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School Shootings and SSRI Antidepressants
International Journal of Risk & Safety in Medicine ^ | 2004 | Peter R Breggin

Posted on 12/18/2012 10:33:31 AM PST by Dead Dog

The report [51] provided a clinical window into the development of obsessive violence and a school shooter mentality. A twelve-year-old boy on fluoxetine developed nightmares about becoming a school shooter and then began to lose track of reality concerning these events. This case occurred in a controlled clinical trial and the investigators did not know that the child was getting fluoxetine until they broke the double-blind code. The child’s reaction occurred long before any of the well-known school shootings had taken place. Therefore, his reaction was not inspired by the school shootings; it was not a “copycat”:

[51] R. King, M. Riddle, P. Chappell, M. Hardin, G. Anderson, P. Lombroso and L. Scahill, Emergence of self-destructive phenomena in children and adolescents during fluoxetine treatment, Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 30 (1991), 179–186.

(Excerpt) Read more at psychrights.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; shootings; ssri
All of the shooters have been on SSRIs. Odds are this one was aloso.

Why is this not driving public discourse?

See also www.ssristories.com and www.paxilprogress.org.

1 posted on 12/18/2012 10:33:39 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

I have a better question. Just who the f*** has “A twelve-year-old boy on fluoxetine” and WHY?

Never mind banning people who take these drugs from owning guns it is more like we should ban these drugs.

Even more a 12 year old has no business on these drugs in the first place.


2 posted on 12/18/2012 10:37:35 AM PST by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: Morgana

The article referenced was published in 1991.


3 posted on 12/18/2012 10:42:22 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Dead Dog

I’d love to know which Congress critters get wined and dined by Big Pharma. We have an appointment next month with a psychologist for a potential ADHD diagnosis. Meds are off the table as a treatment option. We took our son to a holistic practitioner last week and he determined my son has a dairy and egg allergy. In addition to removing that from his diet, he suggested giving him a supplement called Neuromax and another called Probenzym. Both are made by Frontier Nutrition. Holy cow! What a difference! I have my son back! The only reason we’re going thru with the psych appointment is for the IQ test.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 10:46:09 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Morgana

He wasn’t on fluoxetine or any other SSRI or SSNI, according to a relative. He was on an anti-psychotic drug. Probably would be a bad idea to start withholding anti-psychotic drugs from patients. The particular drug prescribed in this case would seem to have been a very poor choice (violent behavior as a side effect is frequent).


5 posted on 12/18/2012 10:46:43 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Paleo Conservative

It’s a nested reference. The journal article excerpted is 2003-2004, but the ref. study was 91. Which is a key point. The clinically recorded response predates the onset of these types of shootings.


6 posted on 12/18/2012 10:48:30 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
I was puzzled too by the lack of coverage here -- I could understand the MSM they need those pharmaceutical dollars plus are following the Rats' anti-Second Amendment script.

I posted a comment by saying that there is evidence of a connection.. just that there was evidence. One sentence.

So I get a reply suggesting that I "shut up . . . [what] you posted is ignorant balderdash."

Another subjected me to a virtual third degree demanding that I prove it -- prove what? I said that there was evidence and in fact there is evidence. I guess he was on some kind of schedule and I didn't answer quickly enough and the usual insults came.

Others on the thread did answer his questions and supplied the evidence.

7 posted on 12/18/2012 10:51:51 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: goodwithagun
I hope things work out but it might be a little early to jump to the conclusion that everything is going to be OK based a few days’ experience with the alternative stuff. Lots of behavioral patients feel better for a period of time after just about any change in the therapeutic milieu. It's a well-known effect. Just sayin’.
8 posted on 12/18/2012 10:56:25 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/aspergerssyndrome/DS00551/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs

It will be interesting to find out. He would be in a pretty exclusive class if not. SSRIs are used to treat Asbergers.


9 posted on 12/18/2012 10:57:37 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

But it isn’t the case that all Asperger’s and related cluster syndrome patients are on SSRIs (including this one).


