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Marco Rubio and the Coming Conservative Revolt
New York Magazine ^ | 12/10/2012 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 12/10/2012 10:18:24 PM PST by nickcarraway

In the immediate wake of the election, Republicans felt so stunned — in no small part because they had deluded themselves into expecting victory — that it seemed momentarily possible that the party’s long march to the right may halt or even reverse. But the future of the party is already taking shape, and that future will be, in some form or fashion, a conservative reaction against the Republican leadership that has sold them out. The smarter Republicans have already shaken off the trauma of electoral defeat and begun positioning themselves to capitalize.

One important indication comes from National Review Washington editor Robert Costa, who writes today about Tom Price. You may not have heard of Price, but the conservative House member is conferring with Grover Norquist and right-wing members of the House, and setting himself up to challenge John Boehner in the event of a budget deal. Boehner earlier this year offered Price a leadership position on the condition that he offer full support to Boehner, a condition Price tellingly rejected. Costa quotes a Price ally, who hilariously tells him Price “is hoping for the best, hoping taxes don’t go up with any fiscal-cliff deal.” This is hilarious because this is tantamount to saying Price is hopeful the sun won’t rise tomorrow morning, but if it does, he may have to challenge Boehner.

But the truest indicator of the future of the party is Marco Rubio. The most unabashed of the 2016 candidates, Rubio is extremely skilled at discerning what his party wants and positioning himself as the man to give it to them. Last week, Rubio spoke at a party event in New York Washington, a speech that prompted New York Times columnists David Brooks and Ross Douthat, whose defining trait is to always see a Republican moderate around the corner that never arrives, confidently predicted a Republican moderation yet again. Each cited Rubio’s speech, a paean to the party’s future as the shining beacon of hope for Latinos, the poor, and other problematic constituencies.

As always, there were caveats. Both columnists noted in passing that the great new moderation they foresaw was as yet entirely confined to rhetoric. (Douthat: “The speech didn’t offer the kinds of policy breakthroughs the party ultimately requires.” Brooks: “Some of the policies he mentioned were pretty conventional.”)

Well, yes, the fact that Rubio was merely wrapping party dogma in pleasant-sounding rhetoric is a wee problem in the analysis. And over the last few days, Rubio’s approach has grown more clear. On the budget, Rubio delivered the Republican weekly radio address, and his message was more of the old-timey religion: We must get the national debt under control. Tax increases will not solve our $16 trillion debt. Only economic growth and a reform of entitlement programs will help control the debt.

This is the classic Republican metaphysical dodge, which not only argues for keeping taxes as low as possible but refuses to acknowledge that revenue bears any relationship at all to deficits. Deficits equal spending! Two legs bad, Reagan good! On immigration, meanwhile, Rubio is carefully positioning himself to oppose any potential deal. He is not coming out and immediately throwing his body in front of the legislative train. Rather, he pleads that we must not try to do everything at once and should instead try to reform immigration “step by step.” Of course, “step by step” is exactly the catchphrase Republicans used to oppose health-care reform. It’s a way of associating yourself with the broadly popular goal of reform while giving yourself cover to oppose any particular bill that has a chance to pass. You’re not against reform, you’re against this reform. It’s too much, too fast.

It’s not coincidental that Rubio is speaking out on these two issues. They’re the two most plausible issue areas where President Obama is likely to sign major bills — and, as a result, the two areas where conservatives are nearly certain to conclude that their party’s leadership betrayed them. The anger of the base may or may not be strong enough to prevent Republicans in Congress from striking a deal. But it will surely be strong enough to shape the party’s internal decisions — no Republican who acquiesces on the budget or immigration will be eligible to lead the party in the future. Price and Rubio see that already, and others will surely follow.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: marcorubio; rubio
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1 posted on 12/10/2012 10:18:28 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Cool - let’s start the new party with an open borders nut as our leader.

What could possibly go wrong with that? :)


2 posted on 12/10/2012 10:21:00 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Tzimisce

On the other hand let us start with such stalwart conservatives as:
Alan West
Joe Miller
Doug Hoffman
Sharron Angle
Christine O’Donell
Ken Buck
JD Hayworth
George Allen
Richard Mourdock
Todd Akin


3 posted on 12/10/2012 10:32:39 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: nickcarraway

What a bunch of bull.


4 posted on 12/10/2012 10:35:48 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: nickcarraway

Rubio is about as “conservative” as John Boehner. Forget the GOP.


5 posted on 12/10/2012 10:36:51 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Let the Dems destroy the economy!)
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To: nickcarraway

Why does the Pied Piper come to mind?


6 posted on 12/10/2012 10:37:20 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: nickcarraway
Re: “No Republican who acquiesces on the budget or immigration will be eligible to lead the party in the future.”

