Donations to Obama from faculty, staff, at Catholic colleges outpaced those to Romney

Daily Caller ^ | 12/4/12 | Caroline May

[Nachum]

The vast majority of faculty and staff members from the nation’s top Catholic universities donated to President Barack Obama’s campaign over Republican nominee Mitt Romney’s this cycle, according to a new report. Ninety-one percent of the employees at 23 different Catholic schools gave to Obama, according to Federal Elections Commission data available on OpenSecrets.org and analysed by the conservative college site Campus Reform. Much has been made of Obama’s Affordable Care Act mandate requiring employers to provide contraception coverage, a requirement that church officials say conflicts with Catholic religious doctrine,

[ansel12]

That is two posts that aren’t relevant to what I posted.

It is silly to claim that Catholics are Obama’s biggest enemy in America, his biggest enemies are those who are doing everything in their power to drive him and his party from office in elections, who fight his party tooth and nail, and who are his hardcore political opposition, not his voting blocs.

[JCBreckenridge]

“That is two posts that aren’t relevant to what I posted.”

Answer the question, ansel. Do you, or do you not, support contraception?

[Mrs. Don-o]

The reality may be more complicated.

As I see it, the Catholic Church is the largest "potential" institutional opposition to Obama, since it has the most and biggest institutions, i.e. thousands of schools at the primary, secondary, and post-secondary level; hospitals, clinics and medical missions; charities, care homes for the aged; adoption, child and family services, etc. --- plus a clear doctrinal mandate in black and white.

On the other hand, it's precisely these institutions --- not owned by dioceses, not controlled by religious orders, existing corporately with their own 501(c)(3)'s or whatever --- whose loyalties have been most vacillating. And in many cases, "vacillating" is putting it mildly.

You'll notice that the Pope has just put out a renewed call for a real Catholic "identity" in Catholic Charities, De Caritate Ministranda. It's just that, a "call," and may not get any more traction than the Ex Corde Ecclesiae which was supposed to be implemented ten years ago to strengthen the Catholic identity of Catholic Universities.

So you've got what ought to have been a united front of very impressive Catholic institutions, which is in fact riven with splits, each one with a war raging within its own walls.

The old, the only war: "Will ye have this Christ, or no?"

My impression is that in most other historically Christian institutions (Lutheran, Presbyterian, Baptist; universities, hospitals, etc.) things are far quieter, even seemingly serene, because the war is long over, and long lost.

In Catholic circles, we are still suffering the noise, smoke, pain and struggle which is our hope: the war goes on, and the battle is hot.

[JCBreckenridge]

Yes, exactly so. There’s a war within that is being fought, and the last thing we need are heretics and schismatics siding with the enemy.

If you agree with church doctrine, that is one thing. If you disagree with church doctrine, go sit with your allies that are trying to tear us down.

We need all the help we can get - what we don’t need are more enemies who can’t see in front of their own navels. We’ll be around and fighting long after you blow away and are forgotten.

[chuckles]

IMO, The "church" is not the enemy, but the "priesthood is. The people only do what they see. The church "government" is the one that does nothing to fight evil.

I know that statement will get reams of groans and "What about Bishop so and so, or what about Cardinal so and so". As a group, the priesthood is liberal. Libs now run the church and have for years. When ever disention comes, the troops line up to defend something, I'm never sure what it is. I think they think the church is defending Jesus or something, but it really is defending men that support politicians like Kennedy, Peolsi, Kerry , or Biden. It's now about the money and power. They would rather have Pelosi in a high position, that defend babies from murder. Look at the decades of debauchery of the Kennedy's and tell me why the church still claims them? It's all about free money for food stamps or rent subsidies instead of saving babies and fighting sodomy. Many lay people know this and are examples of what the church should be, but they are undercut by the priesthood. If we don't figure this out soon, ( this is my opinion, of course), the church as we know it is lost.

What I am using as a pattern is all the other denominations that have fallen into destruction over the years. Any denomination that has women pastors, accept homosexual marriage, accept abortion, ect, have recently hit the skids. When you say The Catholic Church is headed the same way, you get this resistance that usually contains the statement about the "gates of Hell". That just means they are in denial. When you spend your life learning the catechisms of the church, and then see them stepped on under foot by the same people that taught you the rules, do you really believe the church still follows Christ, or follows the changing culture of the world. The church should be leading and not following.

