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Women senators agree: If women were in charge, there’d be a fiscal cliff deal by now
Hotair ^ | 12/13/2012 | AllahPundit

Posted on 12/13/2012 7:26:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Via Mediaite, this is worth watching if only to see McCaskill mouth a bit of ancient biological determinism that would have set the left off on a two-day screech bender had she been a Republican man. I think the clip's worst sin is how cloying it is: Diane Sawyer decided to bring the women of the Senate together to talk about capital-w Women, so naturally some self-serving CW about capital-w Women must get said. Thank you, Susan Collins, for handling the easy lay-up. I'd like to hear more from her and McC about why compromise is a virtue in itself (especially since the fiscal cliff is a product of bipartisan compromise) and how standing firm because you're committed to your economic beliefs is really just a form of male pigheadedness. Don't you hate how men refuse to ask for directions when they're lost? And how they whine when you ask them to concede on billions of new taxes on small businesses?

Speaking of compromise, Keith Hennessey's got a bipartisan plan in mind in case all else fails. It’s not one he likes and it’s not one he wants to see the House pass, but it might get the GOP a bit more leverage at the table with O:

I think option C is S. 3412, a bill passed by the Senate in July. The short description is that this bill “extends the middle class tax relief for one year and allows tax cuts for the rich to expire.” More precisely, here is what the bill does (Joint Tax table is here):

It extends for one year all current income tax rates for incomes < $200K (single) and <$250K (married);
For one year it keeps the capital gains rate at 15% for the same incomes as above;
For one year it (explicitly) raises the capital gains and dividends rates to 20% for incomes >$200K/$250K;
It extends for one year other provisions of current law, important and not-so-important: marriage penalty relief and the child credit, education tax relief, and a handful of smaller provisions; and
It patches the AMT for 2012…

I detest S. 3412 and do not want it to become law. But I fear that Congressional Republicans are so afraid of being blamed for a no-bill scenario that they will agree to support a hypothetical Obama-Boehner deal that is even worse. They should not do that. They must not do that.

In other words, the GOP would give in on tax hikes on the rich — a prospect that Republicans generally and even some prominent tea partiers seem increasingly resigned to — but it’d be for just one year, thus limiting the economic damage done and buying time for deliberations over tax reform. And because 3412 passed the Senate entirely with Democratic votes, theoretically Obama would have no choice but to sign it if it passed the House now. It’s already “the Democratic plan.” But then, the point here isn’t to get Obama to sign it; it’s to pressure him to make further concessions by threatening him with a short-term bill pre-approved by Democrats that would deny him a debt-ceiling hike, permanent tax hikes on the rich, new stimulus spending, and lots of other goodies he’s looking for in a “grand bargain.” It’s a play for a bit more leverage in negotiations. Just one question for Hennessey: Why does he think O would fear vetoing a Democratic bill now when it was passed months before the election? If Boehner passed it, Obama dismiss it by insisting that voters changed the game in November and granted him a mandate on liberal budgetary priorities, such that the Democratic Senate would also surely reject 3412 if it came before them again now. (Reid would give him plenty of cover on that.) Maybe it’s worth the House passing the bill anyway just because it’d put Obama on the defensive in explaining why he prefers going over the cliff to signing a Democratic bill, but I put nothing past the media when it comes to shaping public opinion against Republicans. Obama’s done an expert job of framing the entire deficit reduction debate as an argument over tax hikes on the rich and little else. If he rejected 3412 because it doesn’t make those tax hikes permanent, what’s Boehner’s move then?

I’ll leave you with Philip Klein on why the “no surrender” option isn’t much of an option either. Exit quotation: “What happens [after we go over the cliff] when Harry Reid holds a vote on a bill that lowers rates on the middle class? Will Republican senators vote against it? If so, their challengers can run ads attacking them for voting against a massive middle-class tax cut. What does that do to the brand? And when, in all likelihood, such a bill passes with near-unanimous support in the Senate, what does it do to the House GOP’s low-tax brand if their members resist, bottle up or vote against the same tax cut?”

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To: SeekAndFind

I’d settle for actual men being in charge. What we have now has no gender.


