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To: precisionshootist

Adding to your post...

It’s called an Article 5 convention.

“...on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States...”

IMO, this convention could also abolish the federal government.


41 posted on 12/11/2012 6:22:13 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: sergeantdave; All

Also remember that a Constitutional Convention can and would be represented by political elements that are detrimental to our goal of restoring virtuous government representation and processes, in the form of government we have at this time...

So I am cautious about what some folks hope for on this particular issue...

The mechanisms for what some want in this discussion about this petition, those goals desired, need significant preparation (socially, fiscally and morally) more than what a (this) petition (might) generate(s)...

BTW, I am not a big Bible thumper type person...But the moral, the virtuous, mindset is one that needs to be thought (prayed) about first and foremost...

We have a government and people that have lost their way...Restoring that virtue may be what repairs the union we have in place now...But that may not happen overnight, and even if it did, would it be sustainable???

Think about it...

Just for fun, and not to make lite of the issue, a part of me itches for a fight...I do want to engage the evil that has consumed and literally spit out the courage and virtuous nature of the founding principles of what this country was founded upon...That is my dilema...It is both a personal and spiritual battle to me...But I need to find something that removes my doubt, my concern about any ounce of futility to what will result from my decision...And that may be more common to others here as well...

So...

What are YOU prepared to do about this???

And...

What are YOU willing to sacrifice to achieve this victory???

These are personal and rhetorical question each and everyone of you need to choose to answer...

The reality of your decision will end up being a personal future YOU (and you alone) will have to accept responsibility for, and more important, be accountable for...

Some of us have made a decision before, and that which we have taken an oath to defend has been cheapened by others with alterior motives and agendas...

So another question is this:

Do we allow the secular and un-virtuous citizenry, not just their representatives, destroy the Union as we understand its duties to be???

Or do we demand that those in the future be very clear and unambiguous to what and where the station of Federal government should return to???

As long as we still have the mechanism to effect change every two years (Federally), we can still do this...But those that desire to represent us need to re-commit to the originalist foundations and restrictions placed upon that office (government entity) within our ratified Constitution...

And deviation from that virtuous principle(s) should be rejected with ALL due prejudice!!! Nothing less should be acceptable...

BTW, if anyone likes what I have written here today wish to do so, in whole or in part, you are very welcome to do so, take this to your elected officials, whther they be democrat, republican or independent...These are your words, these people need to hear directly from you...

I intend to take these words to my congressman when he comes back from D.C. for the Christmas holidays...I have already set up an appointment to see him in his district office, and I intend to deliever this “idea” to him, all kidding aside...

Then put him in a headlock, and give him a big “noogie” for being such a political putz...;-)

We can still turn the ship around, we just need to encourage a change of perseption and re-focus these representatives up and down the chain of command before it is too late...I still believe in the Union, but I do not see a permanent/negative outcome from a separation movement within the state of Texas, or any other state at this time...

This is just my opinion and thoughts, therefore open for flames, and other sources of agreement or dissagreement...Any hurt feelings are of no personal concern to me, I grieve for the lives that have been lost in maintaining this Union, if we fail to correct the course this nation is on right now...

So if I were to Bible thump, I would say this...

God does want to bless and love this nation, but we need to return to a virtuous mindset before I believe we will return to his good graces...That is where our fight really lies...


44 posted on 12/11/2012 7:28:24 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: sergeantdave
Adding to your post... It’s called an Article 5 convention. “...on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States...” IMO, this convention could also abolish the federal government.

It's possible, however very unlikely. The Convention would be and should be limited in scope. And keep in mind this process really just puts amendments on the table that then must be ratified by the states. This is the part that those that fear a Constitutional Convention do not understand. Yes libs may attempt to propose left wing amendments but the kicker is they would NEVER be ratified by all the red states. This is where and how we WIN! This is how we take our liberty back and put the federal government back under the rule of law. It's taken over a century for the left to find and exploit the weaknesses in the original text of the Constitution. Just think what an amendment that clarifies and strictly limits the federal governments authority over interstate commerce would do to defang the beast. Half the government laws and regulations would disappear overnight. My own opinion is to ELIMINATE the interstate commerce clause completely. If anyone is interested in learning more about amending the Constitution through convention I strongly suggest downloading and reading this from the Goldwater Institute.

http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/article/amending-constitution-convention-complete-view-founders-plan-part-1-series

You can download the series in .pdf format. The link is just below the executive summary.

48 posted on 12/11/2012 9:59:54 PM PST by precisionshootist
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