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Right to Work in Michigan- Lawmakers consider a law to help the lagging state economy
Wall Street Journal ^ | December 5, 2012

Posted on 12/06/2012 2:43:08 AM PST by equaviator

Edited on 12/06/2012 4:31:27 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Unions lost big in Michigan in November when voters rejected Proposal 2, Big Labor's plan to canonize collective bargaining in the state constitution. Now they are facing a backlash with the happy possibility that Michigan could become the 24th right-to-work state.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: righttowork

1 posted on 12/06/2012 2:43:23 AM PST by equaviator
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To: equaviator

I have an unclear understanding of “right to work”.

A business can be unionized but people who work there are not required to join? If you’re already a union member of that business, can you quit that union?

If the latter is correct, are there any stats in Indiana, about how many union members quit their union, after the new law went into effect?

How about stats in Wisconsin about how many teachers no longer pay union dues, since the state quit the mandatory withholding of dues?


2 posted on 12/06/2012 2:56:51 AM PST by Graybeard58 (What G.O.P.e. candidate is in store for us in 2016?)
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To: Graybeard58

While Michigan is not a RTW state, I could be hired as an hourly-paid contract employee (W2 or 1099 status) of a technical services staffing company and assigned to Chrysler but I would still have to pay dues to the UAW even though I wouldn’t be eligible for the same benefits as regular members, if any at all. The UAW claims that RTW is meant to weaken the union but what right does the UAW have to collect dues from non-members? The claim that RTW weakens the union is bogus because it’s all about the money and the ever-increasing empowerment of unions. RTW would be precedent-setting in Michigan and that’s why the UAW is dead set against it.


3 posted on 12/06/2012 3:22:25 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: equaviator

Any state that can produce a cesspool like Detroit will stay with goon unions. Michigan’s hopeless.


4 posted on 12/06/2012 3:36:04 AM PST by GOPJ (The economy is so bad MSNBC had to lay off 300 Obama spokesmen - Leno)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
The battle for Michigan is going to make the fight in Wisconsin look like a minor spat.

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Weekly/biweekly Michigan legislative activism thread

Michigan Action Alert on Right To Work
5 posted on 12/06/2012 3:38:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
The battle for Michigan is going to make the fight in Wisconsin look like a minor spat.

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Weekly/biweekly Michigan legislative activism thread

Michigan Action Alert on Right To Work
6 posted on 12/06/2012 3:39:51 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I anticipate Governor Walker (Wisconsin) has similar plans and may enter that same idea over here. Keep praying he does. wisconsin too, needs to be a “RTW” state.


7 posted on 12/06/2012 3:50:57 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: GOPJ
Any state that can produce a cesspool like Detroit will stay with goon unions. Michigan’s hopeless.

The Tea Party Revolution in 2010 gave Snyder the House, Senate, and Court with decent margins.

My guess is they are striking while the Iron is Hot, i.e. the Unions maybe low on funds, tired from the election and maybe off kilter because this has come up now.

My guess as a tactic this would pass with 1 or 2 votes in each house without having to sacrifice to many seats, just like Pelosi did that rad beeotch did with Obamacare, and then Snyder can sign it.

If it is a done deal before 2013, it may set a tone that we (Michigan) are open for business, don't forget Michigan has the highest concetration of Engineers in America, but more importantly send the City of Detroit a message, with all their Union / Budget problems

8 posted on 12/06/2012 3:53:37 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Graybeard58
Basically RTW simply eliminates any legal obligation anyone has to join any kind of union. With union membership already in the toilet it would be somewhat difficult to tell how many folks dropped out in the short time the law has been on the books.

Michigan's lower tier of countires have about 99.99999% of the economic value of the state. Indiana's upper tier of counties still have some undeveloped areas.

Michigan can save its economy with RTW, or they can see it all move to Indiana! BTW, that will be WITHOUT the vast majority of the people. The reason is Indiana can control housing developments, and who wants to replicate the mess that was Detroit! So, just the factories and offices eh!

9 posted on 12/06/2012 4:02:56 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: equaviator

I saw some of the union tantrum on the news last night. Some idiot was screaming that “Every union worker in the western hemisphere is coming to Michigan to burn the MFer down”.

They’ve really overplayed their hand and even some of their own members are voting against union proposals. After all, the Union Conservatives have been a major factor in pushing for right to work.


10 posted on 12/06/2012 4:03:00 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: equaviator

What a novel idea...the right to work.

Does that have something to do with freedom? Gee! I think it does!