61 posted on 12/13/2012 11:13:45 AM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: whd23

When I worked for Lockheed Martin, the division’s head was a black woman, executive VP, initials L. Gooden. She is a big zero supporter and gives a lot of money to the democrats. Some parts may be redundant but in a different post here in FR today, here is what happened since she became head of the division

- cracked down on the dress code, no more casual Friday’s and the shirt you wear has to be a long sleeve button down shirt

- when you take vacation, you have to make up the time off with extra unpaid casual OT

- Five hours of unpaid OT required each week

- Pay scales reduced, no pay reduction, therefore no more pay increases in order for your pay to move from the top end of the scale to the middle

- no more leaving early on Fridays even with your 45 hours in

- The exec VP has a reputation of being a micro-manager. She has paid visits to the Colorado site and ordered people sent home for wearing jeans to work

- One of the VP’s that was employee friendly quit and went to a different company. The Exec VP took the pleasure of calling him in once or twice each week to chew him a new @$$hole and he had enough. He put his two weeks notice for a new job and he was escorted off the premises and was permanently banned from ALL LM facilities

In that company, I had a manager who was a liberal democrat and he was horrible to work for. Had many run-ins with him I mentioned here in FR.

Also many years back, company I worked for in Indiana, the executive VP was also a democrat and she was stingy on pay and stingy on how you can use your vacation benefit too such as not being allowed to take time off during the Summer and the excuse was fiscal year started on Jul 1.

> The CEO of the company I work for is a woman (and a Dem. to boot). Under her “leadership” employee benefits, pay, and consequently morale has dropped like a rock.


62 posted on 12/13/2012 11:51:48 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: SeekAndFind

If women were in charge, we would have lost the country decades or centuries ago.

Either the USSR or China or Germany or Japan or Spain or England, would have owned us.


63 posted on 12/13/2012 12:50:53 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: Noamie
Re: All of the points in your post.

My Mom is tough-as-nails. She makes me look like a whiny liberal.

And, she'd agree wholeheartedly with you. :-)

To say that women can't accomplish things is a fallacy. Many can, and do. But the lion's share absolutely fit into the mold that we're discussing. There's a reason why they're called "stereotypes". :-)

64 posted on 12/13/2012 12:53:27 PM PST by wbill
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To: CORedneck
He put his two weeks notice for a new job and he was escorted off the premises and was permanently banned from ALL LM facilities

I've been escorted off premises a couple of times, myself. Didn't mind it a bit - in fact it covered my butt. There was no question of me leaving any time bombs ticking in the computer systems, and if something DID blow up, there was no question of me being responsible for it.

In fact, at the last job I left, I gave them a list of all the accounts and passwords that I had, with the recommendation to change all of them after I was gone. No idea if they did or not (I don't care) but I didn't want there to be a sniff of impropriety.

But otherwise, she sounds like a real ball-busting bitch. I'll take a wild guess that there were a bunch of engineers in her division (it is LM, after all) ... and she was not one of them.

65 posted on 12/13/2012 1:03:09 PM PST by wbill
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To: ArrogantBustard

What,no Patty Murray?


66 posted on 12/13/2012 1:15:33 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82
Here ya go:

Didn't know you had the hots for her ...

< BARF!!!! >

67 posted on 12/13/2012 1:25:29 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: adorno
RE: If women were in charge, we would have lost the country decades or centuries ago.

"I hasten to remind you that I was in charge when we kicked the butts of the Argentinians who tried to take the Faklands from us. I was also the one who told Papa Bush not go wobbly."



68 posted on 12/13/2012 1:26:59 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Fido969
Women senators agree: If women were in charge, there’d be a fiscal cliff deal by now

Big talk until they find a sale and it's off the cliff we go...
69 posted on 12/13/2012 1:30:31 PM PST by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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To: ArrogantBustard

RE: #40, my eyes, my eyes. I think the only ones you missed were the Fluke slut and Moochelle.


70 posted on 12/13/2012 1:32:10 PM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

AB, I knew you would come through for me!

What’s not to like????????????

BLECHHH!


