Posted on 12/16/2012 10:32:32 AM PST by jimbo123
Edited on 12/16/2012 11:24:04 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Welcome to the United States of Stupid America.”””
You can thank the ACLU loudly and often. They sued in the 70’s to close the mental institutions, where such crazies could be housed and kept out of polite society.
They also the got laws about treatment changed, so that only the person who has the problem is the person who can commit themselves.
My mom was a stone alcoholic. She would never admit she had a drinking problem. No drunk I have ever encountered would admit such. She managed to drink herself to death before she turned 58.
All I could state when told was “The Monkey’s Off My Back”.
Thanks to the laws the ACLU got passed in the 70’s, it is now very difficult to get someone committed. They are actually expected to commit themselves!!!!
A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, unless you have children.
It's all glamorous raising kids by yourself...until it's not.
Thank you for telling this painful story and for your cogent analysis. I too was raised by a disturbed mother - she was borderline, so able to function in the outside world, but irrational and violent at home. I ran away when I was 16.
I don’t think that the Laingians were all bad - I think they brought to attention a very valid point, that often the designated “crazy” person is the arm on the body of a sick family that gets to be ok or whole by having the crazy one be crazy.
I know that I was sent to shrinks as an adolescent for underperforming in math - the person who needed psychiatry/therapy was my violent and abusive mother. And she was just imitating her aunt who had moved into her home when my mother’s mother died in childbirth.
I agree that it is a bad day when the utopian notions of the left converge with the simplistic, know-nothing bottom-liners on what is called the right. And don’t forget the mercenary interests of the pharmacy industry, who have been the only beneficiaries of these policies.
for people that want to act out and be violent, there is jailtime and prison. This solution is not being used”””
In California, the state is releasing over 100,000 inmates because they claim overcrowding in the prisons.
There will be 3 waves of releases—mildest criminals to the 3rd wave, which will include multi-felony and sexual offenders.
It is virtually impossible to have even a child ‘commited’. Yes they will evaluate medicate, then send them home worse off than they wewe to begin with. There IS no meaningful help until they can be charged with a crime. By then it is too late for meaningful help to help. At that point it is blamed on the parents for not seeking help! Half the time when you DO seek help the ‘help’ you get is an investigation from child welfare.
Her alimony income was reported as $258,000 annually. She could have (and obviously Should have) afforded institutionalization.
But, but - that limits WhackoBoy’s rights sobs the Libtards. My answer to the Libtards is, “Call the Whaaambulance.”
Rights must be balanced. In this case her maternal behavior caused many deaths, including her own because she made a seriously wrong decision. But, with freedom to make choices comes responsibility for those choices. She chose to take the risk of her son’s known violent behavior and she died because of that choice. Her choice.
Where I feel she made a seriously evil choice was not recognizing that allowing her son’s known serious propensity for violence endangered others who had not made the conscious choice to risk their life or the lives of others because Mommie wanted to deny the risks her son posed.
Conclusion: Bad DNA can not be fixed, and must not be inflicted on others against their will.
Nice quote - thanks!
Mel
You are absolutely right.
Sounds like you have experience.
Appalling the lack of understanding of the issue here on FR.
>> It’s all glamorous raising kids by yourself...until it’s not.
The Left worked hard at marginalizing the father. I doubt it will acknowledge the obvious cost the broken family has on society especially when it can further degrade our Constitutional liberties.
Any man that brings a troubled child into the world is responsible for that child indefinitely. The village is NOT responsible sans “daddy”.
You sound intelligent, and I believe that you mean well, but you are totally off-base in your assumptions.
The Lanza perp was over 18. His mother could not “institutionalize” him against his will unless he was found by a court to be a danger to himself or others. Obviously, we know now that he was dangerous, but there’s no way to prove that until he actually demonstrated it. We don’t lock people up pre-emptively.
Perhaps you think we should, but there’s no way it happens now, even for parents who wish it. So your gripe is with the law as it stands.
It has NOTHING to do with his mother’s or father’s finances, but rather with how the mental health system operates, including the inability to remove the dangerous prior to the act.
You can use silly words like “libtards” and “Whackoboy” and you can blame the parents, but I would prefer a serious and respectful discussion of how we address the problem of how to prevent seriously mentally ill people from endangering us all.
>> Appalling the lack of understanding of the issue here on FR.
What do you mean by “lack of understanding”?
You’re making a generalization that may not apply to Lanza. Did both parents, given their resources, give the proper attention to the troubled child they both created? As far as I’m concerned, it’s not enough to say the parents’ responsibilities are limited to what the govt is willing to provide especially when financial resources are available.
Ye gads.
That kind of blather just underscores the appalling amount of ignorance on this subject and how hard it would be to correct the problem. We can’t even have a rational conversation.
Next you’ll be telling us that Lanza and Loughner and the Virginia Tech shooter and the Columbine duo and the Aurora killer ate too much sugar or didn’t get spankings or are allergic to food coloring.
Bye.
Here is an interesting article about Liza Long’s Viral Post “I am Adam Lanza’s Mother”
http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-12-17/thoughts-on-liza-longs-viral-post-i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/
Sounds like that article is as deceptive as the MSM has been.
I do and I am. I live this every day. My sons issues were a contributing factor in my divorce...maybe the biggest factor. It is NOT always a parenting issue that causes things like this. Nature is just as big a contributor as nurture in the case of severe mental illness. How do I know? I have six other children that do not have the issues my son does, yet they were raised in exactly the same circumstances he has been. And no you can not spank a mentally ill child into a cure. Some people here villify mothers that ‘keep’ a dangerous child with siblings. I have placed my son in mental institutions SIX times. I have called police/sheriff when he becomes violent. He has been medicated and counciled. He has been punished and reasoned with. I have been investigated by child welfare and they have threatened to take mo other six but refuse to place the one that needs help. How exactly is this the parents fault when there is no help to be had until after there is a tragedy? Then the tragedy is blamed on the parent! Try living it before you judge us!
I do and I am. I live this every day. My sons issues were a contributing factor in my divorce...maybe the biggest factor. It is NOT always a parenting issue that causes things like this. Nature is just as big a contributor as nurture in the case of severe mental illness. How do I know? I have six other children that do not have the issues my son does, yet they were raised in exactly the same circumstances he has been. And no you can not spank a mentally ill child into a cure. Some people here villify mothers that ‘keep’ a dangerous child with siblings. I have placed my son in mental institutions SIX times. I have called police/sheriff when he becomes violent. He has been medicated and counciled. He has been punished and reasoned with. I have been investigated by child welfare and they have threatened to take mo other six but refuse to place the one that needs help. How exactly is this the parents fault when there is no help to be had until after there is a tragedy? Then the tragedy is blamed on the parent! Try living it before you judge us!
By “lack of understanding” I mean simply that no family can force treatment on a legal adult without their consent. It doesn’t matter how much money that family has. And it’s not about what the “government is willing to provide,” other than legal authorization to get the perp off the streets before he kills someone.
It’s about somehow making it legally allowable to intervene, to force someone into treatment before they hurt others. But pre-emptive action brings up all kinds of First Amendment issues.
There’s got to be an answer, but we don’t have it yet.
I can’t know how much effort the Lanza family put into getting adequate help and intervention for their son. I do know FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that such an individual can make life living hell for a family and that such people can endanger a community despite the very best efforts of a family.
bfl
The fact that this discussion is happening in the LIBERAL bastions, and that the discussion may be turning from guns to mental health ALREADY, is a very encouraging thing.
Thank you for that post.
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