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California's Road to Perdition (The Golden State proves that even gold can rust sometimes)
American Thinker ^ | 12/01/2012 | Elise Cooper

Posted on 12/01/2012 8:34:48 PM PST by SeekAndFind

California was once the envy of everyone. But this promised land is now being controlled by a super-majority of leftists, and the liberal, pro-union Democrats have only one answer to California's woes: to raise taxes. With that in mind, American Thinker asked California representatives if, after the 2012 election, Republicans become an archaic party in this state.

There are many reasons why California Republicans took such a shellacking. Congressman Tom McClintock (R-CA) emphasizes the key word: "communication. The Democrats had monopoly control over the message. Republicans need to pull up their socks and wipe their noses to get back into the game."

Congressman Brian Bilbray (R-CA) recently lost his re-election bid to what he calls "the political perfect storm." There was Proposition 30, which will raise income taxes on the wealthiest Californian citizens and temporarily increase the sales tax by a quarter of one percent to supposedly fund schools, colleges, and universities.

The congressman argues, "Governor Jerry Brown and the Democrats worked college campuses, getting students to turn out to vote so their tuition would be kept down.

Students were recruited and registered, unions turned out in numbers, and Obama, an incumbent president, was on the ballot. This was the largest turnout in history for this state."

There was also Proposition 32, which would have banned union contributions to state and local candidates.

Unions made sure they turned out the vote to kill this initiative, since they did not want to lose the ability to withhold money from worker paychecks for political spending. The unions in California engage in vote-harvesting, where they register people who would not normally have voted on their own and get them to vote, many times by absentee ballots.

What should Republicans do to restore the party to viability?

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california

1 posted on 12/01/2012 8:34:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Organize from the bottom up, what else? They have a base in the churches and other civic organizations which they have neglected.


2 posted on 12/01/2012 8:38:58 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A lot of people living there don’t see what we see being outside of the fishbowl looking in. I know, having seen the cognitive disconnect up close and personal.


3 posted on 12/01/2012 8:43:51 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SeekAndFind

I really think the only thing that would make Californians see the light is a total social collapse. This might just happen if the Federal Reserve loses control and interest rates start to rise. The Federal government will be unable to pay its bills and will have to default. EBT cards everywhere will stop working. Riots and chaose will ensue. Afterwards, I’m thinking the survivors rebuilding from the ruins wouldn’t have a lot of tolerance for liberal ideas.


4 posted on 12/01/2012 8:50:10 PM PST by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

Kalipornia is a lost cause.


5 posted on 12/01/2012 8:56:36 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

It’s on an unsustainable trajectory that is starting to go into nose-dive mode.


6 posted on 12/01/2012 9:03:16 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

The simple truth is California is a piker compared to the federal government on a unsustainable trajectory nose-dive.


7 posted on 12/01/2012 9:12:05 PM PST by DB
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To: SeekAndFind

One needs to look no farther than this article to see how the the GOP Establishment is hell-bent on destroying genuine conservatives.

In the article, “frustrated” Congressman Bilbray blames genuine conservatives for nominating so-called unelectable candidates Sharon Angle and Todd Akin.

Had the GOP Establishment supported genuine conservatives instead of sandbagging them, there might have been hope for the Republican party. Now, it is time for the party to be destroyed and for a new party, a genuine conservative party, to take its place.


8 posted on 12/01/2012 9:16:19 PM PST by Perkalong (GOP 2012 = Whigs 1856)
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To: SeekAndFind
What should Republicans do to restore the party to viability?

In California? LOL!
Umm, maybe pray for an earthquake that dumps the concentrated Democrat parasite nests ("cities") into the sea?

9 posted on 12/01/2012 9:19:28 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SeekAndFind
What should Republicans do to restore the party to viability?

Ban unions in government, require residents and others who get on the dole to lose status since taking care of themselves is required to be here and require an ID to vote.

This electorate is bought and paid for.

10 posted on 12/01/2012 9:23:13 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: umgud

I saw some government union types already getting petitions signed to get the people to pay more to fund government union retirements in the next election. It’s diabolical!


11 posted on 12/01/2012 9:24:57 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: umgud

I saw some government union types already getting petitions signed to get the people to pay more to fund government union retirements in the next election. It’s diabolical!


12 posted on 12/01/2012 9:25:15 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SeekAndFind

RINO File.


13 posted on 12/01/2012 9:44:58 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: rbg81
The Federal government will be unable to pay its bills and will have to default.

As will the State government.

