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Donít be afraid, Mr. President (Make our day gun grabbers!)
Salon ^ | DEC 15, 2012 | STEVE KORNACKI

Posted on 12/16/2012 1:54:54 PM PST by neverdem

Barack Obama and his party have been too terrified of angering gun owners to realize they can win without them

There’s no disputing that the Democratic Party has regressed dramatically on the issue of gun violence over the past two decades. When a shooting rampage on the Long Island Railroad killed six people and injured 19 others in December 1993, Bill Clinton responded immediately by calling for specific legislative action to prevent future tragedies. Contrast that with the response of White House Press Secretary Jay Carney on Friday to a question about whether the carnage in Connecticut might prompt President Obama to pursue gun control measures. “I’m sure there will be another day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates,” Carney said, “but I don’t think today is that day.”

It can be hard to remember now, but well into the 1990s, national Democrats proudly associated themselves with gun control, championing laws that restricted access to deadly weapons. Under Clinton, the Brady Bill, which mandated a five-day waiting period for the purchase of handgun, was passed, and so was a ban on assault weapons. The 1996 Democratic Convention that nominated Clinton for a second term featured Jim and Sarah Brady as primetime speakers.

The years since then, however, have been marked by a steady and thus far enduring Democratic retreat on the issue, with the Second Amendment crowd now largely dictating the terms of public discussion and Democrats mainly trying to avoid their wrath. Consider Obama’s record on guns, which includes one achievement: a law making it easier to carry concealed weapons in national parks.

While the violent crime rate that fed the gun control zeal of the ’90s is much lower today, horrifying mass shootings seem to be on the rise. Six of the 12 deadliest sprees in American history have taken place just since 2007. In his own remarks Friday, delivered a few hours after Carney’s, Obama seemed to hint that the latest deadly outburst might actually shake him and his party from their defensive crouch on guns. “[W]e’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of politics,” the president said.

What that means is anyone’s guess right now. It appears that the Connecticut killer used several weapons, at least one of which would be illegal if the assault weapons ban – which the Republican Congress refused to reauthorize in 2004 – were still in effect. Obama is on the record supporting the ban’s reinstatement; might he now demand action? Or will he pursue other policy changes? Or maybe he’ll just end up doing what leaders of his party have done for more than a decade now: nothing.

The Democrats’ cowardice on guns traces back to the fateful election of 2000. Clinton, despite his aggressive pursuit of gun control measures, fared relatively well with rural gun-owning populations in his 1996 reelection campaign. But those same voters turned hard on Al Gore in ’00, shifting Kentucky, Missouri, West Virginia, Arkansas and Tennessee to the Republican column. A victory in any one of those states – all of which Clinton carried twice – would have made Gore president. Democrats concluded that they’d scared off rural, lower-income white voters who had traditionally supported them – and that guns were the big reason why. A new consensus emerged: Gun control could no longer be a central component of Democratic messaging. So it was that John Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008 and 2012 did their best to ignore the issue. Kerry went so far as to embark on a goose hunt in rural Ohio just before Election Day.

In terms of political strategy, there’s been one obvious shortcoming to this approach: It hasn’t worked. Kerry did no better than Gore in West Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee and Arkansas, and Obama has failed to win any of those states in two elections now. What’s more, there’s been no improvement in Democratic support among gun owners in any election since 2000. As Nate Cohn pointed out Friday, the lesson Democrats should be drawing from Obama’s two victories is that they can win nationally without the pro-gun vote. The Democratic coalition continues to evolve and grow, and the rural white voters who were key to its success generations ago have become a reliably Republican constituency.

What’s more, Democrats continue to be painted as the party of gun confiscators by the NRA and its allies. Even though there was nothing in Obama’s first term record for them to object to, the NRA bitterly fought his reelection this year, treating him as if he were Michael Douglas’ character in “The American President.” In other words, Democrats are already paying the political price that comes with being the gun control party. So if they believe in it, why not just say it – and act on it?

The answer typically provided to this question is that there are a number of Democrats in Congress from states with large gun-owning populations – think Joe Manchin and Jon Tester – and that the party’s current posture makes it possible for them to win. But a better way of understanding the success of these Democrats is that it’s come in spite of the national party’s reputation. Democrats like Manchin and Tester are already winning over voters who believe national Democrats want to take their guns away; this challenge will be exactly the same if national Democrats actually do start pursuing gun control again.

There were a few notable Democratc voices on Friday demanding that the party recommit itself to tackling gun violence. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, a Long Island Democrat who entered politics in response to her husband’s death in the ’93 LIRR tragedy, said Friday that she will be pushing “full force” for new gun laws in Obama’s second term – and that she’s willing to “embarrass” the president if necessary.