11 posted on 12/06/2012 4:10:29 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: taildragger

For many of my union neighbors, union has simply become another layer of unresponsive government with dues being the tax. The ability to withhold the union tax puts members back in charge. (which is an interesting commentary on taxation in America)

My neighbor says he can’t see that he would lose anything if the union were to disappear tomorrow.


12 posted on 12/06/2012 4:16:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GOPJ
"Any state that can produce a cesspool like Detroit will stay with goon unions. Michigan’s hopeless."

I don't know where you're from, but I guess the rest of America thinks Detroit covers all of Michigan. Did you know that we have a Republican Governor, and control both houses of Mi congress? Did you know that we just defeated the latest attempted union power grab by about 60/40?

While much of Detroit is a cesspool, one of the ten wealthiest counties (earnings per capita) in the country is a half-hour away. Michigan isn't exactly what you think it is.

13 posted on 12/06/2012 4:20:49 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: cripplecreek

That is interesting. Like many they will not fight the leviathan or even speak out about it, like you or I might. I doubt said neighbor will call the State House ya or nay in the next two days. That maybe a big part of our problem as a nation, our disinterested electorate, quite frankly ignorant and they would rather watch the Lions loose on their flat screen... Pass the chips please...


14 posted on 12/06/2012 4:22:55 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: equaviator

RTW would be a stab in the heart for the Dem party in MI. They need those union donations.


15 posted on 12/06/2012 4:26:35 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: Mich Patriot
Michigan isn't exactly what you think it is.

Oh I'd like to take said individual for a car ride in Bloomfield Hills, better yet Franklin Michigan.

If you had the money of those in Franklin, you'd burn yours...

Also show them the West Side of Telegraph i.e. Franklin and 2 blocks North of the Detriot Skate Club on the other side of Telegraph where it becomes Pontiac and see what Lefist regimes do to a city aka just like Detroit.

Also show them Grand Rapids, all places up North and in Farm Country.

We are so not Detroit as a State.....

16 posted on 12/06/2012 4:28:33 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: taildragger; cripplecreek

In the current Forbes there is a Chart indicating states where you should invest or not invest in a house or muni bond. Michigan is faint pink, ok, not faint blue and not ok. I would imagine some counties, like Wayne county, might be dark blue however.

I admit, I was surprised.


17 posted on 12/06/2012 4:33:08 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Mich Patriot
Did you know that we just defeated the latest attempted union power grab by about 60/40?

Prop 2 only won in two counties. (Wayne and Genesee)

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18 posted on 12/06/2012 4:34:07 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: taildragger

Yep, my lady lives in GR (I’m in Waterford, so that’s convenient!)...and GR is damn nice for a larger city. All true about Bloomfield Hills, Franklin, Novi, Northville, and on and on. I love riding my motorcycle through any of those areas in the summer. How about Old Orchard Trail (south side of Orchard Lake)? Some of those people (mansions) have TWO lakefronts I think. Sweeeeeet.

I appreciated your other post on this thread too.


19 posted on 12/06/2012 4:35:10 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: bert
We're actually redder than many "red States". The one northern blue district is kind of deceptive because the northern half of it is probably pretty conservative. Its the Flint / Saginaw district.

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20 posted on 12/06/2012 4:40:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
"Prop 2 only won in two counties. (Wayne and Genesee)"

Ha ha ha...Detroit and Flint. Whoooda thunk it? LOL

21 posted on 12/06/2012 4:42:06 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: taildragger

“We are so not Detroit as a State”

Just about 15 or so years ago a local Detroit news anchor at Ch 7 Action News by the name of Guy Gordon was reporting on some kind of crisis in the city when he concluded his remarks by saying, “After all, we’re ALL Detroiters”, as though their entire viewership should share in this deep sense of community even though some of that viewership is more than 40 miles away from the nearest boundary of the city.

Ever since then, I watch the local news more as a critic than I do as an enquiring mind with a need to know.


22 posted on 12/06/2012 4:55:03 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Mich Patriot
While much of Detroit is a cesspool, one of the ten wealthiest counties (earnings per capita) in the country is a half-hour away. (My emphasis)

I don't know where you're getting your information but neither Forbes or Wikipedia list any county in Michigan in the top ten. As a matter of fact, the closest is Livingston County ranked as #95, a far cry from top ten.

23 posted on 12/06/2012 5:06:10 AM PST by varon (11-06-2012 dob United Socialist Ghettos of America (USGA))
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To: varon
I got it from Wikipedia...first source that came up on my search.

"Oakland County is a county in the U.S. state of Michigan. The 2010 Census recorded a population of 1,202,362. (...) It is among the ten highest income counties in the United States with populations over one million people..."

Maybe "over one million people" is the difference in our information. Fifteen years ago or so, Oakland County was said to be top three in the nation. I'm not sure if that was earnings, wealth, or what...heard that on the local radio station.