71 posted on 12/13/2012 1:33:40 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: wbill

I looked at Gooden’s background, she has a Computer Tech Degree but she has some graduate degrees in the area of business. And she was a ball breaking bitch too ! I heard stories of various people having run-ins with her. She was also known for being a workaholic too. All the petty rules they had reminded you that you were company property. I want to add, when you went on vacation, you had to get permission not only to take the time off but also leave town as well. Want to add, she use to head LM-IT and the people there didn’t like her and how he treated everyone there too.

> she sounds like a real ball-busting bitch. I’ll take a wild guess that there were a bunch of engineers in her division (it is LM, after all) ... and she was not one of them.

I was at one job and wanted a vacation badly. I was hoping to be let go as soon as I gave my two weeks but no such luck. Of course that job, there was no internet account.

At LM, the second to the last contract, I had many safe combos, passwords, codes to make your head spin. I however refused the combo for the COMSEC safe especially since if ou screwed it up, yo go to jail. When I left the contract, I told my cohorts to change the root passwords and before I lost root access, I removed my user accounts from all of the systems and asked the other sysadmins to go through after I was gone to make sure they were gone. When I went to my last contract working at an AF base, it was like a 5 person team and I told my cohort that I didn’t want any door combos, safe combos or anything. I needed the root password so I can do my job. When I got laid off, it was easy for them - they didn’t have to change combos since I didn’t sign for them.

> I’ve been escorted off premises a couple of times, myself. Didn’t mind it a bit - in fact it covered my butt.


72 posted on 12/13/2012 6:38:27 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: SeekAndFind

Sexist pigs!


73 posted on 12/13/2012 6:41:48 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: SeekAndFind

Thankfully they aren’t in chargwe!!!!


74 posted on 12/13/2012 6:42:45 PM PST by dalereed
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To: SeekAndFind

The Iron Lady! The British sure make their ladies tough!


75 posted on 12/13/2012 6:53:38 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: adorno

That is ONE woMAN, not woMEN.

And, most women would not go to war, no matter what the cause or the need or circumstances.


76 posted on 12/14/2012 6:02:19 AM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: CORedneck
she has a Computer Tech Degree but she has some graduate degrees in the area of business

Thought so. Dumb people who are in positions of power AND who aren't all that wise, tend to be easily intimidated and bludgeon those who are smarter than them.

I've worked for all types. The smart AND wise ones are the most fun. The dumb ones that are wise enough to just keep a steady hand on the tiller are the second best.

The dumb, foolish ones are always either petty tyrants, like this lady, or are just mostly useless. I had a "mostly useless" manager not long ago, and I pretty much managed him, rather than the other way around. He was handy to send to meetings and/or keep people off my back so that I could get the work done. Otherwise, I pretty much did my own thing, and only let him stick to making the harmless decisions.

77 posted on 12/14/2012 7:28:59 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

Some of Gooden’s crazy crap in LM is laying off people and then rehire them as contractors at half time and half pay which means they get quarter what they made before. Another one is knocking employees down to half time - they can only charge 20 hours per week, therefore benefits are significantly chopped or eliminated. These two different things happened to two different people.

The guy that works 20 hours per week as a LM employee, they dictate his hours where he still has to come in 5 days per week and they even dictate his hours where he has to stay at work until 2 or 3. That pretty well ruins any chance to have a different part time job and ruins your whole day.

When I worked at LM, taking Fri off or Fri afternoon was one of the perks I enjoyed but LM cracked down on that after I got laid off, they are doing it by enforcing core hours which is 10 to 4.


78 posted on 12/14/2012 8:40:55 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: Dr. Thorne; pissant

“If women were in charge, our nation would be in a far worse situation than we are currently. Considering the utter stupidity women displayed in the recent elections, the U.S. would be in a full-blown depression with 35% unemployment and 100% yearly inflation if not in a total meltdown.”

Agreed! One good long time freeper got kicked out of here for expressing such sentiments. He was right then and he’s still right.

I’d give up my vote if I could stop most women from voting because they’ve done far more damage than good.
Women are supposed to be nurturers, not warriors.
It’s not NICE to fool mother nature.


79 posted on 12/14/2012 8:47:42 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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