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Posted on 12/05/2012 2:04:15 PM PST by dragnet2
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“...Given the choice of dying on a hilltop for the glory of obuma fascism or heading home to watch COPS and drink a beer, they will go home to watch TV. Every time....”
Let’s hope you’re right, Sarge. I sure hope you are.
Most of the LEOs in my neck of the woods live in the neighborhood, and they are gunnies. They SEEM to be on our side of things.
But when it comes down to the choice of keeping their pensions and livelihood versus upholding an oath and refusing the door-to-door confiscate order with the Federales, we’ll see where their loyalties lie.
Youre missing my point. You all are solely to blame for the current environment in regard to gun control in CA. What have you done to stop it? I think nothing at all. Then you try to work up some kinship w/ gun owners in states who worked hard to push back the tyranny. Nothing will change in CA as long as you justify your lazy cowardice. Sure, go ahead and poke at me but the fact remains youre no better than the liberals you let take over CA. Perhaps you might come out worse in that you knew what was right and did nothing effective.
“...no better than the liberals you let take over CA...”
I don’t know that anybody “let” them take over so much as they actively and aggressively gamed the political system, strategized, targeted areas, ran for office, overwhelmed the area with numbers, and won the seats. Once you get the legislative and judicial levers at your disposal, well, there it goes.
To begin to reverse it, good folks have to run, win, embed and entrench themselves, and HOLD the seats. Local, township, county, state level - all and every.
And the problem as I see it is that the “good people” are busy working, trying to earn a living and support families, busting their asses to keep their heads above water - while the dirtbags have people like Soros, rich Hollywood moonbats, and other moneybags financing them with endlessly deep pockets and a compliant media to further it.
How do you counter that? With a feckless GOP that rolls over and shows it’s backside at the merest hint of confrontation?
The Dems fight like hell to get their people elected. The GOP, not so much.
So maybe the start of it is - replacing the damned RINOs at the local, county and state level and taking back areas that can be taken back.
And yeah...it may be too late there. But not everywhere.
If moving is an option, then conservatives should move to areas where other conservatives are, where the local politics is conservative, and where you can consolidate and make a “Free State” mentality grow. Door to door campaign, if you have to.
Sounds easy, I know...easier said than done.
“well see where their loyalties lie.”
I know cops. The key word is “pension.”
I understand completely! Its a hard road to walk b/c as you said theres a job to do, family to take care of etc etc. OTOH the liberals are paid to take over and ‘rule’. I would greatly encourage you all to get in the and fight. I agree that CA is a hard case but if the liberals won you can too. There’s nothing magic about what they did. Its about hard work and not giving up. Frankly, I think the job isnt so hard as you think. Consider even libs own guns. They just need to be made to understand that some (probably large) population of them will lose those if the end game plays out. Even in TN my lib neighbours huffed and puffed about not giving up their guns. When faced w/ the sad fact the party they support was going to do just that they had no argument. My hope was if I confronted them often enough the light would finally dawn.
I live in Pennsy, and we are fighting like hell to keep this a Gunny state. We are a thumb in their eye on the East Coast, and fully intend to remain as such.
I also have neighbors that are libs, but are not absolute lunatic fringe moonbats. They’re just ignorant - read clueless - about who and what the party is that they’re supporting. I don’t necessarily think they’re bad people - just brainwashed and conditioned to think a certain way.
I’m doing all I can to change that and will continue to do so.
I am fortunate, however, in that the majority of the folk I live near are former and retired military, so it’s a decent base to start from.
“...The key word is pension....”
Sure, and that’s a powerful motivator.
So for those that choose to follow that path, well...I’ll leave that one hanging and not go further. That’s their choice.