McCarthy, it should be noted, was showcased by her national party when she first ran for Congress in 1996. Her story of turning her loss into a crusade for gun control was one with which Democrats very much wanted to be associated. As her congressional career progressed, McCarthy became lonely voice, on Capitol Hill and within the Democratic Party. But the spike in mass shootings has given her a new audience and an opportunity win new allies (and to win back old ones) – and to exert real pressure on Obama to get serious. We’ll know soon enough if Obama is really feeling the heat.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloodoftyrants; democrats; guncontrol; obama; shallnotbeinfringed; tyranny; waronliberty; youwillnotdisarmus
Obama didn't do anything to promote gun grabbing? How about Fast & Furious?
1 posted on 12/16/2012 1:54:58 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

might he now demand action?>>>>>>>>>>>>

You mean like demanding that every school have at least 5 teachers trained at arms, and having locked access to their firearm in the classroom?

Go for it Obama!


2 posted on 12/16/2012 1:58:58 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

Yes surm giid fir Clinton.

He really ended gun crime in NY, didn’t he.

In fact, there is no crime of any kind in NY, is there.


3 posted on 12/16/2012 2:06:32 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: neverdem

There are many of us parents here in Newtown who will vigorously oppose any new anti-gun legislation out of Hartford or Mordor.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 2:08:35 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: neverdem

Ban the willy nilly distribution of mood altering prescription drugs to children, ban liberals and put real men in school as authority figures.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 2:14:45 PM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: neverdem

Reinstitutionalize the insane who are preying upon the general population. Millions of people own guns. They do not commit these hideous crimes. It’s the crazies who have been let out at the behest of the looney social engineers who are to blame for these atrocities.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 2:22:20 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: neverdem

Clinton demanded action, and when he got it he turned around and granted the Chinese a special waver so they could import IIRC 150,000 SKS rifles which sold for under $50.

While the Chinese were shipping in these weapons they were also smuggling in full auto weapons for the gangs.


7 posted on 12/16/2012 2:28:46 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Candor7; old curmudgeon; DTogo; junta; txrefugee; IMR 4350; cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; ..
Bill Bennett, Former Education Secretary, Says Schools Should Consider Arming Employees (VIDEO)

Chuck Schumer: Left Must 'Admit There Is Second Amendment' (VIDEO)

Don't get your hopes up. Chuck U Schumer still wants a so called assault weapons ban and to ban high capacity magazines.

8 posted on 12/16/2012 2:43:30 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Would we be better off if these nut jobs used fire or bombs? What do these control freaks think that the nut job will just say, ok it’s too hard to get a gun so I just won’t kill.

These imbeciles need a reality check.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 2:50:38 PM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: neverdem
If the time ever comes, Chuck U Schumer will be the one passing out bread and jelly to get the other Jews on the train.
10 posted on 12/16/2012 2:52:56 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: neverdem

Fast and Furious..Obama smuggling weapons from Turkey to Syria and the weapons getting into the hands of Al Qaeda..Obama has more blood on his hands than any gang banger in Chicago


11 posted on 12/16/2012 2:53:06 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: neverdem; All

Right now, if you’re not already a member, go to the NRA site and sign up.


12 posted on 12/16/2012 2:59:05 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: neverdem

Salon Magazine opinions fit in well with the following.

China Calls for ‘No Delay’ on Gun Controls in U.S.
nytimes.com ^ | December 15, 2012 | MARK MCDONALD
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2969184/posts

Exploitation of Children: Gun-Toting Toddlers Establish Rebels’ “Children’s Brigade” in Syria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2969320/posts


13 posted on 12/16/2012 3:32:10 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: neverdem

President Obama should solve the problem by doing something about feminism and illegitimacy.


14 posted on 12/16/2012 3:35:33 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: neverdem

There is not a law that could be passed, that would have prevented this evil sick person from killing as many people as he chose to kill.
Maybe these morons at Salon are not aware that America has laws against murder and hundreds of gun control laws.
They failed to stop this evil sick person from killing all those people.


15 posted on 12/16/2012 3:51:26 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: IMR 4350

“If the time ever comes, Chuck U Schumer will be the one passing out bread and jelly to get the other Jews on the train.”

That’s a fact.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 3:57:47 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

17 posted on 12/16/2012 4:00:13 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: neverdem
How about discussing gun control after 0bama gives up the 24/7 Secret Service protection that he has surrounding him and his family?
18 posted on 12/16/2012 4:19:58 PM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: junta
Ban the willy nilly distribution of mood altering prescription drugs to children, ban liberals and put real men in school as authority figures.

From what I understand, there wasn't one single male authority figure at the school. That should say something right there.