For me, God has put the stark choices in front of every Christian, Catholic and Protestant, and we are failing. Abortion and sodomy are just the most black and white issues one could have to make your choice. If 50% vote for Obama, and even more support Pelosi, Kennedy's, Biden, or Kerry, then it should be obvious we have a problem in the church. Catholics can bitch and moan about the prots, but that doesn't fix the Catholic church, which is something we should have a say in. To say black prots overwhelmingly voted for Obama means nothing to me if Catholic colleges, supported by Catholics, with catholic professors vote overwhelmingly for Obama,...well that means something to me. Why doesn't it concern the government of the church? Why aren't some people losing their jobs, not to mention the Sacraments? Why is my money going to finance this? The Baptists are going though the same thing. They believe Genesis literally, yet finance Baylor college which teaches the opposite. Whatever way you believe, should you support the exact opposite? We give money to support catholic endeavors, yet we reap the works of Satan.( Yes, I don't think it's a stretch to compare Obama to the works of Satan)

I've been complaining for years now with absolutely ZERO concern by the Church. For me this is devastating to see open sin in the church with absolutely no consequences. I don't see the difference in Pelosi receiving Eucharist, and priests molesting kids. Pelosi is even out in the open and bragging about her rebellion. At least the priests tried to hide their sin. The real shame came when the Priesthood tried to keep it quiet. Men fall, men fail, we all do, but you can't hide it and overlook it. Kerry, Biden and others don't hide their contempt for the church, yet nothing is ever done or said.

I have to tell you, i have worried about the direction of the Catholic Church now for so long, it is affecting my Spiritual life. I have to examine each and every statement and position of the church and try to discern if it's from God or man. It's exhausting. I love Jesus, but question the church, and it's killing me. I have almost no support. So many just fall in line, salute, and start to defend the indefensible. In the recent past, I have noticed a small cadre of people that will finally admit there is something wrong, but we still have no effect on anything. I'm terrified of the day when there are so many liberal Cardinals, we get a liberal Pope. I can almost imagine a "Hope and Change" Pope. Can't we all just get along?......Not me,.... not with baby killers and sodomites. I have a line somewhere out there I will not cross. I'm not sure just exactly where it is yet, but I'm sure it's much closer than I think, right now. The church has a "teachable" moment right now. When we are all on food stamps without a job and sodomites are married in the church, will the pew warmers finally get it?

[JCBreckenridge]

Chuckles, bear with me please. I’m going to ask the same question to you as I asked Ansel. Do you support contraception?

“What I am using as a pattern is all the other denominations that have fallen into destruction over the years. Any denomination that has women pastors, accept homosexual marriage, accept abortion, ect, have recently hit the skids. When you say The Catholic Church is headed the same way, you get this resistance that usually contains the statement about the “gates of Hell”. “

Actually, the Church has been a bulwark against secularism, and have been going at it alone for close to 80 years now. All of the protestants have caved, in some way shape or form to the sexual revolution. Some are just further down the line than others.

[ansel12]

What I have seen over my lifetime, is that there has never been a true fight between the Catholics and their party, only squabbles that occasionally pop-up, this election happened in the middle of one of those squabbles and it didn’t affect the voting.

The true enemy of the democrats and Obama, are his actual enemies, the Evangelical Christians whose vote and whose unceasing, unyielding opposition, haunt the democrats in their nightmares.

We know what the democrats know, that sabers will be rattled, and yet Catholics will not start voting like Obama’s enemies vote.

This is a gentleman’s argument, that the Catholics and their party are having.

[ansel12]

Yeah right, that is why the Catholic denomination votes democrat, because they are the only ones standing up to the democrats.

When we see the Catholics become opposition to the democrats, then we can accept that they are fighting them, but that is never going to happen.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I think it's pointless for Catholics and Evangelicals to argue along the lines of "Our liberals aren't as liberal as your liberals," or "Obama's more scared of us than of you." The fact is, Obama won because way too many Catholics AND Evangelicals either didn't vote for Romney, or didn't vote at all.

We've yet to reach the point of honestly facing this problem together.

Evangelicals didn't turn out in above-average numbers, even though they are often portrayed as a highly motivated voting group. Keep in mind that 43% of eligible voters did not vote in 2012. Evangelicals make up about 26% of the voting-age population, and cast 26% of the votes, which means they were flat-average, no more purposeful or dedicated than anybody else.

White Catholics went for Romney 59-41
Hispanic Catholics went for Obama 74-21
White Evangelicals went fo Romney 79-20
Black Evangelicals went for Obama 95-5.

Looks like we've all got problems, doesn't it?

So let's lay off the denominational sniping, and put our heads together to figure out how to get out of this fine mess we're in, shall we?

Or hey, just go on sniping, though I doubt you'll feel a whole lot better when we "all hang separately."

