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House Republicans Cave on Tax Increases and Punt Entitlements
Heritage Foundation ^ | 12/4/2012 | Amy Payne

Posted on 12/04/2012 8:19:48 AM PST by IbJensen

When President Obama put forth his first offer on the fiscal cliff, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said, “You can’t be serious.” We could say the same thing to the Speaker after his counteroffer yesterday.

In a letter signed by House Republican leadership, including Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI), Boehner offered to raise taxes by $800 billion and cut spending by $1.4 trillion, with no substantive reforms to the entitlement programs that are driving U.S. spending and debt.

Heritage’s Alison Fraser, director of the Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies, and J.D. Foster, the Norman B. Ture Senior Fellow in the Economics of Fiscal Policy, quickly responded that “the Republican counteroffer, to the extent it can be interpreted from the hazy details now available, is a dud. It is utterly unacceptable. It is bad policy, bad economics.”

Boehner’s letter to the President actually said that the Republicans were not going to make their more serious proposal, which has already passed the House.

If we were to take your Administration’s proposal at face value, then we would counter with the House-passed Budget Resolution. It assumes an overhaul of our tax code with revenue remaining at historically normal levels and proposes structural reforms to preserve and protect the Nation’s entitlement programs, ensuring they are sustainable for the long-term rather than continuing to grow out of control.

But, they said, “we recognize it would be counterproductive to publicly or privately propose entitlement reforms that you and the leaders of your party appear unwilling to support in the near-term.”

This is precisely the time for laying out bold reforms, showing the nation the principles, vision and policies conservatives share to dig out of this budget mess, today and for the long term. Instead, the leadership pointed to a plan they said was suggested by Erskine Bowles, the co-chair of President Obama’s debt commission and formerly Bill Clinton’s White House Chief of Staff. It raises taxes, but not by raising tax rates—instead, by lowering the amount or number of tax deductions or exemptions available.

This misses the point of the tax reform America really needs, said Fraser and Foster:

While preferable in general to raising tax rates, this proposal largely dooms future efforts at tax reform based on the sound principle of broadening the tax base to lower the rates. Instead, this proposal would broaden the base, not to lower rates, but to raise revenues. So much for improved economic growth.

Essentially, it appears the Republican leadership caved on raising taxes and first steps toward fundamental entitlement reforms that are desperately needed to keep Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid going. To be sure, the Boehner letter is short on details. But, as Fraser and Foster put it, “Beyond disappointing, the House Republican counteroffer appears at best to suggest incremental tweaks to these programs. Without real entitlement reform—not just spending cuts—we will never fix the underlying problem.”

Not only would this be the right course to take, but Americans polled just after the election have these priorities more in order than the President and Congress.

Just a few days after the election, Gallup asked people to rank a list of 12 issues by importance for the President’s second term. Restoring “a strong economy and job market” was No. 1, with entitlement reform—“take major steps to ensure the long-term stability of Social Security and Medicare”—No. 2. “Make major cuts in federal spending” was No. 6 on the list, while raising taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year was way down the list at priority No. 10.

Now is the time for leaders to get serious. That means serious entitlement reforms that will deliver real savings and improve the programs. The President and House Republicans should both start over and work together toward solutions the nation truly needs.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: broncobamaplayboy; debt; denizenofwhitehut; entitlements; lazyphonypres; liar; psycopath; spending; taxes
The DamnocRATs are like seriously sick or diseased children while the RepublicRATs are merely stupid.
1 posted on 12/04/2012 8:19:58 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Why do you think they are purging Conservatives?


2 posted on 12/04/2012 8:20:50 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: IbJensen

Hitler’s Enablers.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 8:23:32 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: IbJensen

None of the politicians are serious because Americans who elect them are no longer serious people. They care more about who will win “Dancing With the Stars” than the fate of their country.


4 posted on 12/04/2012 8:24:42 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: RIghtwardHo

If you mean purging within the Republicrat Party the lead dogs want it to be a mirror image of the Damnocrat Party!

As this next year rolls along the central socialist government will be purging true Conservatives in the same sense as Fidel Castro does. We’ll be imprisoned and our property siezed for use by the evil state.

Republicrats had better wise up. We’re dealing with an insane psychotic here who will do NOTHING that will benefit this poor, sick nation.


5 posted on 12/04/2012 8:24:42 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: henkster

What if instead of carrying our multi-tasking cell phones, we’d carry our Holy Bibles?

Think it might catch on?


6 posted on 12/04/2012 8:26:05 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

“...The DamnocRATs are like seriously sick....”

Liberalism is a severe, chronic, mental disease. Their brains have been rotted out to the point where they are not longer logical or rational. They are “The Walking Dead”.
Republicans are just plain stupid to try to even begin to negotiate with these sick azzholes. IF the Speaker had any nuts at all, he’d adjourn the House and go home for Christmas.