When I was in school we feared the principal and the vice principal who were both males. They did not hesitate to bust your ass for getting out of line. Now days it's "counseling" by some dim wit.

19 posted on 12/16/2012 4:46:26 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: neverdem

In 1933 a fire at the German Reichstag was used as a pretense for Hitler to curtail civil liberties. Obama now has his Reichstag fire.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 5:18:53 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: neverdem
I think that instead of locking up guns we should be locking up the mentally disturbed.
21 posted on 12/16/2012 5:22:26 PM PST by momf
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To: neverdem

Salon -

Squeak! Squeak! Squeak!

Furthermore, squeak! And...squeak!


22 posted on 12/16/2012 5:25:27 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: old curmudgeon

You know, his Barackness and congress should just pass a law outlawing ALL crime and then, presto, all crime will cease to exist.


23 posted on 12/16/2012 5:27:57 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: old curmudgeon

You know, his Barackness and congress should just pass a law outlawing ALL crime and then, presto, all crime will cease to exist.


24 posted on 12/16/2012 5:27:57 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: familyop

I wonder how many of these mentally ill people, mostly male, suffer from Displaced Identity Syndrome. There is no such listed pyschiatric condition, as far as I know, but look at all of the pyschological assaults on the male pysche since feminism. And many of the mothers may have brought up their sons to be *sensitive* thinking that they were doing a good thing for them. Feminism is about *curing* what is wrong with males and never admitting that women can have any faults at all. Can you imagine anything more maddening for a boy, always being treated as if there is something wrong with his being a boy. By the way, I am a woman.


25 posted on 12/16/2012 5:37:59 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: neverdem
"It appears that the Connecticut killer used several weapons, at least one of which would be illegal if the assault weapons ban – which the Republican Congress refused to reauthorize in 2004 – were still in effect. "

Ummmmmm... If they mean the Bushmaster M-4gery, I'm not too sure. Connecticut HAS an assault weapons ban. As I read the Connecticut statute, "compliant" AR versions are legal; ones that have a limited number of "evil features". It looks pretty much the same as New Jersey's law, with certain rifles like the AR-15 and AK-47 banned by name, and a menu of limited "evil features" to chose from, except there is no restriction on magazine capacity. (We're limited to 15 rounds.) I'd think that as much as they pay their state employees, they could be more creative than just photocopying the NJ statute and using White Out on the magazine capacity limit.

26 posted on 12/16/2012 5:40:00 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: unixfox

Speaking of male authority figures, I remember hearing something about a study that was done of elephants. It seems that young male elephants who do not have grown male elephants around have more behavior problems than those that do.

Males are not supposed to be authority figures today. How many times have you heard women described aprovingly as being strong women but you don’t hear that approval for men being strong. Men were made by God to be the authority figures, that is just the way it is.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 5:48:54 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: The Great RJ

This incident is not a Reichstag fire moment.

I would expect a similar incident on the capitol to be a Rechstag fire moment. Several dead congresscritters, senators or SC justices. Something like that.

Don’t think for a moment that there isn’t some crazy SOB’s out there planning something like that. They are out there...Now the question of who controls these crazy bastards. The odds say that they would be democRAT party operatives.


28 posted on 12/16/2012 5:50:42 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


29 posted on 12/16/2012 9:16:22 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
The Democrats’ cowardice on guns traces back to the fateful election of 2000. Clinton, despite his aggressive pursuit of gun control measures, fared relatively well with rural gun-owning populations in his 1996 reelection campaign. But those same voters turned hard on Al Gore in ’00, shifting Kentucky, Missouri, West Virginia, Arkansas and Tennessee to the Republican column. A victory in any one of those states – all of which Clinton carried twice – would have made Gore president.

Hate to be off topic here, but the only reason clinton carried those states "twice" was because perot split the conservative vote..not because gun lovers tolerated the pathological liar..I mean except for Arkansas..

30 posted on 12/17/2012 7:26:22 AM PST by BerniesFriend (Sarah Palin-"Lord knows she's attractive" says bitter Andrea Mitchell and the rest of the MSM)
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To: IMR 4350
If the time ever comes, Chuck U Schumer will be the one passing out bread and jelly to get the other Jews on the train.

A lesson he learned from Soros.

31 posted on 12/17/2012 7:29:40 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

The entire left seems to believe that “never again” means “never again unless I’m one of the ones doing it”.


32 posted on 12/17/2012 7:53:30 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: neverdem

33 posted on 12/17/2012 9:18:25 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Candor7
You mean like demanding that every school have at least 5 teachers trained at arms, and having locked access to their firearm in the classroom?

I can't believe it but some wise law enforcement types are already suggesting exactly this! Too bad Congress won't listen.

