Posted on 12/04/2012 7:55:45 AM PST by Nachum
The Nazi trolls who claim that Jews were leading lights in this are false and do not see the whole picture -- how Jews were persecuted before this and with the rise of nationalism saw communism as one path -- the other paths being integration and the other being migration to Israel and the last being "let's keep things the way they were"
If a Nazi troll reads this, they must see the entire picture
I see no point in denying this, just as much as I see no point in denying that there were blood thirsty communists of every ethnicity -- blaming one is provably historically inaccurate.
Let me give you an example -- when I lived in the UK there were many who had pretty heavy duty anti-American sentiments who would not talk about it if they knew I was American
The best way to combat such ideas was not to hide the topic but to confront it head-on with the FACTS.
In most cases this stopped many cold in their tracks, in all cases, those around me changed their views or at least moderated their anti-Americanisms
I see the same with the anti-Semites. Most will hide and swap lies in the dark knowing that the topic is taboo and they never see the truth, never see both sides
We bring the story out and show all sides and show them that their lies or even worse half-truths are just "Half"
Take the example of Trotsky and the Rothschilds -- one can hear about these as "proof", yet one must also be shown the poverty in the shtetls, the facts that the % of Jews in the communist party while above their % in society as a whole was by no means a majority or even a dominating minority
Shine the light on the lies and show the whole truth to people who have only seen the half-truth and you will get less anti-Semites
Vladimir Ilych Lenin, Tartar, has Leon Trotsky, Jewish, murdered with an axe in Mexico. Joseph Stalin, Georgian, attempts to invent a “doctor’s scandal” to foment anti-Jewish violence in 1950, shortly before his death. Don’t know what date, but some time after 1927, the Yevsektsia, a Jewish faction devoted to aggressive, militant secularization, is purged. I think Jewish influence in the USSR was very much on the wane very early on, if it ever was ascendant.
As I've said before, I'm not Polish by ethnicity or by nationality, so your little attempts at barbs fail
however, your attitude is precisely what will feed anti-semitic attitudes when you post a lie about "hundreds of thousands" -- that exaggerated number is every bit a lit as the myth of Judeo-Bolshevism
Each time some one makes a "hundreds of thousands" statement, it causes people who have no feelings about the topic one way or the other get riled up and then build anti-s attitudes -- so if you want your argument, stick to the facts
After all, it appears to be in the polish blood to kill Jews, to help nazis, and to work with communists. -- congratulations, Yehuda, you've right now caused every person of Polish blood to get the impression that you are blaming them for everything.
do you realise that with statements like that you are building anti-semitism?
you want to keep doing that, go ahead
I seek to point out the lies in blaming Jews for communism and you are getting hysterical and seeking to build up anti-semitism instead of demolishing it by shining the light of the truth on it?
Read rmlew's statement Socialism was well supported by poor European immigrants and this is a clear indicator of why Eastern European Jews AND Poles AND Ukrainians etc. supported socialism -- the history behind this is clear -- Eastern Europe was under the crushing autocracy of the Tsars and the "Socialism" of the 1800s was not the "socialism" that we see today, but more a reaction against autocracy
alloysteel But there were legions who broke out of the constraints of the societies into which they were born, and managed, by sheer dint of will, to enter and excel at many professions and busimess enterprises, eventually becoming the bankers of Europe,....Because of these banking houses, money-grubbing Jew banker became the stereotype for ALL Judaism, whether the simple common Jew was part of it or not. and This last is surprising, in that a good many of the theorists that expanded and developed the International Communist movement were themselves Jews, though not religious practicing members of that community, but thoroughly secular.
Both statements are factual -- Jews were forced into banking as they could not own land and were forbidden from much trades. He is also giving the historical facts behind why they were FORCED into what they were later stereotyped for
and my post saying The Nazi trolls who claim that Jews were leading lights in this are false and do not see the whole picture -- how Jews were persecuted before this and with the rise of nationalism saw communism as one path and Take the example of Trotsky and the Rothschilds -- one can hear about these as "proof", yet one must also be shown the poverty in the shtetls, the facts that the % of Jews in the communist party while above their % in society as a whole was by no means a majority or even a dominating minority
Shine the light on the lies and show the whole truth to people who have only seen the half-truth and you will get less anti-Semites
and let's see your statement it appears to be in the polish blood to kill Jews, to help nazis, and to work with communists. --
What is this, a kind of reverse blood libel?
I see this as just a stupid way of creating or increasing anti-semitic feeling. It's like you are telling every person of Polish blood that you consider them genetically criminal. Your post is then going to build up a counter-reaction and then another build-up on both sides
Quit it -- you want to talk about the facts of Polish anti-semitism, let's do that, where are your facts for your "hundreds of thousands"? where is your proof for "it's in polish blood to kill Jews, help nazis"?
Are you saying that the Poles inviting Jews to live among them for 500 years is false? Are you seriously trying to build up anti-semitism?
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