Posted on 12/03/2012 7:31:09 AM PST by Brookhaven
Right off the Libs. They’re just a brain-fart away from voting democrat anyway.
Focus on the Tea Partiers and the SoCons. Find candidates who relate to our majority views. Win Elections.
Its. That. Simple.
“The party of business and defense.” WRONG! GOP-e would become JUST the “The party of business(crony Capitalism)” GOP-e has ALWAYS been WEAK on Defense.
Again, based on the incomprehensible popularity of Huckabee, this assumption should not be taken too far. I think there's a component of moderate/low income rural social conservatives very keen on Big Government farm subsidies, and "Sticking it to the Rich" on taxation.
Hence, we know where the transmission cooler lines run under the bus--we've spent that much time under it.
But, without these groups, what would the Republican party be left with? Without tea partiers (fiscal conservatives), without social conservatives (family values and judicial restraint), and without libertarians (individual liberty and adherence to the Constitution) what would be left; what would the Republican party become?
A two-time loser.
If the GOP spent as much time catering to it's base as it does catering to the Left, it might win more often.
And, for those that think libertarians are inherently pro-abortion, consider that Ron Paul (the libertarian wing’s poster boy from 2012) is pro-life, Bob Barr (the 2008 Libertarian party nominee) is pro-life, and Michal Bardnarik (the 2004 Libertarian party nominee) is pro-life. Support for abortion does not seem to be a litmus test for libertarian thought. Most libertarians believe that Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the matter returned to the state level. A position a significant number of social conservatives also agree with.
Incorrect. Libs are pro-life maybe on the state level. As far as the federal government? They OPPOSE a Constitutional Amendment endorsing the right to life for unborn Americans. Support for abortion does not seem to be a litmus test for libertarian thought. Heh. That may be true. But support for dangerougs drugs being legalized? Now THAT is a fundamental requirement.
No, as I say... The sooner we dump social liberals from the GOP, the sooner we recover.
That sounds like a great idea.
“Right” off the Libertarians. then everyone else you disagree with, then a political party for you. Works every time.
There's no evidence there are any more minable votes there - they all pretty much turned out, and Romney still lost. And even if there are more to turn out, the vast majority are in states Republicans win easily anyway.
Still waiting for the final certified election numbers but, relative to 2008 and 2004, the area Romney did best was the Bible Belt South.
I don’t think he meant libertarians when he said “libs”.
I think he meant the “moderates” who are halfast socialists anyway.
I love how so many of you guys “write off” (check your spelling) Libertarians right away because we don’t walk in lockstep with the religious side of the Conservative movement.
Libertarians weigh each issue with the simple question, does this infringe on personal freedoms?
What that means is, does this law/action infringe on the rights or freedoms of another, does it place a burden on another member of society other than the burden of non-interference (meaning your only burden is to ignore it).
When the answer is yes, we’re against such laws, such as gay marriage laws (I’m going to catch hell just for using that term on here as an example), it’s not that we support it, we just look at it from the individual freedom standpoint, it doesn’t infringe on our rights or freedoms and doesn’t place a burden on society other than having to ignore it, so it’s something that Social/Religious Conservatives and Libertarians aren’t going to agree on.
Now, in other areas Libertarians and Conservatives are in agreement, we want smaller limited government, we don’t believe in federal regulation of areas that it doesn’t have the Constitutional authority to interfere in, those matters should always be left to the states.
We also believe in a strong military, the Federal Government has that responsibility, we just don’t believe in a wasteful military, we don’t need as many bases around to world as we have, in those areas we should have agreements in place with various countries to use their facilities when need be, we really don’t need so many bases in Europe as an example.
Also, believe it or not, many Libertarians are Pro-Life, since we believe all people’s rights should be protected, even the unborn.
Our fundamental belief if individual freedom, people should be free to do as they choose as long as their actions are peaceful and don’t infringe on the rights and freedoms of another, we just don’t support anyone, be it Conservatives or Liberals, using the force of government to push their own personal beliefs.
The libertarian vote was pretty significant in 2012 (much larger than in 2008), they’ll help more in swing states than the other groups, and again unlike the other groups they aren’t already voting Republican.
I think the Tea Partiers and Libertarians have the most in common. The Libertarians include the property rights folks, as do the TPs. The social cons are more in the left wing camp. I have found that many support big government social programs. They also tend to want to legislate their brand of morality and social norms on everyone else. This is incompatible with the right of the individual from regulation, which is what the Libertarians espouse.
The GOP has stumbled into the elephant graveyard. The problem is that it doesn’t know - or believe - that it is dead. Memo to Boehner, et. al.: Give it up, you are irrelevant.
With all the people the GOP-e doesn’t want in the party, what’s left would be smaller than a Joe Biteme crowd of pro-life people.
“The Republican party has three wings that the Republican leadership believes is so dangerous to the future of the party...”
The No. 1 enemy to the GOP is RINOs. It’s time to throw them out.
The Geriatric Old Plotters are to conservatism and liberty what Vidkun Quisling was to Norwegian national defense.
Libertarians have put some hard line liberal democrats in office to the detriment of their own cause.
“The No. 1 enemy to the GOP is RINOs. It’s time to throw them out.”
What you call a RINO is the default setting for Republican leadership. Northern, progressive, elitist and now transnationals. The old Rockefeller Republicans, now seen in the Bush family and Romney.
Remember the rules changes during the convention? They ARE the GOP. They are not going to be displaced. They need to be simply abandoned.
Thanks. I kept looking at that word “Right”. I knew “write” away there was something wrong with it
I obviously mis-spelled the word. I should have said “Rite off the Libs....”
Democrats In All But Label Only.
Or DIABLOs for short.
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