After Colombine, I was still teaching in an inner city high school. We had a bunch of vets on staff besides me and the retired JROTC staff. A few were special forces with combat time. So we met after school one day and walked the whole school making up rally points and contingency plans. A few of them started bringing a gun to school but left it in their car trunk. I never did, didn't feel the need. But there were so many tight corners in that old school that it would have been possible to take out an unsuspecting and untrained perp even armed with a "field expedient" weapon. But we all basically agreed that it wasn't going to happen at that school. The cops at Colombine did the wrong thing. Back then, we vets agreed a "movement to contact" and a "hasty ambush" was the answer. I never felt so safe in my life after that. That was a really good crew of teachers. Many of them retired within five years, though. I stayed in the inner city for many more years only moving to a suburban middle school two years ago. Now I'm all alone.

I'm not sure how I feel about arming teachers -- SHEEP. The folks like me, former military and only combat arms? Sure, but they'd have to have lock boxes with instant open combinations (not keyed!). But the inner city high school would draw gang invasions by night just to get the guns! I'm talking MS13 here.

I think teachers in those high schools ought to ALL have tasers though. I have known too many assaulted on a daily basis. One math teacher got jumped after school while I was there and they broke his jaw in three places. My kids all asked me what I'd do if it happened to me, or if I was now scared to come to work. I replied thusly:

"Look, folks, I'm too young to die and too old to take an A$$ whuppin' so ..... I'm just gonna KILL ya'!"

They all replied that they figured I'd say something like that. LOL! I've never had any serious (life threatening) problems in the 24 years I've been a teacher. I keep my military bearing as a former infantry captain and that works well. Yeah, I got tried once or twice here and there and I guess my responses to those incidents sorta got around...

34 posted on 12/17/2012 12:32:27 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier

God bless you and thank you for your service.

But the inner city high school would draw gang invasions by night just to get the guns!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then take ‘em home at night.

Then our soldiers should become teachers, if teachers cannot discharge their “in loco parentis” duty of personally keeping their students safe, which BTW is the universal legal standard of each and every teacher in the nation.

I would feel much more comfortable having an armed soldier teaching my son or daughter than a freaky gurly man whose greatest skill is duck , run and CYA.

Then maybe the armed freaks and armed mentally ill will go to other no gun zones, like various blue state state legislatures where they might actually do some good.


35 posted on 12/17/2012 12:42:02 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7
God bless you and thank you for your service.

Thank you, your welcome ... and trust me, it was my extreme pleasure....

Then our soldiers should become teachers...

There is actually a very good government program for transitioning called Troops to Teachers but it's mostly for officers because all officers have to have a four year degree to get their commissions. But it's a really good program. Started during the Bush administration so that means OBOZO has probably already killed it....

a freaky gurly man whose greatest skill is duck , run and CYA.

Yup, you just described about 90% of the teaching profession. The rest are folks like me. ~sigh~ Can you imagine what I've been dealing with these last 24 years? I can't wait to retire in six years. If I live that long.

Or better yet: RAPTURE READY?

36 posted on 12/17/2012 1:25:10 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier

I can’t wait to retire in six years>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Watch your back, they may try to get rid of you like they did me, there were only 4 conservative teachers out of 107 at the privete high school where I taught in 2007.

I left early but I made em pay....20 G’s. I told my unqualified dept. head ( a political appointee)basically to go eff himself, I wasn’t changing my curriculum away from professional teaching goals in order to fit his personal liberal leftist politics.I won. Then I left.

On this issue, a large majority of conservatives are light years ahead of the uncivilized ideology which attempts to dictate that the basic human right of self defence must be delegated to government. Teachers have a personal duty to serve their contracts in loco parentis. Assure them the personal tools to protect their students, its their constitutional right to have that.

Every thing else is just dross. The liberal ideals of gun control and gun free zones have been proven faulty, arcane, and uncivilized. The result of that discivilization is spread all over the television networks who now attempt to demoralize the public under the camoflauge of “compassion”( How did it feel to have your son, little Johnny, shot in the head? How are you coping with that?)in order to sqeeze one more little bit of personal freedom of self defence out of them and into the dead zone.Television has grown into a morbid parent of a deqd kid watch, as if the networks are hanging around the parking lots of virtual funeral hiomes to broadcast demoralization and disempowerment propaganda ( psy ops)around America, in order to soften the public up for the gun removal debate.

What a laugh. This time there will be far fewer of us who play along.

Liberal gun control died with the vivid deaths of 20 x 1st graders in Connecticut. Count on it. Even the president’s dog “Bo” knows it, when he sees all of those armed SS body guards around, a benefit not afforded to the nations school children..


37 posted on 12/17/2012 2:54:32 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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