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Jimmy Hoffa, on Michigan: "We're Going to Have a Civil War"
Townhall.com ^ | December 12, 2012 | Guy Benson

Posted on 12/12/2012 1:35:18 PM PST by Kaslin

Yes, this is the same elegant creature who screeched about "taking out" Tea Party "son-of-a-bitches" [sic] at a presidential event last year.  In case you'd forgotten, both the White House and the DNC conspicuously declined to repudiate his vituperation at the time.  Now Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. has taken his anger mismanagement show to CNN, seething about an incipient "civil war" in Michigan:
 

Jimmy Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said Tuesday he expects Michigan unions and lawmakers to break out into "civil war" after the state legislature passed right-to-work bills that would weaken unions' power. "This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war," Hoffa said on CNN's Newsroom. "What they're doing is basically betraying democracy," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin. "If there's any question here, let's put it on the ballot and let the people of Michigan decide what's good for Michigan." Proponents of the legislation say it gives workers more freedom, while opponents say a less robust union presence will negatively affect workers’ rights. Hoffa also argued that those who don't pay union dues will be considered "free riders,” as they’re getting the same benefits from union representation without the cost.  


Don't bother calling; the civility police are off duty these days.  Let's address each of Hoffa's points: (1) The "war" statement doesn't sound like a lamentation; it sounds like a threat.  Hoffa sounds almost giddy about the division and acrimony, like he's thirsty for more.  Based on yesterday's displays of organized labor's appalling thuggery, people would be wise to take him at his word.  

(2) On the demand for a ballot initiative, two points.  First, Michiganders elect a governor and a state legislature for a reason.  It's called "indirect democracy," and it's the form of government upon which the republic was founded.  Second, as it happens, Michigan voters actually had an opportunity to enshrine union "rights" in their state constitution just five weeks ago.  They overwhelmingly chose not to do so.  Bear in mind that this is a state that Barack Obama won fairly comfortably.  Is Hoffa aware of these facts?
 

Democrats are complaining about the speed with which Republicans are acting, but the truth is, organized labor has seen this coming for a while. Stung by the success of Gov. Scott Walker's efforts to limit collective bargaining in Wisconsin -- Walker's actions have resulted in more money, more teachers and better conditions in schools around the state -- they tried to make sure it wouldn't happen again. In Michigan, they pushed what was known as Proposal 2, which would have enshrined union collective bargaining powers in the state constitution. If Proposal 2 had passed, what state GOP lawmakers are doing now would have been literally unconstitutional. But Proposal 2 was decisively defeated on Election Day, 58 percent to 42 percent. The path was clear for Republicans to act.  


(3) The irony of a union boss bellyaching about "free-loading" is pretty rich, but the argument itself doesn't stand up.  The Michigan law merely stops the coercive practice of making dues-paying membership an enforceable entry requirement simply to work at an organization.  And where do all those dues go anyway?
 

When continually focusing in the media on being “forced” to represent people who don’t pay dues under a right-to-work law, union heads are implying that they spend the vast majority of their money on contract negotiations, representation or other non-political work. That is a myth. For example, according to the most recent federal filings, the Michigan Education Association — the state’s largest labor union — received $122 million and spent $134 million in 2012. They averaged about $800 from each of their 152,000 members. According to union documents, "representational activities" (money spent on bargaining contracts for members) made up only 11 percent of total spending for the union. Meanwhile, spending on “general overhead” (union administration and employee benefits) comprised of 61 percent of the total spending. So MEA members who disagree with the leadership of the union are paying up to 90 percent of their dues, but the union is only spending about a tenth of the dues money representing them.


So just a sliver of the dues actually pay for the activities that (supposedly) directly benefit the workers.  The rest is poured into expensive overhead -- union boss salaries, etc -- and political activities.  Which brings us to the real reason organized labor has been freaking out over the last few years:  Most non-compulsory unions can't survive if people are given a choice.  The truth is that a lot of rank-and-file union members look at that 11 percent figure above, and think to themselves, no thanks.  Since Wisconsin passed its budget reform law last year, union membership has plummeted.  That's not Scott Walker's fault; union members have been empowered to make choices about how they want the money they've earned to be spent, and many have availed themselves of that power.  Without mandatory dues, unions have fewer resources.  And without brimming coffers, unions have less money to put into the pockets of their political allies.  And without funds to purchase political clout, unions become less and less relevant.  And as unions become less relevant, the people who've made a lot of money off of that racket for years get very angry and start shrieking about Hitler.  Hoffa's statements, while unseemly, are basically an expression of impotent rage.  That should be encouraging to taxpayers and workers alike.


UPDATE - If there's to be a civil war in Michigan, shouldn't it be over something genuinely outrageous and unacceptable, such as this?
 

Detroit public-school eighth graders do even worse in math than they do in reading, according to the Department of Education. While only 7 percent scored highly enough on the department’s National Assessment of Educational Progress test in 2011 to be rated “proficient” or better in reading, only 4 percent scored highly enough to be rated “proficient” or better in math. Statewide in Michigan, only 32 percent of public-school eighth graders scored grade-level proficient or better in reading, and only 31 percent scored grade-level proficient or better in math. 68 percent of Michigan public-school eighth graders are not proficient in reading and 69 percent are not proficient in math.  


