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Where Have You Gone, Bill Buckley?
The New York Times ^ | 12/3/12 | David Welch

Posted on 12/04/2012 4:02:01 AM PST by publius1

IT is a shame that William F. Buckley Jr. passed away in 2008. The conservative movement could use him — or someone like him — right now.

In the 1960s, Buckley, largely through his position at the helm of National Review, displayed political courage and sanity by taking on the John Birch Society, an influential anti-Communist group whose members saw conspiracies everywhere they looked.

Fast forward half a century. The modern-day Birchers are the Tea Party. By loudly espousing extreme rhetoric, yet holding untenable beliefs, they have run virtually unchallenged by the Republican leadership, aided by irresponsible radio talk-show hosts and right-wing pundits....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: buckley; republican; suicidal
A plea for the establishment to take over -- but actually a Republican suicide note based on a faulty premise, that the Tea Party is the modern version of the John Birch Society. Eastern Seaboard Republican Derangement Syndrome in full dress.
1 posted on 12/04/2012 4:02:22 AM PST by publius1
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To: publius1
...Tea Party. By loudly espousing extreme rhetoric, yet holding untenable beliefs...

SRP (stopped reading point)

2 posted on 12/04/2012 4:12:36 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: publius1

WFBjr would have been proud to call himself a Teapartier.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 5:00:33 AM PST by AU72
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To: publius1

And New York TImes continues to cut staff. I guess this is the best journalism they can come up with. Can’t wait till they go belly up...what a complete crock.


4 posted on 12/04/2012 5:04:35 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: publius1

What was Mitt Romney besides moderate?

Welch falls for the left wing smear that the Tea Party is racist. The left will smear the next leaders who emerge.

On Instapundit today. I think the Kenyan is brain washing America.

IF REPUBLICANS HAD DONE THIS IT WOULD BE PORTRAYED AS SINISTER: Billionaire-Funded Liberal Stealth Groups Paved Obama Win.

More than 4 million people who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 did not vote this year. But by applying new voter science, Obama nudged enough replacements in key states — many who were rare or first-time voters — to give him his margin of victory (leveraged even larger by the Electoral College).

Years of stealthy multimillion-dollar efforts paid off forAmerica’s left in the 2008 and 2012 victories by President Barack Obama. Using new voter science to get rare and first-time voters to go to the polls, the races have changedAmerica’s electorate — those who make the country’s decisions by showing up and voting.

Aided by $5 million minimum from George Soros, plus millions more from others, at least two secretive institutions were created to enable this effort by focused research on behavioral science. Their results are made available only to liberals and their causes.


5 posted on 12/04/2012 5:14:07 AM PST by y6162
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To: publius1

Oh, by all means let’s let the New York Times frame the conservative strategy. Then let’s invite the wolves to guard the sheep and have Bill Clinton over to babysit our teenage daughters.


6 posted on 12/04/2012 5:22:58 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Same here.


7 posted on 12/04/2012 5:30:47 AM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: TangoLimaSierra
I stopped at The modern-day Birchers are the Tea Party.
8 posted on 12/04/2012 5:30:49 AM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: publius1
We need “the Establishment.” We need officials like former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, operatives like Karl Rove and Republican Party institutions.

The GOP always suffers when the "establishment" is in control. In the 1930's, under "establishment" leaders like Alf Landon, it became practically moribund until a conservative revival led by Ohio Senator Robert A. Taft breathed life back into the party. In the 1950's, the "establishment," then calling itself the "modern Republicans," was again riding high following Taft's death and managed to lose seats in Congress in every election until another conservative movement, headed by Barry Goldwater, once again revived the party.

9 posted on 12/04/2012 5:32:59 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: publius1

Isn’t it a little ironic that David Welch shares his last name with Robert Welch...the founder of the John Birch Society?


10 posted on 12/04/2012 5:41:54 AM PST by oldsalt (There's no such thing as a free lunch.)
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To: publius1

I have my doubts that Wm. Buckley’s intellectualism could in any way penetrate the current (low) level of American Idolism that constitutes discourse. Sadly, IMO he would simply be yet another object of organized ridicule.


11 posted on 12/04/2012 5:41:59 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: publius1

Funny how these stories don’t get around to saying what is so “extreme” about the Tea Party. What is it? Is it the idea of living within our means? No, they just keep repeating “extreme” until people believe it.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 6:33:36 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

You are so right. Isn’t it sort of remarkable how it works and how well it works? “Box it”, “freeze it”, “ridicule it” right out of Alinsky.