Very similar situation here. The fight is mostly about maintaining but we’ve had some very good forward progress lately. Mostly libs here are of the type where you are in PA. They just dont think it thru. Ive made it my business to stimulate their brains in regard to gun ownership. My neighbourhood is a mixed bag but gun fire is common year round. That said its a 24x7 ‘job’ to make sure we dont lose ground. That all said, its not really about us at all but future generations. We need to make sure they enjoy these same freedoms and more. Ive travelled the world some and there’s absolutely no place like the US!
I’m not either, I just pinged you for old-time’s sake.
Gun laws were one of the main reasons I left Mexikalifornistan for North Florida.
“...one of the main reasons I left ...”
Travis - It’s absolutely repugnant that WE have to leave from ANYWHERE in our own Country.
“...We need to make sure they enjoy these same freedoms and more. Ive travelled the world some and theres absolutely no place like the US!...”
Which goes back to my original point, my good brother from the great state of Tennessee.... We need everyone who believes in and loves the liberty and ideals of this country, whatever state they’re in. I look at folks who are “behind enemy lines” and I see those people who are being messed with mercilessly.
My attitude is: They f*** with one of us, they’re f***ing with ALL of us.
I work with Jersey folks who are trying to get CCW in New Jersey. They believe it WILL happen, eventually and they are pushing for it at all levels. PA gunnies are helping where they can - and, conversely, we’re keeping NJ style gun BS OUT of PA by working with the Jersey folks.
We just need to stick together and be a wall - and every time the the libtards try to mess with us, they’ll beat themselves senseless against that wall.
Your last sentence said it all, friend...there IS absolutely no place like the US. Up to us to make sure that that remains so.
On a different note...how in the hell did Tennessee give us an amazing Patriot like Davey Crockett, and then turn around and produce Al Gore??? :^) hahah!!!
It is what it is. I have zero hope that we will have 50 states as currently constituted in 20 years. Regions of relative freedom are my best-case scenario. Worst case runs from Max Max to hard tyranny on the level of Hitler or Stalin. Of course, I’ll be dead by then, picked up in the early purges. With luck, surrounded by hot brass and DRT, and not just thrown in a torture cell.
I just heard PA described as Pittsburg and Philly, with Arkansas in between.
Davy Crockett went to Texas. There is a lesson there. Even if he died at the Alamo, a lot of other great patriots didn’t, and they built a great state.
‘On a different note...how in the hell did Tennessee give us an amazing Patriot like Davey Crockett, and then turn around and produce Al Gore??? :^) hahah!!!’
Yup, every state has their embarrassments and TN has its share for sure. Lets not forget Jim Sasser, Lamar Alexander, Bob Corker and Ned and his ilk in the TN legislature...but the list is huge. We can mostly keep them in check or at least in state. Sometimes one will get away from you though and inflict itself on the rest of the nation. Sorry about that guys, really! As an aside TN being red is a slight myth. People here have a good appetite for public $ just like most anywhere. You have the worthless along side those who want to make their own way. At the moment the later group is in a slight majority but only just.
On the other subject Ive always felt trust and deference were earned. Its really hard to have that toward lazy gun owners in places like CA, NJ, MA, IL to name a few. It was thru inaction and lack of conviction theyre in the place they are now. They were outclassed by liars. Why would I support such a bunch when they wont even do for themselves? Just saying....
In NH you hear the same old song from MA residents who come here to buy guns. They whine and grouse about MA gun laws but never do anything more. They beg the counter guy to sell them a gun they know wont pass muster in MA. The clerk is powerless to do anything about it, he’s complying w/ the law. Why don’t these whiners make a diff in their state instead of beating the clerk up? Basically b/c they’re lazy and self absorbed. I just can’t see spending my limited time on someone like that. In the end I think my efforts will be wasted for no purpose.
“...surrounded by hot brass...”
I hear you, brother...loud and clear.
“...Pittsburg and Philly, with Arkansas in between...”
Sort of true. There’s a heavy gunny population here, lots of hunters and people “Un-re-educatable” attitudes.
Proud of it, too, as you can probably tell :^).
