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Boehner caves on taxes(the GOP will get nothing and we will get higher taxes now or later)
am thinker ^ | 12/16/12 | r moran

Posted on 12/16/2012 7:57:20 AM PST by bestintxas

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Note to Boehner: It's SPENDING STUPID!
1 posted on 12/16/2012 7:57:30 AM PST by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

...unexpectedly...


2 posted on 12/16/2012 8:01:19 AM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: bestintxas

I’m shocked ... shocked!

And didn’t we ALL know Boehner would cave? Didn’t we?

Throw that bum out and elect a Speaker with a set of stones, for the love of God!


3 posted on 12/16/2012 8:03:17 AM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. No exceptions.)
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To: bestintxas
Taxes on the rich were going to go up regardless. Either Boehner caves and the rich get nailed or we hit the fiscal cliff and everyone's taxes go up. He's in a lose/lose situation. Doing what he can to save those Bush-era tax cuts for the middle class was probably the most politically viable option.

It is my hope that conceding on this issue might give him the leverage he needs to stand firm against the Assault Weapons Ban that you can bet is right around the corner.

4 posted on 12/16/2012 8:07:03 AM PST by Drew68
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To: bestintxas

“Never let a crisis go to waste”

He waited until the networks and news media were covering the shootings almost 24/7.. and CAVED in the middle of that.

Nothing to see here...


5 posted on 12/16/2012 8:08:56 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: bestintxas

Exactly. There’s really no negotiating with Barry anyway. Taking what he was willing to offer in preserving the Bush cuts up to $250K was all that could happen there anyway.

But the House controls spending, that’s the bigger problem anyway, and Boehner and crew have dicked around without really addressing it for two years already anyway!

That’s were the action should be.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 8:09:21 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: bestintxas

Long past time the Republican Party withers on the vine. Why does this country have to have 2 liberal parties?


7 posted on 12/16/2012 8:10:59 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: bestintxas

Lucy, Charlie Brown and the football all over again. Washington needs a complete remake.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 8:16:31 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: bestintxas; vette6387; mazda77

Note to Boehner, “find your spine, guts, and gonads!” Note to the House, “find a Speaker with spine, guts, and gonads NOW.”


9 posted on 12/16/2012 8:17:17 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: bestintxas
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10 posted on 12/16/2012 8:17:52 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Drew68
” It is my hope that conceding on this issue might give him the leverage he needs to stand firm against the Assault Weapons Ban that you can bet is right around the corner.”

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Sorry Drew, but that is naive thinking. The Democrats view any effort to compromise as capitulation. If the Republicans cave on taxes, they will cave on gun control. The Dems know that all too well, and the Republicans will just take it with barely a whimper.

11 posted on 12/16/2012 8:18:54 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Drew68; bestintxas

You’re absolutely right. I keep hearing about Boehner “caving”. There is NOTHING the Republicans can do to prevent taxes from going up. Literally nothing. The only thing he can do is to negotiate spending cuts. But on the tax issue, its a done deal.


12 posted on 12/16/2012 8:19:56 AM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: bestintxas

PLEASE make that weeping, overtanned, nicotine addicted, RINO loser go away! PLEASE!


13 posted on 12/16/2012 8:21:03 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: bestintxas
Why doesn't Boehner call Hussein out on this? This tax increase will bring in so many billions , yet the deficit dwarfs any gain from increasing taxes. Or, ask 0Mugabe the same question he was asked in '08.

"It's been shown by IRS records that if you raise the capital gains/dividend tax you bring in LESS money in actual dollars into the treasury, why do we need to do this, and how will YOU make up this new shortfall?"

In '08 0boober's answer was "it was a matter of "fairness." , so OK it's a matter of fairness that we increase taxes and actually cut money from the treasury, how than mr. president, do we make up the difference???

Boehner and the GOP need to stop playing the progressive game and start arguing with mathematical facts. Put it in terms that the average young single cosmo reading gal (who seems to be the new demographic) can understand. In other words stop arguing emotionally and start using logic. The community organizer will fold like he did in the first debate when Romney actually gave him some tough questions.

14 posted on 12/16/2012 8:22:10 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: bestintxas

I think you missed the boat. Boehner just called Obama’s bluff and you allowed yourself to have been spun by Politico (it has already been reject).


15 posted on 12/16/2012 8:24:58 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: bestintxas

Maybe Bonehead can up his offer from 1 trillion in tax increases to
2 trillion in tax increases and Obama will accept. After all if Bonehead
is willing to go to 1 trillion, why not 2 or 3 trillion.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 8:25:26 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Perdogg

bump!


17 posted on 12/16/2012 8:30:36 AM PST by jpsb
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To: fatnotlazy

Because we can’t create a third party don’t you know.

I was told when I registered as a Republican in Louisiana in 1961 that I was wasting my vote because the winner would be elected in the Democrat Primary which I would not be allowed to vote in.

It takes time to build a third party that would be viable but you got to start some time if you want real change.

