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(Cops & Robbers Agree!) California Police Wish Gun Owners Would Just Comply with Robbers
GUNS.com ^ | 11/27/2012 | dabneybailey

Posted on 11/30/2012 2:24:58 PM PST by DogByte6RER

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To: ConradofMontferrat
"Another profundity: when surrounded, focus on the leader of the pack. Wrap your arms around him, bite his face, push your fingers into his eyes, bite anything of him that gets near you. His screams will unnerve his team. Bite his fingers off, stick your pinky up his nose, and no matter how bad his homies are beating you, NEVER let go of the "ring leader."

It seems counter-intuitive, then again, the fact that they didn't attack tells me that they weren't that committed anyway. I think most muggers want an easy score, they don't want to get hurt in the process. Also, if the lead guy was say, the brother of the other two, they might have been less inclined to pussy out and run to leave him to his fate, in which case, clinging on to him whilst doing all these gruesome things to him might have backfired, big-style if that was the case.

101 posted on 11/30/2012 5:17:28 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
I would prosecute them to the full extent of the law, regardless of the reasons why they fired the gun.

So you are a Prosecutor? Hard to believe because you don't even have a semblance of a grasp of the law. If so the Attorney General should fire you.

Is that why you are scared of an armed citizenry?

102 posted on 11/30/2012 5:25:32 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Again they were after material items that could be replaced and again our biggest fear is that somebody would have gotten hurt, injured and possibly even died.”

How does morales know what all they were after? They could have abducted her or killed for the fun of it. The only thing she did wrong was to miss.


103 posted on 11/30/2012 5:27:09 PM PST by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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To: Jonty30

“However, I do agree with your sentiments.”

Which makes us brothers-in-arms.

Semper fi, buddy.


104 posted on 11/30/2012 5:28:21 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Question to you:

Why in Hell would you WAIT until they attacked? When I’m surrounded, I already know what their INTENT is.

PreEMPTIVE strikes are the most successful.

Again I say, you are an ABSTRACT thinker. You need to experience the real.

Taste that copper penny, then talk to me. Until then, you are only a guy who creates scenarios in his mind, and beats down straw men.

I have been beaten down for real. I have feared for my life for real. I have been beaten until I didn’t know what day it was.

And I was the “good guy.”

Have a nice night, you and I live in different worlds.


105 posted on 11/30/2012 5:28:21 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Eaker
"Your absolute lack of knowledge on the subject beyond having watched TV. "

If I was lying, I could have made the lie a lot more exciting than what I said, I have fired guns (shotguns and rifles) plenty of times, at targets. What more can I say?

"Don't project your inadequacies on the rest of us who do carry, have training and plenty of practice.

I have had to pull my gun twice and though I didn't have to shoot it to resolve the situation I was prepared and ready to do so. Also my hand wasn't shaking like an old lady with palsy as you have stated yours would be. This is a serious subject and you should really keep your uninformed opinion and cowardly advice to yourself."

I'll ignore the unnecessarily rude tone of your answer. You may well have plenty of training and experience, and you may personally have experience of using it and being calm and in control, hey, for all I know, you could be the 21st century's answer to Wyatt Earp (I'll have to take your word on what you say, and unlike you, I will, as I have no evidence to disprove it) but that doesn't mean everyone will, and that is the point, most people who are not accustomed to violence will suffer a deterioration in fine motor skills when faced with a violent situation and their aim will suffer accordingly. There is a lot more to training how to do something than simply learning the mechanics of doing it. I might not have used a gun in those conditions, but I understand it from other aspects of self-defence...

106 posted on 11/30/2012 5:30:30 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

You’re supposed to be drunk. Then it’s just fun. Come to rob me you get shot. Fun or not.


107 posted on 11/30/2012 5:33:58 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: NY Attitude
The police should realize that they no longer can “protect and Serve”. You as a citizen are responsible for yourself until the arrival of the authorities.

The police have never been responsible for protecting citizens and were never intended to be. They are supposed to be a deterrence and investigators after the fact.

