Posted on 12/17/2012 10:58:16 AM PST by ConservativeStatement
AMEN!
LLS
then if I can afford it, I should be able to buy it...
Which is why the US military won so quickly and easily in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, right?
Aaron Burger’s central thesis, “ Regrettably or not, we must concede that the conditions allowing for an armed revolution of the people have long since vanished.” is faulty.
But, Mr. Burger’s thoughts are typical of most of America’s Jews. If commies such as the odds Burger is, force a CW II, there will be no armed citizen v. Apache helicopter style war. it will be the endless shooting of Federal gubbament employees, and such other gubbament employees the public sees as worth killing.
No technical civilization can survive such attrition for long.
So the question you're really asking is whether the US government would remove the restraints on the military that were in place in those conflicts when they turn the military on its own USA citizens?
-PJ
The 2nd Amendment *affirms* an individual right to keep and bear Arms. The 2nd Amendment *affirms* each state having the right to keep and bear Arms.
The federal interest - its concern in the shape of the 2nd Amendment - is in regard to its expectation and need of the militia of each state, being well-regulated, so that they would be of better military use.
The expression, well regulated to Arms, means indivdiual discipline, unit discipline, respecting the lawful chain of command, having the proper and militarily-useful weapons, and several more considerations, all for the purpose of satisfying the state’s need and the federal government’s need *when called to duty.*
Currently, a lot of noise is made about this or that “militia,” when in fact, there is only one militia per state in the USA -— there *no other militia.* What the media refer to as “the militia” are *not* the militia, but rather, simply gun clubs.
The militia in each state, may be called up within the community of their base, within a county of which that community is but one, or by the officials of the state who have the authority to call up the militia, according to state laws.
All able-bodied citizens who are residents, can be called up, and in addition, are subject to military regulations whether or not called up.
Any such members of the militia in a state, may drill, prepare and train, but they have no authority to exercise maritial power without approval by a duly-elected representative body -— meaning, that the community council, or a county board of governors, or the state legislature have to authorize any use of force.
The matter of how an individual or a group of individuals would use any kind of weapon, firearm or not, for personal reasons such as hunting or personal defense, falls under the common law of the aforementioned jurisdictions. Within the common law, the individual’s 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear Arms is respected, but un-approved use of a weapon *can* be grounds for a jurisdiction to then limit that individual to specified keeping, bearing, and use of Arms.
These distinctions were issues and matters of militia law extant, long before the founding of the USA, and the history of militia laws going way back in time, and as recording in several books on the topic, which books were available for reference during the times in which the Founding Fathers were educated, are the foundation for militia law across the entire USA, its possessions and territories.
The type of firearms *do matter,* in the context of the mutual assistance expectations by the federal government and the states, where again, there is a need of uniformity and preparation, so that a call to duty results in a muster of not only able-bodied men, but ready-to-act and exercise martial power ... instead of having to spend a lot of time in *then* getting every body well trained to Arms.
For *that purpose,* the 2nd Amendment does indeed include an expectation that the able-bodied members of the militia *will keep and bear Arms.* The capital “A” in “Arms” *includes military weapons.*
Some may cheer at that, but there is an expectation that the keeping and bearing of Arms *will included duty,* being, the satisfying of both individual and unit discipline.
That means, that if you wish to keep and bear Arms that the state and federal government agree on, are military weapons, then *you* are required to fulfill your duties, including your part in the system of military training and discipline ... including, that you will not be careless about any such weapons in your charge.
The 2nd Amendment is not, therefore, some kind of a license for anybody to do whatever they please, and especially not with any weapons that, again, the state and federal government agree upon, as being classified, as a military weapon.
You *can* be required to store your military grade weapons in the community or county or state armory, leaving you with a personal sidearm and hunting rifle and shotgun.
The states each have the power to decide what you can keep with you and what must be stored in an armory. The states have *always* had this power.
According to the Declaration of Independence, governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. The Constitution states the terms under which we consent to be governed. If it no longer binds the government, it no longer binds us either. This leaves the government with nothing but raw force to impose its will. That's a game we can play as well as the government can.
Obviously EE no longer teaches logical problem-solving anymore. I wonder if they even have to solve problems for schoolwork or is it all just “training” to use a few computer tools to do the design for you.
“The Bushmaster AR-15 was found in the trunk of his car. The two handguns were the sole instruments used”
According to the Connecticut medical examiner the Bushmaster was the primary weapon.
Great quote!
Did you read of the new Army handbook that orders soldiers not to make fun of the Taliban, even as the Taliban take credit for a car bomb today in Kabul? Do you think the military would be equally sensitive to the culture of the American citizens whose homes they ransack in the search for assault weapons?
-PJ
First off, unless the entire military has done a 180 since I left, at least 2/3rds of the force would side with the citizenry over the government. Secondly, the first time any “confiscators” end up dead at the hands of the populace, many other agents of the government are going to think twice about following orders. Fallujah will look like a Sunday School picnic compared to even a small American town.
I guess the 4th amendment no longer applies since we have email now and phones instead of paper and pens.
The premise of the article was that the reasons for the 2nd amendment no longer apply because an armed citizenry as a check against a rogue tyrannical government would be an exercise in suicide today when one considers the nature of American military might.
What I added was the politicization of the use of the American military, to the point where we send them with one (or both) hands tied behind their backs because of the crazy ROE.
My hypothesis was to suggest that the ROE used domestically would be a lot looser than the ROE used in historic hot spots, because Obama cares less about the bitter clingers than he does for Middle Easterners.
I agree with you that the military would not stand for a domestic slaughter on a scale implied by door-to-door seizure of assault weapons across the United States. We saw how Ruby Ridge escalated into Waco. Nobody would tolerate the next step up in force.
I hope.
-PJ
Friend, I, as well as you will stand up and speak out against the government that seeks to imprison us. However, the government has bigger guns and more people with the big guns and air craft. They need only freeze every bank account, cut off all federal funds to retirees and such and you will find a nation on its knees. There is a time coming when all this will take place. It will take place in full bore after the Rapture of the Church. Count on it. Don’t think so, then I leave you to your devices. The only way to avoid that little 7 years of fun is to make sure you are in the Rapture. If you are not, then again, you are on your on. The scriptures that I have listed below talk about the Rapture. 1 Cor 15: 1-4 gives you the complete way to avoid all the coming tribulation.
Yes it is. The founders left many equally good and unambiguous quotes concerning our rights.
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