Unfortunately, I don’t see that happening. We are too busy fighting ourselves on issues like the War on Drugs, etc. Most of us are not “pure” enough on our positions to even get agreement among ourselves much less decide on a platform that would embrace a true majority of voters.

The Democrats don’t have to divide us, we do that ourselves. We accuse the Liberals of thinking they “know everything”, but I see the same attitude here.

Look what happened here during our primary. We couldn’t agree on one canditate because of “flaws” of not being the perfect one.

It’s our problem, and until we find a way of finding the best instead of the perfect, we will remain powerless with RINO’s in charge of the opposition.


18 posted on 12/16/2012 8:34:05 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: bestintxas

Boehner signs on to the NO GROWTH, continued high unemployment scheme...

Way to go, dunce...


19 posted on 12/16/2012 8:34:07 AM PST by detch
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To: fatnotlazy
If the Republicans cave on taxes, they will cave on gun control.

Oh, they'll cave on gun control. Of this, I have no doubt. It'll only be a matter of how much they'll cave.

20 posted on 12/16/2012 8:36:10 AM PST by Drew68
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To: bestintxas

Yet more evidence that the radio caller was telling the absolute truth when he said, “I was in a meeting after Obama got elected and I was told by the Democratic officials in that meeting that we were gonna get billions of dollars that was gonna come down the pike, our way, and what we were to do with it was, we were supposed to build a…. We are gonna build an army of Democratic patronage jobs…. gonna completely freeze up the Republicans forever and ever…”
“It’s not a stimulus package; it’s not pork; it’s a job patronage system.
“…be bigger than the United States Army—that’s what we were told; there’s gonna be more employees working for the Democrats in this patronage system than the United States Army.”


21 posted on 12/16/2012 8:43:47 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: bestintxas

Boehner caving again .. say it isn’t so !
It’s all about the SPENDING ! GOOFEY !!

The Narcisist in Chief is having a control tantrum , a hissey-fit , and Boehner has no spine , nor moral resolve .
It time for a change .
We are being represented by a leader with no spine , argueing with an orator who cannot lead.
A jellyfish has more spine than Boehner .
Go figure !


22 posted on 12/16/2012 8:47:07 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ((Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison))
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To: bestintxas
"...and we will get higher taxes now or AND later"
23 posted on 12/16/2012 8:50:14 AM PST by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT!)
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To: bestintxas

“(the GOP will get nothing and we will get higher taxes now or later)”

That would be, now AND later. Wait till those under $250,000 see what they voted for.


24 posted on 12/16/2012 8:55:58 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: fatnotlazy

We have one party. There are different factions, but it is one party. It is kept in power by a parasite class, voter fraud and a complicit media. Any true conservative is the target of a vicious campaign of lies and innuendo.


25 posted on 12/16/2012 8:56:02 AM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( Boehner, our Vichy Speaker)
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To: bestintxas
OBAMA BOEHNER MTG
26 posted on 12/16/2012 8:57:49 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: tennmountainman

Bonehead is only going to bargain down. He is mark here.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 9:00:35 AM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( Boehner, our Vichy Speaker)
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To: bestintxas

This isn’t a cave, come on. Raising the tax rate on people making more than $1 million a year means nothing, and that’s why Obama will reject it. The number of people who make a “salary” that high could probably fit inside a convention center ballroom somewhere. Entertainers and athletes basically. Everyone else who makes that kind of money can easily shift more of their income to dividends and capital gains, etc., so they’re not going to be paying any more in taxes.

I see this as a shrewd move by Boehner to expose the fact that Obama is not really looking to target the “millionaires and billionaires”. He’ll be protecting them, because they contribute to his and other Democrats’ campaigns. Obama wants to target the small business owners, and highly successful professionals who do make between $250K and $1 mil. They are the people who would actually get caught with a higher tax rate, not those making over $1 mil.


28 posted on 12/16/2012 9:01:16 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: bestintxas
Signaling new movement capitulation in "fiscal cliff" talks,

Fix'd

29 posted on 12/16/2012 9:01:30 AM PST by mykroar (BAD-ANON: One Game At A Time)
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To: Drew68
Now that Boehner has conceded these taxes on the top earners (in exchange for dramatic spending cuts), I suppose it will eventually be part of the deal, but Obama has refused the offer, which makes him look like the bad guy. R's are willing to work a deal, Obie is not.

Boehner probably knew it would be refused, so no harm yet. CBS News has begun questioning Obie's willingness to compromise and this verifies, actually strengthening our case, and redirects pending blame on them, not on us.

30 posted on 12/16/2012 9:04:59 AM PST by chiller (Do not consume any NBCNews;MTPTodayNightlyNewsMorningJoeMSNBCBrianWilliams)
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To: fatnotlazy
Long past time the Republican Party withers on the vine.

BOEHNER IS NOT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

31 posted on 12/16/2012 9:11:07 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: DNME
It's not Boehner. The President WON!! The Dems own the Senate and are stuck on stupid.

Boehner didn't/doesn't have a chance.