7 posted on 12/04/2012 8:28:32 AM PST by lgjhn23
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To: Secret Agent Man

Chamberlains and Quislings...


8 posted on 12/04/2012 8:29:12 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: IbJensen

Boner should start handing out helmets, lights and pick-axes. We’re gonna be caving soon.

Damn spelunkers.


9 posted on 12/04/2012 8:33:26 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

to get them to kowtow, but it won’t work


10 posted on 12/04/2012 8:35:08 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: henkster

Throw in Hollywood attractions, all kinds of ball sports, rock star concerts and casino gambling and you have USA societal structure fairly well covered.


11 posted on 12/04/2012 8:37:50 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: IbJensen

“What if instead of carrying our multi-tasking cell phones, we’d carry our Holy Bibles?

Think it might catch on?”

In truth I do not. But it would be good for those who do. God preserves a remnant, always.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 8:39:53 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Not so "commanding", not so "inevitable".)
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To: Tenacious 1

“Boner should start handing out helmets, lights and pick-axes.”

I don’t think his Democrat masters allow him that authority.


13 posted on 12/04/2012 8:41:27 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Not so "commanding", not so "inevitable".)
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To: IbJensen
House Speaker John "Alley Oop" Boehner, aka The Caveman.


14 posted on 12/04/2012 8:43:25 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Psalm 144
I don’t think his Democrat masters allow him that authority.

LOL

He's going to have to get a bill passed in the Senate asking permission to cave? It's gonna be a tough one. It'll make the fiscal cliff look like a sidewalk crack.

15 posted on 12/04/2012 8:44:35 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: IbJensen

Again, we fail to understand our opponents. The Democrat voters DO want to reform social security. To them, “reform” means take more money from those making over $250,000 to make absolutely, positively sure that there will be money for the Democrat voters. “Reform” as in raising the age to begin drawing benefits or contributing more of their own money? What, are you high?


16 posted on 12/04/2012 8:48:42 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: IbJensen

Whew! We avoided the dreaded fiscal cliff.

Now at least Boehner, Cantor, et al, can relax while at the DC brothels where they can spend their 30 pieces of silver. And they get to stay ‘friends’ with the Marxist elites for another month or two.


17 posted on 12/04/2012 8:50:00 AM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: IbJensen; SeekAndFind; Kaslin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...
RE House Republicans Cave on Tax Increases and Punt Entitlements,

Obama rejected it out of hand anyway, which Bohner knew he would.
Bohners trying to look like he is trying to work together. He is trying to look reasonable to counter O. I dont see it working.

I still say pass the middle class tax cut extension,
and Send it to Reid,
Get on TV and declare crisis is over, announce a victory for the middle class by the House GOP.
Warn that HIS (Os) raising taxes on the small business owners is a big mistake (they go up by themselves and dont need the GOP approval).
Give O one last (make believe) dramatic plea on TV to not crush employers(fake some tears like Clinton would LOL). Talk about jobs, Americans jobs being lost because of Os proved failed tax policies.

Go home for Christmas just like Reid Senate did exactly a year ago leaving House Rs holding the FICA bag.
Let O and Reid hold it this time round.
Tell voters you did everything in your power to stop this.
Enjoy Christmas!

Quit trying to negotiate , that is hopeless.

18 posted on 12/04/2012 8:51:35 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved yet? And called it historic again?)
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To: IbJensen
But, they said, “we recognize it would be counterproductive to publicly or privately propose entitlement reforms that you and the leaders of your party appear unwilling to support in the near-term.”

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Oh, iow, the GOP leadership recognized reality.

19 posted on 12/04/2012 8:52:38 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: IbJensen
Less than 20 TEA Party type Congress critters need to vote with the 'rats to put Pelosi back in as Speaker.

Boner needs to be made aware that he is on shaky ground.

20 posted on 12/04/2012 8:57:20 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: IbJensen

Even when he was a teenager, Barack Obama displayed his thinking. He liked to participate in the illegal activity of smoking marijuana with a group of other young men. Even in this group of lawbreakers, there were norms of fairness. You passed the choom around one way in the circle. Everybody got their fair hit of choom. Except for Barac. He would cut in any time he felt like it and grab the choom. It looked to me like he was hanging with a group of white boys, so they probably felt that stopping him from violating the norm might be seen as a racist act. Obama was exploiting his skin color. A white kid grabbing the choom out of order would probably have been slapped. So, we’re supposed to just laugh off Obama’s behavior. He’s exploiting his skin color. I don’t care if he is darker than me, he’s a grifter.....a con man.....a pickpocket. There’s no honor amongst crooks.


