submitted by one of the ‘great unwashed’ would be suspect. Documentation is a very important word with exact meaning. Sorry not a legal expert, just a victim, like the rest of us..


64 posted on 11/29/2012 9:51:27 AM PST by ArtDodger
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

True, it even seems to be infesting some who are here.


65 posted on 11/29/2012 9:54:36 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: ArtDodger

But they’re totally admissible in the media, to which DA’s sometimes pay attention, as elected officials.


66 posted on 11/29/2012 9:55:30 AM PST by DPMD
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To: DManA
"I know. The fact that they left out this central fact makes you kind of suspicious of the whole article."

Further, An alleged Navy Seal falsely accuses a citizen of Menacing with a firearm?

The supposed "Best of the Best" gets someone arrested on a false premise?

I smell something rotten. I think a weapon was involved and we are not being told the whole story.

67 posted on 11/29/2012 10:03:26 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: DPMD

Digital imaging, digital cameras, digital video, etc, are all used by LE and in courts and have been for years. Even in simple traffic stops, you’re likely being recorded. Feel free to do the same.


68 posted on 11/29/2012 10:13:56 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ArtDodger
Yes, things could have changed. However, I think digital stuff certified by, say, the police might be admissible whereas submitted by one of the ‘great unwashed’ would be suspect.

Does not matter if it's certified or not.

Digital imaging, digital cameras, digital video, etc, are all used by LE, in courts, by lawyers, individuals, investigators and have been for years. Even in simple traffic stops, you’re likely being digitally recorded. Feel free to do the same.

69 posted on 11/29/2012 10:18:30 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Mad Dawgg
I found the below on XDtalk, dated to 4-6-2009. The day after the event in question.

BOULDER, Colo. — A Boulder County man was arrested late Sunday after officers said he pointed a handgun at his neighbor, who had asked him to apologize for insulting the neighbor's mother, Sheriff's Office spokesman Cmdr. Rick Brough said. Mark Steven Gesse, 62, was booked into the Boulder County Jail on suspicion of felony menacing, prohibited use of a weapon and harassment after deputies received a call at 7:55 p.m. Sunday about an altercation involving a handgun outside a home in the 400 block of Brook Circle in the Pine Brook Hills subdivision, west of Boulder. The caller, whose name hasn’t been released, told police that he and his mother were invited over to Gesse’s house for dinner, and Gesse made an inappropriate comment to his mother, Brough said. The victim asked Gesse to “come over later and apologize, which he did,” Brough said. “But, as he was leaving, he made a threatening remark and pulled a gun,” he said. Sheriff’s deputies are continuing to investigate the incident.

70 posted on 11/29/2012 10:23:03 AM PST by Malsua
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To: marktwain
Be the first to call 911... don’t hesitate.

That's bad information BTW.

How would you even know the other party even considered calling? In fact, it's best to avoid government contact if at all possible. If possible, stay away from the machine and look for other solutions if possible.

71 posted on 11/29/2012 10:43:58 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Ratman83
...nothing that anyone says that is offense can justify a false accusation of threatening someone with a weapon.

I beg to differ.

The host could have said something in jest that was perceived as a direct (but understated) threat on the life of one of his guests. Doesn't mean he meant it that way, but perceptions vary widely between different people.

People take things the wrong way all the time. Normally it doesn't result in a situation getting as out of hand as this one did, but it does happen.

Again - we're left to surmise the basic facts of the story, because the reporter left them out.

72 posted on 11/29/2012 10:46:21 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
The host could have said something in jest that was perceived as a direct (but understated) threat on the life of one of his guests. If the host had made such a threat he would have been charged with that. Additionally the young man come back to the house for an apology, you do not do that for a threat.
73 posted on 11/29/2012 10:55:48 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: t1b8zs

Yes, good advice. Keep neighbors as neighbors. Neighbor relations should be viewed like office romances...keep it professional only at work and keep the distance with neighbors...polite but not buddy-buddy unless completely sure.

We knew the neighbors on either side of our suburban house. I felt we should get to know the neighbors a few houses over as well. So we did. And are sorry we did because one turned out to be a jerk and the other such an asshole that we had to call 911 on the guy.

A sad day in America when we have to watch our backs in our own neighborhood like in the old USSR...trusting no one.


74 posted on 11/29/2012 10:56:29 AM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: marktwain

Bookmark for later.


75 posted on 11/29/2012 10:59:59 AM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Ratman83
...the young man come back to the house for an apology, you do not do that for a threat.

Read the story again. The offended guest didn't come back to the host demanding an apology. Their relative (a Navy SEAL) did.

The host then went next door and apologized to his guest for the confusion, but got nowhere. His neighbor called 911 and accused the host of threatening his life anyway.

76 posted on 11/29/2012 11:03:21 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ArtDodger

“Digital recordings are not accepted in courts of law, same as digital photos.. Tape and film are, though...”

That’s very interesting.

Do the police, government investigators, private investigators — do ALL of them still use film-based cameras?

What will happen when our entire society has become “digitally-based” (insofar as photography, video and sound recording are concerned), and there are no more tape recorders (actually, few of them left now), and no more film-based cameras (who even processes film any more?) ??

Just wondering.
Something doesn’t sound right about that.


77 posted on 11/29/2012 11:08:21 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Windflier
You read my post and the article again. I said the young man (ie the Navy Seal son of the of the offended woman) came back and demanded an apology.

His neighbor did not call police the son (Navy Seal) called 911 and falsely accused Steven of threatening him with a gun. It was not the neighbor it was the son.

78 posted on 11/29/2012 11:17:50 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: saleman

Absolutely concur with your 911 comment; very similar experience during which the SWAT team sidled up to the “kids” who earned my 911 call, decided they were only “playing”, then stormed my front door to haul me out for interrogation; guns drawn, no warrant and no “do you mind” involved. I presume they needed to bust somebody after giving the “kids” a pass.


79 posted on 11/29/2012 11:19:50 AM PST by norton
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To: Ratman83

Maybe you’re bored, and have nothing better to do than argue with someone about the details of an article posted here, but I’ve got work to do.

Later.


80 posted on 11/29/2012 11:21:51 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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