Philly is just sh*t with a Thug for mayor and a Thug for police chief, and Thugs on city council. Wasn’t always so. I grew up there, and it was a great city once, with some pockets of sh*t.
Now, it’s a sh*t city with pockets of great.
Pittsburgh - never been there, but it’s probably the same.
“...Davy Crockett went to Texas...”
His famous statement “Ya’ll can go to Hell. I’m going to Texas!” Amazing guy. He put it on the line for what he loved and believed in - helping other Americans.
That’s what we need.
“...Yup, every state has their embarrassments ...”
Oh yeah for sure, buddy...After all, PA gave the world Arlen Specter, he of the “Single Bullet Theory” (or Magic Bullet) in the JFK saga...a theory so monumentally stupid that it defies belief, and yet...there it is...
And then there’s John Murtha, an ABSCAM-stung Democrat politician who was just pure scum...
And Fast Eddie Rendell...
Yeah...we’ve got our crosses to bear too.
“...Why dont these whiners make a diff in their state instead of beating the clerk up? Basically b/c theyre lazy and self absorbed....”
Maybe they seriously just have no clue how to do so. Remember, a lot of folks have been asleep at the wheel for a long time, and are just waking up to what’s going on.
Guys like us, we’ve been fighting this fight since Slick Willy, Waco, Ruby Ridge and before; but it took incidents like those to open our eyes.
I give the benefit of the doubt where I can, because I’ve turned quite a few folks into CCW holders and active gunnies over the last few years - folks who weren’t paying attention and now are.
I’ll do what I can, where I can, whenever I can to increase our numbers, one Citizen at a time.
Every one of us is one less for the other side.
And so he lives on forever. How many heroes from centuries past can you name? Damn few, offhand. He’s one. That’s something.
Appreciated. Rumor has it that CA intends to start long gun registration in 2013. I really need to leave this place permanently in the rear view mirror.
And specifically how did that occur? Are you blaming all those purchasing guns or conservatives as a whole for being outnumbered by others?
Nothing will change in CA as long as you justify your lazy cowardice.
Again, could you describe what you mean by cowardice? Are you speaking to me directly or all conservatives in CA?
This very attitude is why nothing will change positively in CA. Its everyone elses fault. Hmm, sounds like liberal logic.
So tell me slick, are you taking the blame for having a Communist block Captain out of Chicago as President?
I noted you evaded the above question. Could you address this? Are you not to blame? Is it everyone else's fault?
That law is already on the books. It’s illegal for the mentally unbalanced to own guns.
L'havdil, the American "Zakor"...
“..How many heroes from centuries past can you name?...”
Captain John Parker and every single militiaman who stood tall at Lexington
Doctor Joseph Warren
Merriwether Lewis and William Clarke
Doc Jonas Salk
John Moses Browning
General John Pershing
Alvin S. York
George S. Patton
Dorrie Miller at Pearl Harbor
Eric Fisher Woods jr
John Basilone on the ‘Canal, and Iwo
Cpl Johnny Spillane at Tarawa
Frances Gabby Gabreski
My Marine uncles, and my Airborne Dad...
I have more. These are American heroes.
These are the people I grew up admiring and wanted to be like. Americans who were thoroughly American through and through - they lived it, loved it, bled, cried, and died for it. With all of their successes, failures, faults, and strengths, they lived their lives and did what they did because they were Americans first and foremost, and put country and people before self.
Yeah...I can name a few...these are my people, people with heart and spirit that this Country produced, and I love all of them as Americans, as brothers, and as my Countrymen.
And maybe if we all take a moment out here on FR, each day to present the individual story of people like these gentlemen, we just pick an American HERO and post his or her story...
...well, maybe then we’ll be doing a little bit more to help KEEP that legacy alive.
“And specifically how did that occur? Are you blaming all those purchasing guns or conservatives as a whole for being outnumbered by others?”