21 posted on 12/04/2012 9:00:43 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: IbJensen

You can get the Bible (in its many versions) on your cell phone as an app. :)


22 posted on 12/04/2012 9:08:58 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: IbJensen

Mr. Boehner, you can clean the gavel for Nancy, you worthless piece of dog crap.


23 posted on 12/04/2012 9:17:03 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: IbJensen
Boehner counter-proposal, an immediate "progressive" surtax on all registered independents/democrats, those with a net-worth of 1M+=30%, 10M+=40%, 100M+=50%...including a required public disclosure of those who try to change their political affiliation or hide/shelter their assets.

Tell'em to put their money where their mouth is.

24 posted on 12/04/2012 9:24:06 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: IbJensen

350K votes in 4 states and this is the result? 2010 was just 2 years ago, and the GOP holds historically high non-DC seats of power.


25 posted on 12/04/2012 9:27:19 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: sickoflibs

Agree totally, eventhough the higher rate will affect me personally.


26 posted on 12/04/2012 9:37:22 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: IbJensen

27 posted on 12/04/2012 9:39:33 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: PMAS; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...
RE :” Agree totally, eventhough the higher rate will affect me personally.”

If they just extend to $250K then that is fractional income so if you earn $300K then the higher rate is on the $50K, is my understanding, not the first $250K.
I am not saying that is great policy as it obviously will deter some from earning the extra $50K

Now even if House Rs extended it to say $300 or $500K as Buffet now recommends then they still would improve their chances of not suffering another humiliating defeat by O as with last years FICA standoff (and you know they gave in to him after that anyway)

And why should they go on record as raising any taxes when-that is unnecessary?

To me it seems like they are playing an empty hand of not even pairs against O who has lined up all the aces on this one.
I cant even fake surprise at the coming outcome, its too predictable.

28 posted on 12/04/2012 9:52:48 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved yet? And called it historic again?)
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To: sickoflibs; PMAS; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; ...

” To me it seems like they are playing an empty hand of not even pairs against O who has lined up all the aces on this one.
I cant even fake surprise at the coming outcome, its too predictable. “

Yeah....when it happens every time, it is predictable.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 10:05:50 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale

“If they just extend to $250K then that is fractional income so if you earn $300K then the higher rate is on the $50K, is my understanding, not the first $250K.”

That is the way the tax code works, you pay different rates at different levels of your own income.

Federal Income Tax Brackets for 2012

Tax Bracket Married Filing Jointly Single
10% Bracket $0–$17,400 $0–$8,700
15% Bracket $17,400–$70,700 $8,700–$35,350
25% Bracket $70,700–$142,700 $35,350–$85,650
28% Bracket $142,700–$217,450 $85,650–$178,650
33% Bracket $217,450–$388,350 $178,650–$388,350
35% Bracket Over $388,350 Over $388,350


30 posted on 12/04/2012 10:30:16 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: PMAS

You know why Bohner is kicking the conservatives off the committees? Its for the coming ‘deal’


31 posted on 12/04/2012 10:38:34 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved yet? And called it historic again?)
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To: sickoflibs

” You know why Bohner is kicking the conservatives off the committees? Its for the coming ‘deal’”

No other reason to do it. Very transparent.


32 posted on 12/04/2012 10:40:52 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker
"You know why Boehner is kicking the conservatives
off the committees? Its for the coming ‘deal’ "..
No other reason to do it. Very transparent.
He's a Stinkin' B@$...d scumbag...

33 posted on 12/04/2012 10:50:58 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: PMAS

PMAS, I don’t agree with that. I may not be right, but my take is that once you qualify for a higher rate, you pay that higher rate on all your income.

If you earn $250,500, you’re not only going to be taxed at the higher rate on $500.00. Your tax would change very little under those circumstances. You’re tax changes significantly when you exceed a new level even by a few dollars.


34 posted on 12/04/2012 12:11:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: skinkinthegrass
He's a Stinkin' B@$...d scumbag...

Stop right there, and you're golden!

35 posted on 12/04/2012 12:23:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs

Exactly right.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 12:24:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: DoughtyOne

No, that’s not the case. It is progressive, I know I go through every detail with my accountant who is also a tax attorney.


37 posted on 12/04/2012 4:31:59 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: PMAS

I’ll take your word for it. If you’re a tax attorney, you should know.


38 posted on 12/04/2012 4:49:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: DoughtyOne

No, I’m not a tax attorney - my accountant is also a tax attorney.

Anyway, here is a link to a pretty good federal tax rate calculator if you enter the amounts it gives you the tax amount due:
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_calculator.htm


39 posted on 12/04/2012 4:53:34 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: PMAS

Oops, can’t read either. LOL

Thanks for the link.


40 posted on 12/04/2012 5:01:45 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Funny


41 posted on 12/04/2012 5:14:06 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: PMAS

:^)


42 posted on 12/04/2012 5:36:45 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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