Rubio is already promoting the “Republican” DREAM Act.

Give him a few more weeks, he'll cave on the budget, too.

7 posted on 12/10/2012 10:39:26 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: nickcarraway

for the f...ing nteenth time. Rubio is not a natural born citizen, he cannot run for president.


8 posted on 12/10/2012 10:39:58 PM PST by bioqubit
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To: Carry_Okie

Because it appears in the New Yorker.

Oh, and because it’s about Marco Rubio, that UN loving, photo op loving, honey trap naive, stupid poopey head who is about as conservative as Romney.


9 posted on 12/10/2012 10:42:53 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

I was thinking the latter. I don’t care what the New Yorker thinks.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 10:45:43 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: bioqubit

Give up. You are trying to talk sense to people who actively promoted an arch liberal as the GOP standard bearer and called anyone who disagreed ‘traitors to their country’.

In other words, the willfully ignorant (to put it nicely).


11 posted on 12/10/2012 10:51:28 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: entropy12

Let’s start the list of rinos with Mitt Romney losing the presidency , in an election that republicans couldn’t lose.

I guess you prefer Crist over Rubio, and Trey Grayson over Paul, Arlen Specter over Toomey and wanted Dewhurst in Texas instead of Ted Cruz, and support the party leadership when they come out against the republican primary winners in Senate races, as they did with Miller, Odonnell, Akin, and others.

Conservatives made 2010 a history making victory, and in 2012 as the rinos were destroying the party with the failed Massachusetts governor, Palin gave us Ted Cruz and Deb Fischer.


12 posted on 12/10/2012 10:54:53 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: entropy12

Compared to Romney and the crew of idiots currently known as the GOP???

In a New York freakung minuet!


13 posted on 12/10/2012 10:58:50 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: nickcarraway

I’m with Sarah.


14 posted on 12/10/2012 10:59:42 PM PST by onedoug
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To: nickcarraway

When I see a conservative do conservative things, then I might give a ****.

Until such time, I do not give a ****.

I haven’t seen Marco Rubio do anything at all.


15 posted on 12/10/2012 11:05:31 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: entropy12

So you agree that opening the borders and letting everyone and anyone who wants in is a “conservative value” eh?

No wonder we have Obama in office....


16 posted on 12/10/2012 11:06:51 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: bioqubit
Rubio is absolutely eligible to be President.
You have absolutely no legal authority on your side, none at all.
It is crackpot foolishness to say that Rubio is not eligible.
He might not be your favorite, but he has as much right to run for President as anyone on Free Republic.
Rubio is a Natural Born Citizen, which means only that he was a citizen at the exact moment of his birth.
It is very ignorant to claim otherwise.
17 posted on 12/10/2012 11:12:25 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Carry_Okie

Two Words—Sarah Palin. She must lead us! The revolt can only come from proven conservatives. I say its time for a Movement to form—It may take over the bones of the GOP or strike out with a new Party—NOW is the time for this! If Sarah said, leave the Republicans and join another party—I would do it. Now is the time for a re-vitalized Tea Party—The Liberty Party—a new Sons of Liberty! People need to be burned in effegie! New protest songs need to be written, a new Newspaper/Magazine started NOW! New symbols made-—Instead of the Rattlesnake flag—we use the flag of the Whiskey Rebellion—or the Bonnie Blue. The time for talk is almost done.


18 posted on 12/10/2012 11:16:47 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

“Two Words—Sarah Palin.”

She would be a great choice/leader.

The problem is that until actual conservatives who follow the actual ideals of conservatism get rid of all the GOP sycophants and ‘he she it is conservative cuz I say so’ types, there is no chance of ANYONE leading the collective ‘us’.

This very thread shows several examples of the exact type I mean.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 11:22:13 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: bioqubit

Right now, this is a one-party nation. The good old GOP, may they RIP! They will never get my support again. One month out of the election and they’re already jockeying for positions. The red state governors with balanced state budgets would be a good place to start putting together a base. Let’s get tough and not pay New York and California’s bills!


20 posted on 12/10/2012 11:22:59 PM PST by lu shissler (an take his naiv)
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To: nickcarraway
Jonathan Chait Barf Alert!
21 posted on 12/10/2012 11:27:13 PM PST by 867V309
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To: Norm Lenhart; All
Lets be honest:

Romney won the nominations because CONSERVATIVES gave Romney the nomination on a platter.

We can't circle the wagons and agree on ANYONE can we?

There are Freepers who hate Gingrich.

There are Freepers who hate Santorum.

There are Freepers who did not want to support Herman Cain.

I supported all three of the above, each when they had a chance.

But? The “purist” and holier than thou types in our own Conservative movement gave us Romney.

Many of us then did our best to help Romney, but those who would NOT agree to any Conservative before the nomination, now want to blame it on the “GOP e” when they SHOULD be looking in the mirror!