Youre really clueless!!! Buying guns isnt whats needed, its grassroots activism, getting involved at local/state level to influence legislation and communities. This is ‘how it happened’...youre too self absorbed to care about your neighbours and state. Outnumbered? I think not. Even stupid liberals arm themselves and can be made (eventually) to understand why ‘gun control’ is a non-starter.
Yes, Im speaking to gun owners as a whole in CA. Its not about you in particular. You didnt cause the problem on your own.
Not sure what the point of your last stmts are. I didn evade any question....what youre saying makes no sense in the context.
‘My Marine uncles, and my Airborne Dad...’
These ‘nameless’ guys, most of whom didnt want to go but did and exemplified themselves, are at the top of my list!!! Their stories are amazing!!!
“...most of whom didnt want to go but did ...”
And they’d have gone back if asked or required of them. Quiet heroes, who came home, lived out their lives, and loved their Country.
Today is Pearl Harbor Day.
God bless all those Americans who never came home...
Truce, guys...it’s Pearl Harbor day.
God bless all those Americans who never came home
Amen. God bless them all.
Not George Washington?
33 years ago today, BUD/S Class 105 graduated, and I was among that proud group.
December 7th always meant a little bit more to us.
I love hearing my dads stories...when hes willing to talk about it. Ive also done a fair amt of research on my uncle’s time. He was one of those who didnt come home. I would have loved to know him...what a character!
Yup, PH. Was there, at the AZ memorial, not too many years ago. Its was awe inspiring!!!
Been there, done that. Just because the news refuses to report something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Oh, Yes, “Gen’l George” is up there as well, but he’s a given. He’s just such a monumental figure in our history. His exploits are amazing.
I remember reading about Lewis and Clarke and the Corps of Discovery as a kid and wishing I’d been on that expedition. I loved that time period of our history. And of course, we ALL know - NOW, because we’ve been told by “experts” - that they’d have NEVER made it without Sacajawea, because they were too incompetent to figure their own way... (sarc, of course)
The westward expansion into the wilderness. Amazing... except for the evil white men treating the poor, peaceful, gentle natives so cruelly, because we’ve been told by “experts”.
Jefferson had this absolutely giant mentality of individual liberty and hostility towards anything tried to oppress “the little guy” that transcends time. He’s the embodiment of American liberty to me. But this is negated, of course, because “he owned slaves” and “may have slept with his slave woman”...because we’ve been told by “experts”
Another American that I always admired was Colonel Custer (Brevet General). A much maligned figure - of late - but when he died, it was considered by the Americans of that time as a National tragedy. He actually tried to deal fairly with the Indians’ grievances against corrupt government Indian Agency personnel who were swindling the tribes. Also chased out miners who were trespassing in the Black Hills (Sioux holy land). You don’t hear about all that, though...only that he was some arrogant dumb-ass idiot that split his command into three and managed to get himself and 280 guys wiped out...because we’ve been told by “experts” that this is so.
We’ve been treated to our own history being re-written to demonize or smear OUR heroes, our history, our accomplishments.
That’s why the ONLY way to learn history is to read the accounts of these folks from the time that they happened - not from some idiot Marxist “social studies” professor who never held a real job in his life.
And teach our children to learn it the same way.
And when you call feinstein's office and the staffer says she'll put your "NO" down on the "yes" list for a particular bill. We found that breaking their fax machines was more effective than phone calls.
And to go in and educate them about an issue? Cutting through all the kool-aide that they've had is a huge job.
God bless, brother.
You are a member of an elite fraternity and a warrior for the ages. Not something that everybody can claim.
The “Green Faced Frogmen” who made Charlie sh*t his pants in ‘Nam.
For some reason, that thought always makes smile...
I hear you SCalGal...loud and clear.
This is what happens when they barbarians are LET INSIDE the gates by folks that claim to be our countrymen...
But, do what you can, where you can, and however you can.
YOU can train someone to shoot; you can take someone to the range, help them pick out a firearm, help them with technique, etc.,
You can do more than you realize and your influence extends far beyond what you may think.