Regardless, I wonder where your perception of Michigan comes from? Saw Detroit on the news, I bet.

24 posted on 12/06/2012 5:30:59 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: taildragger
I couldn't agree more. As a contract designer working in Highland Park (Ground zero) in Detroit RTW could potentially bring many of the emerging Automotive nations, i.e. China, and India to bring jobs to Michigan. The UAW has kept anybody with half a brain from bringing business to the region, and who could blame them. RTW could do wonders for the “State of Michigan”. To Hell with Detroit!
25 posted on 12/06/2012 5:42:30 AM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: cripplecreek

for those that aren’t knowledgable about Michigan...wnat to guess what the demographics are for Wayne county?


26 posted on 12/06/2012 5:55:28 AM PST by strange1 ("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
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To: cripplecreek

for those that aren’t knowledgable about Michigan...wnat to guess what the demographics are for Wayne county?


27 posted on 12/06/2012 5:56:34 AM PST by strange1 ("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
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To: cripplecreek

With much of America looking like this this is why it is important to maintain control of the house and it parliamentary rules and get the 17th amendment repealed so senators actually represent the states as originally designed. That way the president being elected by the unwashed masses is not that big a deal. Unlike now where we have a want to be dictator in power being facilitated by the senate elected by basically the same demographic.

This should be the focus.


28 posted on 12/06/2012 6:18:06 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Mich Patriot

Don’t forget the wonderful community of Plymouth! And we are in Wayne county too! Plymouth township voted for Romney with 56% of the vote. The proposals lost by close to 70-30 margins.


29 posted on 12/06/2012 6:32:47 AM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: cripplecreek
My neighbor says he can’t see that he would lose anything if the union were to disappear tomorrow.

You might ask your neighbor how much money he could put into his own pocket each month if he were to stop paying the union dues (tax).

30 posted on 12/06/2012 7:54:52 AM PST by dearolddad
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To: stayathomemom

Sorry for the exclusion...the list of nice communities within an hour of Detroit is impressive. Also, Plymouth Michigan has Liberty Street Brewing Co.!!!


31 posted on 12/06/2012 8:03:40 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Mich Patriot
Regardless, I wonder where your perception of Michigan comes from? Saw Detroit on the news, I bet.

As a matter of fact, my perception of Detoilet has evolved from watching it go from a vibrant city, fun to visit, to down the crapper during the last 50+ years during which I have lived off and on in West Michigan (Grand Rapids metro).

32 posted on 12/06/2012 8:18:28 AM PST by varon (11-06-2012 dob United Socialist Ghettos of America (USGA))
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To: dearolddad

He says he’s paid better than $30,000 in union tax over some 26 years.


33 posted on 12/06/2012 8:24:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: equaviator

Looks like a bill will be introduced today. I don’t especially trust these examiner articles so keep an eye out for more.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/breaking-michigan-right-to-work-bill-introduced-today/article/2515230#.UMDGgKyxZ_Y


34 posted on 12/06/2012 8:36:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Washtenaw did something right for a change.


35 posted on 12/06/2012 8:56:23 AM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Darren McCarty

Better hold on to something because there’s about to be a Michigan earthquake.


36 posted on 12/06/2012 9:00:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: varon

Oakland County is in the top ten for populations over one million. Pontiac drags it down. Livingston County doesn’t have Bloomfield money, but doesn’t have any Pontiacs either.


37 posted on 12/06/2012 9:05:34 AM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Resolute Conservative

“...and get the 17th amendment repealed so senators actually represent the states as originally designed.”

Yer dreamin’.
Never going to happen.

To me, being “conservative” is largely about reality.
To wit:
“Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.”

The amendments that created the Income Tax, direct election of Senators, the Federal Reserve, birthright citizenship — they are here to stay. No one is ever going to repeal them. Not in these United States, anyway.

(Aside: at some point the United States may dis-unite — what happens afterwards may be a different story. But not ‘til then)


38 posted on 12/06/2012 9:26:25 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: equaviator

MICHIGAN- Right To Work!


39 posted on 12/06/2012 1:52:49 PM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: equaviator

Update from Dave Agema

Voted YES on HB 4054. Freedom to work. It simply allows a new hiree to chose to join or not to join a union for condition of employment. It does not get rid of collective bargaining. This bill prevents people from NOT getting hired if they don’t like the union or what it stands for.

The dems are walking off the House floor in protest and refusing to vote. They then came back in and voted.

The bill passed.


40 posted on 12/06/2012 2:06:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Next up: Affirmative Action


41 posted on 12/06/2012 2:17:51 PM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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