Historically, debts to foreign creditors have been peacefully satisfied by a transfer of territory to the foreign nation.

I wonder if the Californians would be granted Chinese citizenship?

14 posted on 12/01/2012 9:47:06 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Perkalong

Angle was unelectable, her prior record of losing races demonstrated as such. Akin, however, was very electable... until he said something unbelievably stupid and then was followed by Mourdock in IN. If these candidates don’t have enough common sense to know what to say and what not to say in public, no amount of support from Conservatives is going to overcome that on Election Day.


15 posted on 12/01/2012 9:59:37 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Navy Patriot

I don’t think Red China would want the free-spending and parasitic Stalinist moonbats in CA. The land and property, yes, not the people.


16 posted on 12/01/2012 10:02:12 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: SeekAndFind

WE’RE NUMBER ONE! WE’RE NUMBER ONE!

http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2012/11/28/california-ranked-as-worst-run-state.html


17 posted on 12/01/2012 10:14:34 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I don’t think Red China would want the free-spending and parasitic Stalinist moonbats in CA. The land and property, yes, not the people.

China, internally, has the ability and willingness to "reason" with people they don't want or don't like.

18 posted on 12/01/2012 10:31:06 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: RobbyS

Are you saying that postcards from the country club doesn’t work? :)


19 posted on 12/02/2012 5:57:01 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SeekAndFind

California will be deemed too big to fail—and Obama will bail them out. Then New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and Michigan. That will bankrupt the rest of us and Obama will have achieved his ultimate goal.


20 posted on 12/02/2012 6:01:11 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Excellence

srbfl


21 posted on 12/02/2012 7:38:44 AM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: rbg81
If we had a fiscal collapse as you suggest, the state LEAST likely to turn itself around is Kalifornia, along with her uber-Liberal sister states. Beggars & thieves rarely accept other options, such as work.

While I believe a collapse is coming that will end the entitlement state for good, I fear what may replace it. There is no guarantee that the liberal, entitlement kumbaya will be replaced by a conservative, personal responsibility kumbaya. Chaos usually generates tyranny.

22 posted on 12/02/2012 7:45:46 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

By all rights, Warren was unelectable, but she defeated a good candidate, Brown. With enough party support you can elect a dog as dogcatcher. Angle was, in the end, shot down by the country-club set who support only their own.


23 posted on 12/02/2012 1:17:59 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

The problem is MA is a one-party moonbat state that has an exceptionally high tolerance for corruption. Fauxcahontas embraces both moonbattery and corruption. Brown tried to pander to the left, and that never works. Democrats can never be outpandered in that direction.

But as for Angle, I was warning folks here well ahead of time that of all the Republicans running, she would be the one who would lose, and that was that. I supported her in her race for Congress in 2006, but when she narrowly lost the primary to Dean Heller, she totally flipped out. Started making unsubstantiated allegations of vote fraud and the like. She not only turned off former supporters (like me), but she went out of her way to antagonize almost everyone. She tried an ill-advised campaign against the state Senate leader in a 2008 primary and that was a fiasco as well.

The Tea Party folks listened to her rhetoric when she mounted her 2010 U.S. Senate race and ignored her record of losses and the hurtful allegations (indeed, she left such a mess in 2006, she nearly cost Dean Heller the safe NV-2 seat, and had he lost, he’d not be Senator today). She was the epitome of a bad candidate and rightly viewed as unstable, which was why so many of the party people refused to go along with her.

Angle even threatened (after Heller was appointed to the Senate) to run for the House seat in the special, even if it meant the seat would be lost to the Democrats (meaning oppose the GOP nominee as an Independent). She is precisely the kind of candidate that is more harmful than helpful.


24 posted on 12/02/2012 1:52:00 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Measure up Angle against half the Democrats in the House, or even the Senate. She doesn’t look so bad. Why Republicans can’t win: the leadership is mostly hostile to the Teaparty’s types, in part because of their tone. In Part because they really do equate looks and education with quality. Never mind that men like Bush’s last treasury secretary are conmen whose first instinct in a crisis is to save their own asse(t)s and bail on the rest of us.


25 posted on 12/02/2012 9:58:09 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

I’m sure Angle’s voting record would’ve been superb. Ditto Akin and Mourdock. But that doesn’t change the fact that their own mouths and/or behavior get them in serious trouble. If Angle hadn’t made false allegations of voter fraud against Dean Heller in 2006, her viability would’ve been preserved for a future race and she might very well be the Senator today. She has only herself to blame, and same goes for both Akin and Mourdock (both of whom I supported in their respective primaries).