13 posted on 12/04/2012 6:35:34 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: publius1

The “Bircher’s” were right-on. The gov’t was infiltrated with hundreds of Soviet agents- Google “venona”. Books at Amazon”Venona”.
They wanted the US out of the UN. Can anyone argue that the UN has been good for America?
To top it all off, we now have a Communist sympathizer as President and “about 70 communists in congress.”(Allen West)
The Birch Society was wrongly accused of being”racist’, “anti-Semitic’”,a modern KKK. They were NOT. There only focus was COMMUNISM. History has since proven them to be correct


14 posted on 12/04/2012 6:45:21 AM PST by capt B
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To: capt B

the “leftist” Wikipedia has a pretty fair description of the JBS


15 posted on 12/04/2012 6:51:01 AM PST by capt B
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To: publius1
Joseph McCarthy has been proven 100% correct by the FBI's Venona Project.

Whittacker Chambers declined a partnership to start National Review with Buckley because he was an undercover spy for the Soviets that had 'unmasked' himself and revealed that Algier Hiss (FDR's Seretary of state) was a Soviet spy too.

I liked Buckley but I place him in a conservative 'light' group that includes William Kristol. I cancelled my National Review subscription when Buckley died.

BTW, The John Birch Society has been mostly correct over the years, Buckley opposed them.

The book, Witness written by Whitter Chambers is one of the best books ever.

16 posted on 12/04/2012 7:02:42 AM PST by blam
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"They wanted the US out of the UN. Can anyone argue that the UN has been good for America?"

Algier Hiss, the US secretary of state and Soviet spy, wrote the original charter for the UN in San Franciso in 1945.

17 posted on 12/04/2012 7:07:46 AM PST by blam
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To: publius1
Is David Welch a reporter or just a bloviator? In any case, he ought to document his claim: The Tea Party loudly espouses extreme rhetoric and holds untenable beliefs.

Document this or it is not worth anyone's time to read further.

Second, has David Welch ever, ever, ever documented the extreme beliefs and actions of Barack Hussein Obama, who wants to end charity, start up a civilian defense force as powerful as our military, enact legislation by executive order, lower the sea levels and lies, lies, lies, even when he could tell the truth. This is apparently not a problem.

My prediction is that David Welch is a chair-sniffing propagandist and evil, destructive person.

18 posted on 12/04/2012 7:17:12 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: publius1

Not merely horse sh*t, but execrable horse sh*t amounting to a slander both on William F. Buckley AND the Tea Party, as well.

If he were alive today, there can be little doubt that Buckley would endorse, not disparage, the Tea Party.

Clearly, the writer is an utter assh*le, and an ignorant one.

And it’s nonsense like this that is driving the NYT to irrelevance and bankruptcy.


19 posted on 12/04/2012 7:22:18 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: blam

Buckley was not much of a Conservative....matter of fact there is a good chance that Wm. Buckley was an infiltrator and damaging to the C brand. Buckley did purge the Nat Review of true Conservatives and replaced them with the Trotsky wing of the Repubs....the Neo-Con’s that have brought the US nothing but “war for democracy” and replacement citizens from the 3rd world. It is time to FINISH OFF the Republican Party!


20 posted on 12/04/2012 7:24:05 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: blam

AND selected the first 100+ employees


21 posted on 12/04/2012 9:52:23 AM PST by capt B
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To: publius1
The modern-day Birchers are the Tea Party. By loudly espousing extreme rhetoric, yet holding untenable beliefs . . .

The "extreme rhetoric" from the Tea Party is the claim that we are Taxed Enough Already - and decent people consider that an obvious fact, not an extreme position. The "untenable belief" is that federal spending can be cut, but I hope that position will be found tenable before the American economy collapses under the weight of federal debt.

22 posted on 12/04/2012 10:37:53 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: publius1; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

William F. runs his Firing Line show up in Heaven with Elvis, Buddy Holly and Patrice Lumumba!


23 posted on 12/04/2012 10:41:02 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: oldsalt
Isn’t it a little ironic that David Welch shares his last name with Robert Welch...the founder of the John Birch Society?

As well as with Bruce... Welch of the Shadows, and GASP! with Bob... Welch of Fleetwood Mac.

24 posted on 12/04/2012 10:43:41 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: AU72

Dunno. He was goin’ a bit wobbly there at the end.


25 posted on 12/04/2012 10:55:14 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: publius1

A Communist rag advocating for a Socialist Republican Party that gracefully loses to the Democrats. The author is what we call a “concern troll.”


26 posted on 12/04/2012 12:53:40 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: oldsalt
Isn’t it a little ironic that David Welch shares his last name with Robert Welch...the founder of the John Birch Society?

Savor the irony. I wonder if David Welch is aware of it.

The Birch Society was a controlled and organized group. The Tea Party's a lot more amorphous and free-form. Maybe that unruliness is precisely what Welch objects to. But making it into something close to the exact opposite is bizarre, not to say unfair.

David Welch is part of the "GOP elite," but that's not really saying much nowadays. He's just a guy who worked on campaigns till he got a (presumably highly paid) consultant's job. Not exactly a Rockefeller.

27 posted on 12/04/2012 1:24:03 PM PST by x
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