Posted on 12/05/2012 4:24:06 PM PST by Steve Newton
After a contentious election sometimes emotions run high. The winners are jubilant and the losers are despondent. This time it’s different. After 4 years of an “us against them” policy this nation has never been as divided as we are now since the first civil war. What may have been a deliberate policy to win an election may well transform into a monster that will devour us all.
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“Civil War two cube? Will do my friend.”
You’ll find it over on the Sipsey Streee Irregulars blog:
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/
Cancel my last — it is wrong!
This is not to say we should not fight to the last. I just believe that in the big picture, our future will likely resemble more the Alamo than the Battle of Midway.
Republican Virtue
The Creation of the American Republic | 1969 | Gordon S. Wood
Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:32:34 AM by Jacquerie
Perhaps everyone in the eighteenth century could have agreed that in theory no State was more beautiful than a republic, whose whole object by definition was the good of the people. Yet everyone knew it was a fragile beauty indeed. It was axiomatic that no society could hold together without the obedience of its members to the legally constituted authority. In a monarchy the complicated texture of the society, “the magnificence, costly equipage and dazzling splendors” lavished on the prince, the “multitude of criminal laws, with severe penalties, the very rigor of the unitary authority often with the aid of a standing and an established religious hierarchy, all worked to maintain public order; an order derived only from the passion of fear.
But in a republic which possessed none of this complicated social texture, where the elected rulers were merely the servants of the public, and where the people themselves shared in a large measure of the governing - in such a State, order, if there was to be any, must come from below.
The very greatness of republicanism, its utter dependence on the people, was simultaneously its source of weakness. In a republic there was no place for fear, there could be no sustained coercion from above. The State, like no other, rested on the consent of the governed freely given and not compelled. In a free government the laws, as the American clergy never tired of repeating, had to be obeyed by the people for conscience’s sake, not for wraths’s.
In a republic, each man must somehow be persuaded to submerge his personal wants into the greater good of the whole. This was termed “public virtue.” A republic was such a delicate polity precisely because it demanded an extraordinary moral character in the people. Every state in which the people participated needed a degree of virtue; but a republic which rested solely on the people absolutely required it.
Although a particular structural arrangement of the government in a republic might temper the necessity for public virtue, ultimately no model of government whatever can equal the importance of this principle, nor afford proper safety and security without it. Without some portion of this generous principle, anarchy and confusion would immediately ensue, the jarring interests of individuals, regarding themselves only, and indifferent to the welfare of others . . . would end in ruin and subversion of the State.
The eighteenth century mind was thoroughly convinced that a popularly based government cannot be supported without virtue. Only with a public-spirited, self sacrificing people could the authority of a popularly elected government be obeyed, but more by the virtue of the people, than by the terror of punishment. Because virtue was truly the lifeblood of the republic, the thoughts and hopes surrounding this concept of public spirit gave the American Revolution its socially radical character.
I understand main points in your essay on the importance of virtue.
But if virtue is keep within oneself with no outward verbal or physical action, then virtue is a passive and intellectual force confined to oneself.
If, however virtue results is actual acts of Checks and Balances against threats to the Republic, then virtue becomes an active force for the good of the Republic.
I understand the main points in your essay on the importance of virtue.
But if virtue is keep within oneself with no outward verbal or physical action, then virtue is a passive and intellectual force confined to oneself.
If, however virtue results is actual acts of Checks and Balances against threats to the Republic, then virtue becomes an active force for the good of the Republic.
Ping. Thanks for posting.
Several problems here:
1. We don’t have the time. Too close to collapse/dictatorship or full Marxist control already.
2. Re: taking over school boards. Sorry, not a bad idea, but it’s the teachers more than the boards. 80%+ of all teachers are Marxists. Conservative teachers are rare except in Texas and Oklahoma, other states rural areas. You can’t find enough conservative teachers.
That problem originates at the colleges universities - which are 98% Marxist.
So how are you going to take over the Marxists iron-fisted control of those who brainwash the teachers? Not going to happen.
And again, you are talking 3 - 4 generations.
But in a republic which possessed none of this complicated social texture, where the elected rulers were merely the servants of the public, and where the people themselves shared in a large measure of the governing - in such a State, order, if there was to be any, must come from below.
Uh Oh
We might be in trouble
Your very welcome
Is “Civil War” the right description?
I see it as more of a 3rd revolutionary war, where the people just want to be out from under the oppressive gov’t - they aren’t fighting for control of it.
I’m afraid your correct.
It would be generational. And it would not come without a fight from the Marxists.
They will not give up their “power” easily.
His fr handle is Travis McGee
Yeah, well, I am an engineer, we like to quantify and measure things. Things do not work if you do not fixate, but I know what you are saying.
Maybe
But if the established government resists our efforts to “get out from under oppression” a civil war would be the result.
I pray it remains a “cold” war.
I know it’s a matter of symantics,
but that still wouldn’t be a civil war any more
than the war of 1776 was a civil war.
Same situation - people demanding independence, government insisting they remain under their thumb.
As Mark Levin repeats, we are no longer a republic. The sovereign people assigned their powers to a despot. We can always reclaim them, but that historically means the horror and destruction of revolution.
Obama drones don't know what they voted away; they were never taught what they had.
Understood
What do you see as a solution?
I guess they could be almost the same thing.
Regardless let’s pray whatever it is doesn’t come to happen.
I don’t think it’s avoidable.
If we resist, they’ll use force.
If we don’t resist, they’ll enslave us.
While I don’t wish to give up, I don’t think there will be a return to liberty. The people and our government are too corrupt to turn things around. When the SHTF, the hue and cry will be to “do something.” That something will not be a return to Constitutional government.
The Constitution could not have been written less than a couple years before nor more than a few year after it was drafted, because the events that made it, our colonial history, revolution, peace and international situation cannot be repeated.
The Constitution will not return.
Alamo, not Midway.
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