Regardless, the Tea Party needs to be more sophisticated in whom they support. There are credible, Conservative candidates out there who can overcome the odds and win (like Ted Cruz in TX). Of course, nobody can predict if a candidate decides to publicly commit political suicide despite a previously pristine record of electoral success (as Akin & Mourdock had).

As for the GOP establishment, I give them no quarter, either. They’re more comfortable giving their Dem buddies a reach-around than serving with or campaigning for Conservative reformists. They’re both the problem in DC.


26 posted on 12/02/2012 10:30:27 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Angle lost because the Democrats ran busloads of casino employees to the polls. Pretty how much they won in Ohio, where they seemed to get 100% turnout in certain precincts.


27 posted on 12/02/2012 10:38:19 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS; Impy; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; sickoflibs
Robby, did you not read anything I wrote about Angle above ? You seem to persist in maintaining she was ever a viable candidate with a chance at winning. She wasn't. At all. I'll tell you flat out that vote fraud had nothing to do with it (unless Reid directed his minions to cast votes FOR her in the GOP primary). She was politically D.O.A. from 2006, period, as I already told you above. Every other Republican running in that 2010 Senate primary would've beaten Reid. Every single one. Reid was excited as hell to have Angle as an opponent, because the race was over as soon as she was nominated.

If voter fraud alone was responsible for her loss, explain how in that same election that Republican Brian Sandoval was able to stomp Dingy Harry Reid's boy in an open Gubernatorial race -- by almost 12% ? Sandoval carried every county in NV, including Clark (Las Vegas). If the union SEIU casino employees were going to steal the race for Reid, they'd steal it for his son, too. Reid didn't need to steal his own race.

28 posted on 12/02/2012 11:11:40 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

She seems to have been given the same treatment that Akin did. She did well enough in the debates with Reid. Of course she has a chance of winning. She was breathing, wasn’t she? Which is more than I can say about. Reid. Face it: when the big shots say your are not good enough, they are not going to life more than a oinky to support you. After all, they might do something to embarrass them, The same reason why the Dallas Establishment was not enarmored of Cruz, even though he will be probably the most articulate politician in the Senate.


29 posted on 12/02/2012 11:29:28 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

No, Robby, she was, as I’ve stated umpteen times, thoroughly and completely a non-viable candidate. Nobody had to do anything to harm her. She destroyed herself. She was living in a fantasy world from 2006 when she couldn’t GRASP that she’d lost a primary fair and square. She lashed out and blamed everyone but herself and made ludicrous charges and almost fatally crippled Dean Heller for the general election.

Robby, Angle is a nutjob, a prima donna and a sore loser that didn’t care whom she hurt in the process. That is not the behavior of a Tea Partier or a Conservative, period. If you think that is admirable behavior or qualities that should make up a leader for our cause, I’m sorry to say but you’re sadly mistaken.

That’s precisely why I was here warning folks about NOT voting for her in the 2010 primary precisely because she couldn’t win in the general, for the above reasons, and I was proven 100% correct.

It was EXACTLY the same thing with Katherine Harris in Florida in 2006. She had a cult of followers who deluded themselves into believing she could beat Bill Nelson in the Senate race, ignoring the fact that over HALF the party did not support her and that she was the most unpopular and polarizing political figure in Florida. It was no surprise when she was obliterated in a landslide.

Angle at no point was a threat to Reid, her unpopularity was sky-high and worse than Reid (whom himself is highly unpopular). No debates and no amount of spending on her behalf was going to change that. She was a bad candidate, period. You don’t win races against unpopular incumbents by managing to dig up a candidate even MORE unpopular.

I can give you countless examples of non-viable candidates like Sharron Angle. Ken Buck in CO turned out to be non viable when he blew a winnable Senate race. Establishment-chosen Pete Coors in CO in 2004 was also a non-viable candidate. Before anything else happens, a candidate must be established that they have a viable shot at winning. You can’t just run anyone. Even if their message is good, the messenger can be seriously flawed.

Akin and Mourdock were both leading in the polls until they opened their mouths on the issue of rape, and that was it. No amount of help, financial or otherwise, was going to rescue them. Both should’ve removed themselves from those races after their comments. I have no doubt that the blowback from what they both said was enough to alter the outcome in many close races, with some voters thinking the entire GOP ticket was indifferent or grossly insensitive to the issue of rape.

