Posted on 12/10/2012 6:54:14 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
When pundits on ABC's "This Week" Sunday discussed recent news that the Supreme Court would take up two major gay marriage cases -- challenges to the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and California's Prop 8 -- conservative commentator George Will issued a blunt characterization of same-sex marriage's opponents.
There is something like an emerging consensus. Quite literally, the opposition to gay marriage is dying. It’s old people.
According to a Politico poll out Sunday, Will is right in saying that older Americans are less likely to support gay marriage. The poll said that while 63 percent of 18 to 29 year-old supported same-sex marriage, only three in 10 seniors support it.
Here's Will's remarks on the subject in full, via Queerty:
This decision by the Supreme Court came 31 days after an Election Day in which three states for the first time endorsed same-sex marriage at the ballot box —never happened before—Maine, Maryland, and the state of Washington.
Now, the question is, how will that influence the court? It could make them say it’s not necessary for us to go here. They don’t want to do what they did with abortion. The country was having a constructive accommodation on abortion, liberalizing abortion laws. The court yanked the subject out of democratic discourse and embittered the argument. They may say we don’t want to do that, we can just let the democracy take care of this.
On the other hand, they could say it’s now safe to look at this because there is something like an emerging consensus. Quite literally, the opposition to gay marriage is dying. It’s old people.
Republican strategist Mary Matalin added that unmarried heterosexuals with babies are "irrefutably more problematic for our culture than homosexuals getting married."
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I would take your saying its about acceptance and elevate it to gays using government and it’s power in forcing people to accept it as legitimate...not merely accepting but forcing others against their religious freedom and right of free association to not even say that it is a sin....THAT is what they want...and they will gladly see you in jail to get their government endorsed, sponsored and commanded legitimacy of their lifestyle CHOICE!
I would take your saying its about acceptance and elevate it to gays using government and it’s power in forcing people to accept it as legitimate...not merely accepting but forcing others against their religious freedom and right of free association to not even say that it is a sin....THAT is what they want...and they will gladly see you in jail to get their government endorsed, sponsored and commanded legitimacy of their lifestyle CHOICE!
The attitude that babies don't need to be born into two parent households has ruined black families, and is slowly ruining Hispanic and white families, as well. It has been long known that a baby born to an unmarried woman who doesn't go on to marry the baby's father, or anyone else, is behind the 8 ball from the get go, and will have a very hard time pulling him or herself out of poverty. This is why there are so many 'takers' in this country now, and culturally, as well as economically,it is ruining America.
And I’ll have good company in jail with me.
Civilization is dying.
Polls can’t be trusted? I hope you aren’t unskewing again. That worked so well the last time.
Same sex marriage overlooks the fragile nature of that unique bond between man and woman. It ignores human nature that left to itself, will revert to the human savage nature that desires multiple partners. So typical of Marxism is that it ignores human nature and takes away the social supports that human nature needs to make marriage a success. This is done in the guise of equality and working for the common good.
Basically, same-sex marriage violates the natural parent-child bond in every family, and the right of the family to protection by society and the state. It will discard the fundamental understanding that the family is based upon the heterosexual marriage unit. This human unit is the very foundation of society. Same sex-marriage will de-naturalize the family by rendering in their entirety familial relationships as ever changing expressions of law. For thousands of years there has been a universal understanding that the family is a small society (a sovereign state) with unique rights and responsibilities independent of the state. The imposing of same sex marriage will no longer be in line with that understanding. Instead, the family will become mere policy relationships, defined and imposed by the state. The family (this society) founded more immediately in nature—the proles (procreation or fruitfulness)—will no longer have the distinction of sexual difference, with its distinctive quality of generative power.
The polls don’t work anymore.
The election polls were 100 percent accurate. We just didn’t believe them.
Well mankind is growing more evil and all the really bad stuff in the Bible is coming true...just read the news daily...
I'm not so sure it's Will who's the one living in a bubble on this issue.
It’s only a matter of time that:
Children will be able to marry their parents.
You will be able to marry your pet.
It will be legal to marry your child.
Brothers and sisters will be able to marry.
Brothers will be able to marry and sisters can marry sisters.
And..........I won’t even mention marriage to animals.
And it goes on and on and on thanks to the Ministry of Propaganda and our K-12 public indoctrination centers managed by Marxist liberals.
Gay marriage did pretty good in referenda this time around. And next election cycle, it'll probably pass in even more states. It seems pretty clear that public opinion is slowly changing on this issue, and not in the direction that social conservatives would hope.