Here's a Thread on It

Another article

This spells it out nicely as well

108 posted on 11/30/2012 5:35:32 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Eaker

Eaker,

What we have here is a failure to communicate. Sins is a bureauKaRatz.

No dialog can ever happen with a RATZ. They are a breed apart. They feed off the public teet and believe in their hearts that that is their “entitlement.” Their scut families and their little rug rats are their pride.

You, you low life civilian, are here only to feed their insatiable appetite for government “bennies.”

They are the “King’s Men”, and you are here to feed them.

Its a low point in the Republic. It was predicted. Sins is a product of the commie pig bastards that have undermined us.

Later.


109 posted on 11/30/2012 5:40:49 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

They didn’t surround me, as I recall they approached me from the opposite direction with two of them diagonal to each other, one slightly behind the other, the third was about eight feet behind the second. They didn’t even get closer than about 5 feet, the ‘leader’ asked me for a lighter from about 15 feet, and thats when I changed my body language and demeanor, after which they kept their distance. They never did anything explicit enough to justify a pre-emptive attack, so I didn’t. If they had tried to surround me, it would have been a different matter.
I freely admit that my instincts are not honed like a person experienced in real violence, but again, I have come close enough to it to know that my judgement was affected and that I wouldn’t make the same decisions I would whilst sitting in my comfy chair. I certainly wouldn’t decide to piledrive someone into the path of a car in normal conditions, but I know that that is exactly what I was thinking in that moment, I was becoming very tunnel-visioned at that point.


110 posted on 11/30/2012 5:42:28 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Look, I’m from Texas and we don’t suffer fools well.

You continue to project your lack of knowledge, lack of experience, and lack of skills on the rest of us. Your posts make me think that you are from England and have never really been around guns. Certainly you have no clue of what it is like to live in a gun culture.

Guns are mystical magical things to you. They are tools to the rest of us. We use them, we take them apart and clean them. When they break we fix them. Some of us are alive because of them.

You are really out of your league on this thread and are making a fool out of yourself. You have as much business posting on this thread as a chicken has trying to play Texas Holdem. Stop while you are only this far behind.


111 posted on 11/30/2012 5:44:08 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

Well said, very well said.


112 posted on 11/30/2012 5:46:26 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: eyedigress

Hey Sins,

Not a trick question, are you black?


113 posted on 11/30/2012 5:47:51 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

Maybe he lost his shovel? :)


114 posted on 11/30/2012 5:50:23 PM PST by fudimo
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To: Eaker

Thank you Citizen Soldier. Thank you a lot.

Peace be to you and yours, and let Christmas and the birth of Jesus bring you good fortune.

Chaz


115 posted on 11/30/2012 5:51:09 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat
"If you live in fear of what “could have happened”, you live in fear forever. Not a place I want to be."

Amen Brother.

116 posted on 11/30/2012 5:51:36 PM PST by semaj
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
I certainly wouldn’t decide to piledrive someone into the path of a car in normal conditions, but I know that that is exactly what I was thinking in that moment, I was becoming very tunnel-visioned at that point.

But, if you had decided to piledrive someone into the path of a car (as part of your defensive activities), couldn't the car driver have swerved to avoid hitting that person, hitting some other pedestrians and/or one or more other cars?

Wouldn't the possible results (unplanned injuries to innocents) have been equivalent to the woman who fired the shots in defense of herself?

Just because you wouldn't have been using a gun doesn't mean bad things wouldn't/couldn't have happened because of your decisions/actions. Should the car driver(s)/other innocents involved taken action to sue you into oblivion?

117 posted on 11/30/2012 5:52:25 PM PST by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: fudimo

LOL

I know a whole lot of BLACK Americans who are good patriots. They know how to fly the flag, back up the Constitution, and just go about their business.

Unfortunately, there aren’t enough of them.


118 posted on 11/30/2012 5:54:33 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Down here we teach them young. It is a lifestyle not a game.



119 posted on 11/30/2012 5:57:09 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

And to my friend!


120 posted on 11/30/2012 5:58:28 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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