We are often our own worst enemy.

22 posted on 12/10/2012 11:30:49 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: nickcarraway

Well... This guy Chait is clearly a Democrat scumbag, but if you ignore the snide tone he does a nice job here.
Pretty accurate analysis, IMO.

If the GOPe sells out conservatives by agreeing to pour even more tax dollars down the government toilet, then those leaders must be flushed down the toilet of history.

Every additional penny of taxes that gets flushed down the government toilet is an additional penny for the rats to spend buying the votes of their party base of moochers, bums, deadbeats, and parasites. Money is fungible. Any argument that claims “new revenues” will be used to (reduce the deficit / pay down the debt / fund the military / whatever) is lying horse manure.


23 posted on 12/10/2012 11:34:13 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Kansas58

That is the case.

The enemy divides us, the GOP divides us and we divide ourselves.

We ain’t going anywhere anytime soon.


24 posted on 12/10/2012 11:34:13 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Tzimisce

Yup. More “moderate” crap. I want my politicians to be gun-toting, non-pc right-wingers.


25 posted on 12/10/2012 11:34:13 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I want to see that happen. In the meantime my great desire is to see many thousands protesting at White House passionately demanding our troops be brought home NOW not another man die in Afghanistan because this CIC is making them stay there for a date of ending and there is no mission. A Seal was killed today, the other day a 25 year old marine. Why did they give their lives, Obama answer what great mission have you engaged them in worthy of the sacrifice? We must demand it stop.. I’m too old. Can some great body of patriots plan a protest?


26 posted on 12/10/2012 11:38:08 PM PST by maranatha (Pray always for our military and their families)
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To: nickcarraway
They nominated Romney and expected victory?!!! What fantasy world are these Republicans living in? After the first few debates I knew it was all over and there was no chance of defeating Obama.
27 posted on 12/10/2012 11:44:58 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Kansas58
The “purist” and holier than thou types in our own Conservative movement gave us Romney.

No they didn't. They merely settled for Romney after the GOP establishment elite spent months force-feeding him down the throats of casual Republican voters and leaners, a task that was made easy for them thanks to the lazy rat newsrooms who remembered Romney from last time and followed went their meme.

You really think that all along the "conservatives" wanted the liberal Massachusetts governor and father of the original version of commie-care as the standard bearer for the GOP? Get a grip.

28 posted on 12/10/2012 11:49:12 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: max americana

In other words, not Rubio.


29 posted on 12/10/2012 11:49:59 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Carry_Okie

I am sure I meant that the Pied Piper comes to mind when a liberal rag such as the New Yorker tells you to hail the creature.


30 posted on 12/10/2012 11:50:39 PM PST by stanne
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To: Kansas58

Your comment is pretty accurate......I still think our issue is that no one is laying out the message about capitalism and taxes and spending in an easily understood sound bite that is digestible by the masses. The candidate that does this for the conservative cause will be the next conservative nominee....imho...looks like Rubio for now......


31 posted on 12/10/2012 11:59:48 PM PST by superfries
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To: nickcarraway

Clue; the republican party is well on its way to “WeekEnd at Bernies”..
Its quite dead you know..

Boehner and McConnell are holding it up by its arms..
It may even be smoking a joint..


32 posted on 12/11/2012 12:00:06 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Kansas58

As did I. I had reservations, but would have gladly voted for any of the three.

The problem is that the CINOs actions reinforced Romney’s lifetime of stupidity and two full campaigns/tens of millions of dollars worth of lying and corruptly trashing his opposition, by running around FR and elsewhere praising his ‘conservatism as if he were Obama at the Greek Pillars and condemning anyone not on board as ‘traitors to their country’. We were called ‘purists’ and condemned for sticking to conservative ideals and beliefs. Since the opposite of purity is corruption, I wear the badge proudly.

None of the above CINO BS is remotely conservative. People who did so are not remotely conservative. They are the enemy every bit as much ‘our’ problem as a person openly supporting the bullshit of Bohner and the GOP.

Words mean things whether CINOs want them to or not. “Conservative’ requires conservative actions, not feel-good words. And by their actions, determining truly conservative people is not hard to do.

If people are either too stupid or too willfully ignorant to tell the difference, then Conservatism is dead and lets just embrace the greater evil.


33 posted on 12/11/2012 12:11:10 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: nickcarraway

No way would I go with Rubio!!!


34 posted on 12/11/2012 12:23:28 AM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Careful, you’ll have half his fanbase calling you a traitor to your country too.

The DREAM acts stuff is pure conservatism you see...And that pesky parent birth thing is OK since Obama did it.

That’s conservative too.