It does appear that public opinion on this issue is lining up with support for gay marriage. The court does, however, need to address the issue of whether a judge can reverse a constitutional referendum vote by the public or duly constituted laws on a whim. This legal question should be addressed whether it applies to gay marriage or any other issue. Consider the damage done by judges on the abortion issue rather than to let democracy takes its course. Also, should district court rulings by the few trump states rights?
And I should add, with the television sewage lines that people plumb into their households - with almost every TV show extolling the virtues of sodomy - that has not been a great help either... Filth breeds disease and corruption. Not a big surprise.
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The anti-decency forces have been very systematic in their propaganda programs, and, unfortunately, they have been very successful.
I am 65, and it just boggles my mind to see how attitudes involving sexual behavior have changed since just 1970. Now, 42 years may sound like a long time to you if you are a young person, but, in terms of vast cultural shifts, it is not a big span of years. Here is my perspective from growing up in the so-called middle class in America.
When I was a teenaged girl in the 1960s, it was assumed that a girl would remain a virgin until she married. Shacking up occurred, but it was rare and the participants were generally not regarded well in respectable society. Some girls were loose, but these comprised a small minority of the population, and their behavior was frowned upon.
Divorces happened, but they were rather uncommon among the general public and seemed to be associated with immoral Hollywood types. Oh, yeah, and, back then, celebrities’ publicists worked very hard to keep their clients’ indiscretions from being made public. Now, shacking up, illegitimate births, and extramarital affairs are no big deal and not the source of shame that they should be.
So much has changed. It still astounds me to have a mother my age or even older, whom I have just met, mention her adult child’s live-in boyfriend or girlfriend in a casual way. These changes in attitude did not just happen spontaneously; there has been a deliberate, relentless assault on our society’s moral underpinnings. And, sadly, the assault is bringing victory for the powers of darkness.
The FACT that the “natural” incidence of homosexuality is so low, explains their desire for childhood recruitment, through indoctrination programs, designed to make molestation easier.
In the end, biology triumphs ~ gaydom is doomed within months of the first nanoparticle that can replace the methylation that causes homosexuality.
Gallup, which had always been wrong on everything all year long was actually asking folks their sexual orientation ~ and paid a price in not simply deleting the GBLT answers ~
Some are more nearly monogamous. Some are totally promiscuous, and some are in between ~ people, in a state of nature, are quite tied down with the child raising thing ~ and are essentially monogamous except when conditions dictate otherwise ~ like a high adult death rate!
I agree one hundred percent. There has been a severe cultural shift (or slide) since the 1960s. I attribute this to a couple of generations of children being indoctrinated by communistic and atheistic leaning teachers, as well due to the raw sewaged piped into our households by the Media industry. All of this allowed by the parents.
Although I seem to pick on the sodomites quite frequently, that is primarily because this is a 'sin' (or disease -- and one that was rightfully classified as a mental disorder until 1968) that has become celebrated through parades and postive reinforcement through the Media messaging. At least we don't have parades for adulterers and drunks in that there seems to be some small degree of shame left with that behaviour.
But, you are right, open fornication and promiscuity has shed it's veil of shame, and today it is considered 'normal'. 'Of course the kiddies are going to have sex, so we must provide them condoms, and sex education'. Quite the shame that the formerly great America, which was great because it feared God, has chosen to wallow in the mud. Romans 1 at work.
“That’s why polls show support for gay marriage and referenda show no support for gay marriage.”
I agree that opinion polling is flawed on the issue, for a number of reasons. But if you look at the actual amendment votes by state, where and when they passed or not, and by how much, I don’t see a positive trend.
It wasn’t even an issue 30 years ago. Nevada passed its amendment by 67% in 2002. Hawaii passed its amendment at the very begining of the process, by 69% in ‘98. North Carolina passed its amendment by 61% in 2012 and was hailed as a very impressive victory. If NC had passed its amendment in 2002 it probably would have been in the mid-high 70% ranges, if you go by the other states around NC that passed amendments in that timeframe.
Of course the states that passed them in the high 70s will last a long time. Miss. passed one with the highest %, 86% in 2004. But some states only passed them in the 50% ranges. Ca and SD passed theirs by the lowest at 52%, Ca in 2008 and SD in 2006. I have my doubts if they would pass today. In fact, if our masters in the black robes uphold prop. 8 they will probably simply attempt to use another popular vote to repeal it. For their purposes, all they need is 51%.
Freegards
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