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1 posted on 12/09/2012 8:37:01 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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Barry Benghazi WANTS middle class tax hikes. His Nazi toads in the state controlled “media” are going to stand by their boy and provide him with all of the cover he needs. The tax hikes will be blamed on Dubya and the GOOBers and the morons currently living in this country will swallow every bit of what the “media” toads spew at them.


2 posted on 12/09/2012 8:41:34 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I feel sad for my once great country. We deserve everything that is about to happen to us.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Dirty secret the lame-stream drive bys would rather hide, and you shared the truth. Thank You!


3 posted on 12/09/2012 8:48:53 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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The trouble with decreasing the witholding is that if the tax rates go up, people will just kick the can down the road and end up paying more come tax time - I was pissed when Bush did it - it took me a couple years to adjust my witholding to ensure I didn’t owe penalties for not paying enough during the year.


4 posted on 12/09/2012 9:16:09 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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My my my.....if they can do this, why don’t they? Why waste time negotiating with the Republicans? Geithner can just keep the rates low for the middle class. Problem solved. Well, if that’s what they’re really after. Nice to see the unbiased press weighing in with their ideas.


5 posted on 12/09/2012 9:27:40 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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With the Federal Government borrowing almost $5 Billion per day, it's time for everyone to start paying more taxes (regardless of income level) and expecting far less from Uncle Sugar.

All of that free crap ain't really free, and it's high time everyone finds out.

6 posted on 12/09/2012 9:30:22 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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“How can ending BushHilters evil tax cuts for the rich effect the middle class?” - confused lib
7 posted on 12/09/2012 9:37:37 AM PST by PogySailor (Barack Obama just won the right to be the Captain of the Titanic)
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To: Sub-Driver

talk about kicking the can down the road!
artificially depressing withholding rates to buy barry another year of love or at least passivity from his constituents - who still don’t realize how much his policies are gonna cost them!


8 posted on 12/09/2012 9:47:23 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Sub-Driver; pookie18
GOP IN-FIGHTING
10 posted on 12/09/2012 10:23:52 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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Please be patient with this post Sub-Driver. My comments are not necessarily directed at you. Also, the next paragraph doesn't address federal taxes but the paragraphs that follow will.

Patriots know that neither the Oval Office or Congress are respecting their constitutionally limited powers. However, what disturbs me is that patriots are losing ground to protect the constitutonal republic from corrupt federal government because patriots evidently don't know the Constitution and its history themselves. And when nobody knows the Constitution then the federal government is going to win all policy arguments, Constitution or no Constitution.

Regarding federal taxes, the reason that patriots are losing ground to Constitution-ignoring socialists who now run the federal government is the following imo. Patriots evidently no longer know the main reason that the Founding States drafted the federal Constitution which was to separate federal and state powers, the states reserving to themselves the lion's share of government powers to serve the people. This is evidenced by the Constitution's Section 8 of Article I, Article V and the 10th Amendment.

But more importantly regarding federal taxes is this. Justice John Marshall had taken the idea of separated federal state and government powers a major step forward by officially clarifying the followng. Congress cannot lay taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially issues which Congress cannot justify under Section 8 of Article I.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

So the key question for patriots to be asking concerning federal tax policy is this imo. How much taxes should taxpayers be paying annually so that Congress can fullfill its Section 8-limited power duties? Below is my rough estimate which I have repeatedly posted in related threads because I get the impression that nobody is listening.

Given that the plurality of clauses in Section 8 are defense related, and given the Departement of Defense (DoD) annual budget for 2011 was $600+ billion, I will generously round the DoD annual figure up to $1 trillion, but probably much less, to estimate how much taxpayers should be forking over to Congress annually to run the federal government.

In other words, we shouldn't be hearing about multi-trillion dollar federal budgets that the corrupt media, including Fx News, is reporting without mentioning Justice Marshall's clarification of Congress's limited power to lay taxes.

11 posted on 12/09/2012 12:36:20 PM PST by Amendment10
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