35 posted on 12/11/2012 12:25:57 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: nickcarraway

What? Lib scaremongering not calming down post-election . . . ? Gotta find the next Emmanuel Goldstein to set up as the straw man for the two-minute hate?


36 posted on 12/11/2012 12:32:58 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Norm Lenhart

“Careful, you’ll have half his fanbase calling you a traitor to your country too”

I’ll wear the tag proudly!


37 posted on 12/11/2012 12:35:13 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Kansas58

You sure they’re conservatives? Name ‘em and let’s see who exactly is conservative out of the bunch. Let’s be honest, indeed.


38 posted on 12/11/2012 12:39:58 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Kansas58

Purists didn’t give us Romney. The GOP-e gave us Romney since they wanted the naive to believe he was the only one who had a chance against Obama and some people were foolish enough to believe them.

I’ve known for years that there was no way any socialist republican like Romney could ever beat the democrats because they are democrats. Romney proved that beyond a shadow of anyone’s doubt. He didn’t engage our enemy because our enemy is his friend.

As for Rubio, even he knows he’s not NBC but he’s hoping against hope that the same idiots who fell for that Romney baloney will be just as naive about his situation.


39 posted on 12/11/2012 12:49:43 AM PST by Waryone
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To: dalereed

Hopefully we’ll have to take up a collection. You seee, we are rapidly running out of those tags and need to get more printed up.

Notice that since the election, and Bohner’s BS, people are finally OPENLY saying it’s all been a lie? And notice how on EVERY thread like this, the people who bestowed those tags on us are getting shriller? I could name names, but I think they are obvious enough to all.

THIS is how ‘change’ happens. Now we just have to let the lurkers know that they aren’t alone and that it’s not them, but the CINOs and their supporters that deserve the mockery.


40 posted on 12/11/2012 12:59:39 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: lu shissler

GOP turned to GLOP (Grand LIBERAL Old Party).


41 posted on 12/11/2012 1:14:28 AM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: nickcarraway

The GOP has been trying to keep us on the plantation with rhetoric that includes candidates who are not conservative or patriots calling themselves “conservative” and “patriot”.

I’m not buying the BS. We must face it that 90 percent plus of the elected GOP officials are pretty much phonies, business as usual politicians bought by big money and special interests that have nothing to do with conservative policy or principles.

These are Murkowski-type politicians like Palin had to take on in Alaska.


42 posted on 12/11/2012 1:19:58 AM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Nextrush

Honestly, I cringe every time I see the word ‘patriot’ as it’s used lately.

I remember a conversation on FR with a guy that was fast and loose with his use of the term. When cornered, he wasn’t about to hurt his business or impact his income to go against the bs that was the subject at the time...but he was a ‘patriot’. And was proud of it. Just ask him.

Likewise the TEA party could stand to lessen their overall usage of the term until someone actually does something truly patriotic. And bitching online is a far cry from patriotism as the founding fathers defined it. “American”? Yes. “Partiotic”? no.

Words used to and still do IMO, mean things. It’s the bastardization of the language 1984 style that has made great strides in empowering the left and GOP.


43 posted on 12/11/2012 1:30:30 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Tzimisce

I agree.


44 posted on 12/11/2012 2:06:44 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kansas58
Rubio is a Natural Born Citizen, which means only that he was a citizen at the exact moment of his birth. It is very ignorant to claim otherwise.

No point in arguing with idiots, so why don't you give it up, idiot.

45 posted on 12/11/2012 2:46:20 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: nickcarraway

Like all leftist scribblers who pose as moderate liberals, Chait avoids the central questions: what is the proper role of government, and what right does the state have to expropriate money from producers to squander on the takers? Nitwits like Chait like to believe it’s just a case of the greedy, selfish conservatives who don’t want to pay for the wonderful, modern welfare state where select groups must be unconstitutionally pandered to and the state allowed to spend/squander as much money on these groups as it wants. All lib/leftist scribblers follow the same course as Chait. They all avoid the central question.


46 posted on 12/11/2012 3:14:36 AM PST by driftless2
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To: bioqubit
"he cannot run"

So what are you going to do in 2016 when he gets the nomination, and nobody lifts a finger to stop him?

47 posted on 12/11/2012 3:16:20 AM PST by driftless2
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To: bioqubit

Rubio is not a natural born citizen, he cannot run for president.

Neither is Obama,but look who has the job.


48 posted on 12/11/2012 3:16:55 AM PST by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: itsahoot

One thing I’ve noticed on Free Republic is that the people with the least amount of facts and logic on their side in an argument are usually the first to start calling other people names.


49 posted on 12/11/2012 3:20:50 AM PST by driftless2
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To: bioqubit

According to Wikipedia, Rubio was born in Miami.


50 posted on 12/11/2012 3:22:47 AM PST by Pomosapien (Buck Religion)
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