Totally unrelated side note: Tens of thousands of Michigan public school students missed classes yesterday because their teachers were busy protesting the right to work law.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: jimmyhoffa; laborunions; righttowork; unionthugs
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61 posted on 12/12/2012 2:41:54 PM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Kaslin

Yeah, let’s put it on a ballot, Jimmy, so you and your fellow Marxists thugs can steal another election.


62 posted on 12/12/2012 2:43:44 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Kaslin

Yeah,
With a little luck,
the same group that grabbed his poppa and planted him in some building cornerstone meets this goober at some diner...


63 posted on 12/12/2012 3:05:26 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Kaslin
“Paging Mr. Tony Giacalone.”
64 posted on 12/12/2012 3:06:57 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Kaslin

Jimmy, sweetheart, I’m too old to be frightened of anything, least of all YOU.


65 posted on 12/12/2012 3:13:10 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: sergeantdave
Unions on a battlefield? Nah! I don’t think so.

That was my first reaction. These guys are afraid of real work let alone a real war. LOL.

66 posted on 12/12/2012 3:18:29 PM PST by CommieCutter
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To: Kaslin

Yes, Jr. And no matter how long it takes, you and yours will be crushed like the parasites that you are.


67 posted on 12/12/2012 3:29:09 PM PST by AdaGray
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To: Kaslin

“Jimmy Hoffa, on Michigan: “We’re Going to Have a Civil War””

Good! Shoot this a**hole first.

bobo


68 posted on 12/12/2012 3:33:29 PM PST by bobo1
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Just a year ago, the UAW was sizing up which of the Japanese/Korean/German car makers they would organize in the southern states.”

They would pick off a plant or two, but generally they would find a very tough row to hoe.


69 posted on 12/12/2012 3:53:13 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Joe Boucher

“With a little luck,
the same group that grabbed his poppa and planted him in some building cornerstone meets this goober at some diner...”
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Short of proof, but pretty convincing:
http://www.amazon.com/Heard-You-Paint-Houses-Teamsters/dp/1586420895/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355356585&sr=1-1&keywords=you+paint+houses


70 posted on 12/12/2012 4:02:26 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Kaslin

First of all, I always thought Teamster members are stupid for electing Jimmy Hoffa’s son as president. Where does the qualifications come from?

Second, I doubt half of the teachers in Detroit schools can read. But they are union.


72 posted on 12/12/2012 4:20:58 PM PST by Terry Mross (I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if something big happens.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

And interestingly, an ever-increasing number of them have nothing to do with building autos. Since the car companies have imploded, the UAW is mostly into recruiting hospital employees, state employees, etc.

They organized the Indiana state employees under a sweetheart deal with Evan Bayh and were tossed out when Mitch Daniels took office.


73 posted on 12/12/2012 4:23:18 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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>> Hoffa also argued that those who don’t pay union dues will be considered “free riders,” as they’re getting the same benefits from union representation without the cost.

Cannot the employer offer different benefit packages?


74 posted on 12/12/2012 4:32:11 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Bryanw92

” most of my union brothers are conservatives, so when you start the civil war, be assured that a majority of southern union members will be shooting at you!”

Given that Michigan has over 1,000,000 licensed deer hunters, and supposing that the recent election results on Right to Work legislation is at all representative of how those northern hunters see a possible “civil war” started by Hoffa Jr., bet on Hoffa and his thugs losing.

Question: Will Michigan hunters wives allow their husbands to take any goonion trophies to the taxidermist?


75 posted on 12/12/2012 4:38:40 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: Sooth2222

Or down here to the South. Actually, it’s mostly foreign car companies down here. They aren’t stupid enough to bargain with the devil, uh, unions.

Nissan (TN), Mercedes (AL), BMW (GA I think), Volkswagon (TN) all make cars down here.


76 posted on 12/12/2012 4:45:16 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Let the Dems destroy the economy!)
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To: Kaslin

Mark my words, they’re on the short end of the stick, legally and morally, and they’re gonna get their A$$ kicked good.


77 posted on 12/12/2012 4:49:37 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: cripplecreek
Good luck Jimmy. Subtract about 40% of your 17% and get back to us.

ROFLMAO! GRRRRREAT calculatin' 'creek! That's the funniest thing I've ever seen you post!!!

(the useful idiots may not get the message though. they comprehend math at a 4th grade level. percentages???...fuggettaboutit)

Jimmy the Mathematician BUMP!

78 posted on 12/12/2012 5:32:19 PM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt

I think we’ve witnessed the beginning of the end of unions in America. As members leave, dues will rise causing even more members to jump ship.


79 posted on 12/12/2012 5:42:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

The only thing that anyone and everyone should say to Hoffa is “How’s your Dad?”


80 posted on 12/12/2012 6:07:46 PM PST by Mastador1
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