32 posted on 12/16/2012 9:11:14 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: bestintxas

Seriously, do you think there is any real difference in the parties? They both want one thing, to be re-elected. Secondary to that, they want more power.

We are past the point of no return, elections are rigged, there can be no third party, there are more that get from the gov’t than not (I’m including gov’t employees, those living off grants, business running on subsidies, etc.——this is NOWHERE near just a welfare problem).

There is only one chance and hope, secession.


33 posted on 12/16/2012 9:12:03 AM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: bestintxas

This version of the story all but ignores the 2nd half of the deal, which were large spending cuts.


34 posted on 12/16/2012 9:12:03 AM PST by chiller (Do not consume any NBCNews;MTPTodayNightlyNewsMorningJoeMSNBCBrianWilliams)
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To: DNME

I always find myself saying the exact same thing about our MISERABLE stoneless United Federation of Teachers president, Michael Mulgrew. How this guy, who was a shop teacher who got caught screwing a married teacher AT SCHOOL, ever got elected to this important office is beyond me. He has worked tirelessly to deliver his constituents on a platter to the little tyrant Mayor Doomberg. He has done nothing to help the senior teachers who are being purged from the system on false charges, schools deliberately being starved of resources so that they will fail and then be closed, etc. so that they can hire noobie teachers at half the price who are then not being given tenure. These noobies are but infantile children themselves, hardly distinguishable from the kids. Mulgrew is only out for himself and so is Boner.


35 posted on 12/16/2012 9:13:48 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: fatnotlazy

The GOP has become one wing of a two wing bird of prey. The DC Party.


36 posted on 12/16/2012 9:14:18 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: bestintxas
How about "taxing" those EBT's, Welfare Checks, etc.?

Where' the "fair share" the innner-city tribal parasites are sucking off the Taxpayer, while paying NO TAXES AT ALL, AND EVEN RECIEVING "Refunds" for below-poverty-level individuals????

At least Taxpayers would get a small portion of their money back, from the parasites.

Start FOOD KITCHENS, and STOP FOOD STAMPS/EBT'S, and lets really FEED those in need, instead of supplying $$$$ for crack, tattoo's, liquor, cigarettes, Casino gambling, etc.

Take away ANY means of cashing in for parasites, and we'll see who REALLY is sucking our tax dollars out.

Equal Treatment under the Law is a farce, when some payer HIGHER Income Tax Rates, while others pay a lesser percentage, and how this even passes the Smell Test (Progressive Income Taxes) is beyond me. The USSC has it WRONG on somehow penalizing success, while rewarding FAILURE and PARASITIC LIFESTYLES.

37 posted on 12/16/2012 9:14:51 AM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: bestintxas

Really, who is surprised?


38 posted on 12/16/2012 9:17:04 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: 9YearLurker
The House controls spending "with the blessing of the Senate and the President".

The House controls nothing.

39 posted on 12/16/2012 9:17:04 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

That makes two of us!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2969274/posts?page=15#15


40 posted on 12/16/2012 9:17:46 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: Thom Pain

Exactly. Much sooner, than later.
Can gun confiscation be far behind?
Can amnesty be far behind.

All the issues that have held the GOP together will soon fall apart.


41 posted on 12/16/2012 9:17:54 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: fatnotlazy
The Democrats...the Republicans...

The RATs are all cut from the same cloth, of the union-thug, packer/muncher/ tree-hugger, socialist weave. They are a monolithic voting bloc. The democrats can be counted upon to be... "the democrats".

The Republicans are all over the map...RINOS, squishes and TEApublicans.

The Republicans ARE NOT "the Republicans".

42 posted on 12/16/2012 9:22:24 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Aria

And everybody wonders where lenin/hitler/mussolini/mao found their armies. Don’t think for a second that it couldn’t happen in the US. We are one convincing despot away from being the next soviet union or china.


43 posted on 12/16/2012 9:22:24 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: bestintxas

Our Government elect is a mixture of cowards and tyrants; and WE sent them there, and allow them to live.


44 posted on 12/16/2012 9:23:23 AM PST by Ed Story
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To: bestintxas

In the beginning there was “Right” and “Wrong”.

We’ve been compromising in the “Wrong” direction ever since.

Now, they call that “progress”.

Satan agrees.


45 posted on 12/16/2012 9:23:32 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: bestintxas

If a FReeper will consider Boehner as he would any Democrat, nothing Boehner has done or does will surprise. Think of him as an uber-RINO or as a Democrat. It works better for one’s mental health and blood pressure.


46 posted on 12/16/2012 9:35:19 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: bestintxas
nobama to Boehner: Nice head fake John. But your cave isn't anywhere near enough.

More.

47 posted on 12/16/2012 9:42:52 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: bestintxas

Conservatives should be screaming for Boner’s head on a pike!


48 posted on 12/16/2012 9:54:06 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: bestintxas

Conservatives should be screaming for Boner’s head on a pike!


49 posted on 12/16/2012 9:54:27 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: bestintxas

The libs just sit and wait. Bonehead always.. ALWAYS moves to their position.


50 posted on 12/16/2012 10:06:57 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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