[ansel12]

I think it's pointless for Catholics and Evangelicals to argue along the lines of "Our liberals aren't as liberal as your liberals," or "Obama's more scared of us than of you." The fact is, Obama won because way too many Catholics AND Evangelicals either didn't vote for Romney, or didn't vote at all.

Simply amazing, I'm interested in the politics, it is you doing the denominational chauvinism stuff, Catholics voted for Obama, they voted for him last time, and they have almost always voted democrat, and they always will, yet you still want to bash the most right wing group in America as being inadequate, or like Catholics.

What nonsense, you can't keep pretending that Catholics aren't good little liberals, and that 79% of Evangelicals voting pro-life isn't extraordinarily conservative voting, and totally different from the liberal Catholic vote.

All this posturing and sabre rattling about how the Catholics this, Catholics that, the real warriors, the only ones the left is afraid of, etc, etc, heck they aren't the solution, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM! They are the left!

This Catholic delusion, coverup, denial, dishonesty, is incredibly disturbing, no wonder this goes on for generation after generation, and is going to eventually drown us with Catholic immigration.

As long as the democrats can count on winning the majority of Catholic voters for their pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and anti-God party, then they will be doing everything in their power to increase the number of Catholic voters.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I gave you the numbers, and you did not dispute them. Q.E.D.

'Night now.

[JCBreckenridge]

Which is why you refuse to answer the contraception question. ;)

So at least we know now that you support contraception. You probably think that it’s the way of the progressive future.

[ansel12]

Suddenly we discover that Catholicism is a white religion, because in 2012 against Jimmy CarterII, Romney received 59% of the vote of the ever fewer remaining whites in the Catholic church, in 2008 McCain got 52% of them while winning 48% of the Protestant Hispanics.

In 2004, Hispanic Protestants voted at the same exact percentage for McCain as “white” Catholics did.

The Catholic denomination is a denomination, not a race, and the Catholic membership voted for Obama again.

I don’t know how the black and Hispanic, Southern Baptists vote, we do know that as usual, the non-Catholic, Christian vote in America went pro-life, and republican as a whole even when blacks are included.

When conservatives and pro-lifers are faced with something so devastating as the vote of the Christians who are Catholic, why can’t we speak openly about trying to fix it, rather than have to pretend that it doesn’t exist at all?

The Protestant vote never goes democrat, even though it is merely a catch-all category of Christians who range from black to white, from lesbian and homosexual to Evangelical, from Episcopalian to Presbyterian, it is all the Christians who are not Catholic, yet as a whole, they still do not
come out as a democrat, pro-abortion vote, the Catholic membership does.

If only we could get those Christians who are members of the
Catholic denomination, to vote like those Christians who are not, we would all be better off and the future would be hopeful. Instead we run into stone walling and denial, even bizarre claims that we need more Catholic voting.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I never said Catholicism is a white religion, any more than you said Protestant/Evangelicalism is a white religion. I'm making the point that too many religious people of any persuasion vote their race, sex, color, or --- even worse --- their zip code, rather than their faith.

I certainly agree that Catholics overall, of all races, would do better if they voted like Evangelicals overall. You hadn't noticed that I said Catholics have an infidelity-to-Catholicism problem? Cheese, I say that pret'near every time I post.

Now G'night really, my dear!

[ansel12]

It would truly be a blessing if all Christians voted like Evangelicals, but just voting like the average Protestant would be enough to make most conservatives happy.

It is heartbreaking to know that the Catholic vote is a pro-abortion, democrat vote.

If only we could get those Christians who are members of the
Catholic denomination, to vote like those Christians who are not, we would all be better off and the future would be hopeful.

[chuckles]

Actually, IMO, American Catholics voting wrong is just the tip of the problem.

Just stop and take a look at worldwide Catholics. They almost universally support murdering dictators with Socialistic tendencies. Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador, and many more in Africa, and so on, all have a majority Catholic population that really believes the government should steal from the people to support whatever money pit the dictator believes God would have him support. They all are corrupt and participate in murder and human rights abuse. Where is the Church on these countries? Just look at what is going on in Mexico. Could the Church have no effect on such a country?

Maybe I'm wrong to expect some word to come from the church when a politician declares war on the Church. This was really the most I've heard recently about, who to vote for, during the last Obama race and we still voted at least 50% for someone openly hostile to us. The first go round was I think 56-57%( I've heard as much as 60%) was for Obama whose only vote other than "present" was for killing an aborted baby after being born alive. It is just disheartening with so many obvious problems in the Church, people stay in denial and back what's going on( or what's NOT going on), in the Church. It can only get worse from here. To have a majority openly vote for evil, and then say they are just "cafeteria" Catholics is missing the point, IMO. The Cafeteria seems to be in charge now.