Why were they even TALKING about the issue ? We should’ve learned 22 years ago from the example of Clayton Williams in TX when he ran against Ann “Ma” Richards. All he did was crack a joke in comparing weather to rape. There should be a permanent standing rule that ANY GOP candidate that goes off on this subject should immediately end their candidacy. Absolutely not one iota of common sense from these guys, and it makes me ill, because I supported them both. That they didn’t know any better shows that they weren’t ready for prime time.

Conversely, we had an excellent and viable candidate in Ohio for Senator in Josh Mandel, whom had already won statewide. Still, even an excellent candidate AND excellent messenger couldn’t take down the ultraleft Sherrod Brown. Fortunately, he’s young and can run again in the future and has preserved his viability. That cannot be said for Sharron Angle, Katherine Harris, Ken Buck, Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock.

Blame voter fraud and GOP establishment sandbagging WHEN it is warranted. But when you try to use that as an excuse for execrable candidates like Angle or Harris not winning, it rings patently false and smacks of failure to recognize reality and not taking responsibility for backing someone whom we knew ahead of time could not win. Conservatives take responsibility for their actions, liberals do not.


30 posted on 12/03/2012 12:05:40 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; RobbyS; Impy; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA
RE :”Robby, did you not read anything I wrote about Angle above ? You seem to persist in maintaining she was ever a viable candidate with a chance at winning. She wasn't. At all. I'll tell you flat out that vote fraud had nothing to do with it (unless Reid directed his minions to cast votes FOR her in the GOP primary). She was politically D.O.A. from 2006, period, as I already told you above. Every other Republican running in that 2010 Senate primary would've beaten Reid. Every single one. Reid was excited as hell to have Angle as an opponent, because the race was over as soon as she was nominated. “

Jeeze, this was over two years ago.

Sue Louden seemed (NV) like a perfectly good GOP candidate for that race who would not have said crazy stuff on camera like Angle did.
There was no legitimate reason for Angle to blow that election and make us have to watch Reid for 6 more years..

I have Republican relatives in NV and they voted for Angle but she had made herself such a bad joke there that were ashamed to tell anyone they voted for her. Louden wouldnt have done that,.

Reid was very unpopular in NV in 2010 and still Angle blew it by rallying the Dems to come out and vote against her in an off-year election.

31 posted on 12/03/2012 4:42:49 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems want to win.The GOP wants to whine. Why dont they fight to win like Dems do?)
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To: sickoflibs
“Ashamed" of her? That is a luxury that we can't afford. Are the Democrats ever ashamed of the turkeys that they send up? No, they would have us believe they are soaring eagles. Akin didn’t deserve our support, but wtf, neither did the Lady he ran against deserve the support the Democrats gave her My God, LOOK at the woman! She is the type who should never reach for any level above the state senate. No, it boils down to the unwillingness of the people who control the political party to give full-throated support to candidates who do and say things that embarrass them in front of their liberal friends. It is part of the passivity that made the Tory ashamed of someone like Churchill, because he lacked “judgement.” That made it impossible for Romney to attack Obama on the issue of Benghazi, which makes us NOW go after Rice rather than Obama. I mean, God, the President was repeating the same crap that Rice spouted ten days later at the UN! Faint heart never fair maiden won.
32 posted on 12/03/2012 5:32:13 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; ..
RE “Ashamed” of her? That is a luxury that we can't afford. Are the Democrats ever ashamed of the turkeys that they send up? “

Look, I have heard this before. Before you cast stones she is a real person (and a Dem hating Republican yet), not just an anonymous poster, and one-who supported Angle early on but then Angle made herself in to the pariah with everyone my sister knew there saying stuff my sister could not defend (Do you even know what those statements were?). So she voted against Reid but didnt talk about it.
Angle blew an easy election for saying stupid stuff. She did it.

What we cant afford is candidates who take easy wins and turn them into losses by saying stupid stuff. This is getting too common. And watching Reid drama is painful.

33 posted on 12/03/2012 5:47:44 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems want to win.The GOP wants to whine. Why dont they fight to win like Dems do?)
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To: sickoflibs

There is almost not election tat is “easy” if the stakes are high enough. Reid was not just your average senator. But, since you keep mentioning them, what statements ARE you talking about?


34 posted on 12/03/2012 9:22:21 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“What should Republicans do to restore the party to viability?”

Stop trying to appease the media and the left. Everytime the GOP is nice to these b@stards they get screwed. Since that hasn’t worked the last 4,872,921 times it was tried then how about we attack the left, over and over, relentlessly, and then when the media lie to confront them instead of making kissy-face with them like Romney did?


35 posted on 12/06/2012 8:44:00 AM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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