We’re ALL an “Army of One” if we choose to be. And we should endeavor to choose to be, at every opportunity.
But what Everett Hale say - “I am only one, but I AM one. I can’t do everything, but I can do ONE THING, and the one thing that I can do, I will do.”
Millions of “Ones” add up to a whole lot of pissed off Americans.
“...Yup, PH. Was there, at the AZ memorial, not too many years ago. Its was awe inspiring!!!...”
Never got further west then the Ohio border.
I will someday, though. I want to go to Pearl and pay my respects one day. I need to.
Don't forget the press. Fighting all that free advertizing is more than an uphill battle.
Are you taking the blame for having a Communist block Captain out of Chicago as President?
Is it everyone else fault? Is it your fault for being outnumbered? Are you a coward? Why didn't you stop this?
You blame CA conservatives for everything wrong in CA.
Yet your entire government is a cesspool of socialism, as you do nothing to point the finger at everyone else.
“...Don’t forget the press...”
Once again, it goes back to the fact that the other side actively goes after the position where they can control the flow of info, law, opinion, etc.
Nothing will change until our side does the same thing.
Here in PA we passed Voter ID, by something like 70% approval of the folks in the state.
A Democrat Judge nullified it - “for this election only, because there isn’t enough time for people to get photo IDs” And PA went to Jughead for the second time.
What? Really? Are you effing KIDDING me? So when one operative in a position like that can strike down a law (even temporarily) that the MAJORITY of the state wanted passed... that means WE have to have our people in those positions ultimately.
But that in turn means that good people have to in fact run for those positions, and be prepared to take the garbage and smears that the other side will bring to the fight.
If you want to be the enemy, you have to fight HARDER than the enemy - an inconvenient little factoid that the GOP doesn’t seem to grasp.
I agree with those who say that we need to be understanding of the times of the historical figures we presume to judge. Our Founding Fathers lived in a society that was quite different from ours, and yet they created the best country in the world. Those who damn them for slavery are ignorant of history, since slaves had been a reality of life since ancient times, and likely existed long before recorded history.
“If you want to BEAT the enemy,”
“...Those who damn them for slavery are ignorant of history, since slaves had been a reality of life since ancient times, and likely existed long before recorded history....”
You know, I don’t think they’re ignorant of history at all- I do believe they know exactly what they’re doing - emphasizing those parts of history that they know to be inflammatory to to anger one segment of society (blacks), shame and guilt another segment into silence or rejection (whites), and inflame another segment that the land was STOLEN from them (hispanics, illegals).
They know EXACTLY what they’re doing because they’ve studied human nature for decades and perfected it in other countries before setting it off here.
Find the scabs, pick at them, infect them, and then sit back and watch it fester into something ugly, so you can come in and propose the cure. That’s been the game plan for a long time.
Some of them know what they’re doing, but a surprising number of people are uneducated about history, which is why those who use the issue of early American slavery to divide us are able to get away with their lies.
“...surprising number of people are uneducated about history,...”
Sure thing - because it’s not being taught; and what IS being taught is Marxist revisionist BS where the typical American is the evil, nasty slave-owning Simon Le Gree and the poor, downtrodden people of color (all good Democrats of course) are the noble victims.
So you have one segment being taught that their ancestors were horrible folks, and the others taught that they’re OWED something.
Not conducive to good relations...and a _resident who just keeps picking at that scab.
And this passes for public education. Kids today know everything there is to know about worthless pop culture idiots and nothing about the heritage and deeds of the people that created this amazing experiment in liberty for the little guy.
So it will go away, ultimately, unless we stop the slide.
Too much of what is happening in our public schools is political, and has greatly harmed this country.
My parents must have known what was going on, because at great sacrifice to their limited and meager finances, they managed to put me and my siblings through parochial school, where proper history was taught. This was in the late 60s early 70s.
Looking back, though, I remember some of the PC bullhs*t starting to creep into that system as well.