10 posted on 12/18/2012 10:59:16 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

About 1 in 3 Americans are on them. Iirc. Many see them as a “godsend”. No doubt the can be very helpfully. What I’ve seen is that monitoring and adjustment needs to be constant, and too often is not.

The real fun starts when they stop use abruptly. Imagine 1 in 30 going neurotic after a natural disaster or other crisis induced shortage.


11 posted on 12/18/2012 11:06:28 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

bttt


12 posted on 12/18/2012 11:27:08 AM PST by The Californian (The door to the room of success swings on the hinges of opposition. Bob Jones, Sr.)
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To: goodwithagun

Please consider adding fermented foods to your son’s diet. Sauerkraut, Kefir, Kombucha tea.... it is endless. You will have wonderful success if you can do this.


13 posted on 12/18/2012 11:28:53 AM PST by The Californian (The door to the room of success swings on the hinges of opposition. Bob Jones, Sr.)
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To: All

This shooter was on Fanapt (iloperidone) according to one newspaper article....


14 posted on 12/18/2012 11:43:18 AM PST by CharlotteVRWC
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To: All

FANAPT Side effects

Psychiatric

(along with thoughts of suicide or hurting another)

Psychiatric side effects including restlessness, aggression, and delusion have been reported frequently. Hostility, decreased libido, paranoia, anorgasmia, confusional state, mania, catatonia, mood swings, panic attack, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bulimia nervosa, delirium, polydipsia psychogenic, impulse-control disorder, and major depression have been reported infrequently.


15 posted on 12/18/2012 11:59:17 AM PST by CharlotteVRWC
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To: Dead Dog
Just heard on news that no evidence of any psych meds or Rxs for the shooter were found in his mom's home...

I strongly support psych meds for persons with bipolar mania with psychotic features and other psychotic disorders...based on personal experience in multiple cases in the family. Usually a mood stabilizer and anti-psychotic are needed. In some cases also anti-anxiety and anti-OCD. In my family they are close to normal when properly medicated and heading for hospitalization as a danger to themselves and others when not on meds.

I have personally taken them or had the police take three of them to the locked ward on multiple occasions.

The problem comes when under the law over age 17 they can refuse meds at any time...or a med that worked for a long time stops working as often happens.

16 posted on 12/18/2012 12:35:03 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Dead Dog

As a prosecutor, I had the privilege of cross-examining Dr. Braggin...I mean Breggin, on a murder case where he testified as an expert witness. This was where a defendant bashed in the skull of a nice young lady and then stabbed her 55 times. According to defendant’s statement, the young lady was conscious, crying, and “breathing really hard” when he left her. Breggin is nothing but a paid whore for defense attorneys. His theories are extreme and not supported by mainstream science. Much to my satisfaction, the Court (and the Supreme Court of Indiana) did not chose to give weight to Dr. Breggin’s testimony and the defendant is still serving his 65 year sentence for murder. If Peter Breggin is involved in a criminal case, particularly a brutal murder, it is only to get a verdict of Not Responsible By Reason of Insanity.

By the way, there is no evidence that Lanza was taking SSRI’s or any other psychotropic medication.


17 posted on 12/18/2012 1:43:02 PM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Dead Dog

I was on Celexa for years in order to cope with depression. Last summer, I got off it cold turkey. Until the events of last Friday, I was not depressed since I stopped taking the medication. Now what I feel is a dangerous mixture of grief and rage.....


18 posted on 12/18/2012 1:56:26 PM PST by DickBrannigan (When did logic become reversed, and right became wrong, and wrong became right?)
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To: DickBrannigan

Please seek competent medical help ASAP. Use a help hotline if necessary. Have a trusted friend drive you over to the local ER. Best of luck!


19 posted on 12/18/2012 2:56:20 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: henkster

Dr. Breggin was only the author of the excerpt the source study,ref provided, is the info of interest. I have no doubt what you say regarding Breggin is true, he is a prof. Expert after all.

Evil is a choice, SSRIs have a history of facilitating that choice. I would say the only evidence we have is the cold blooded murder of 20 kids... His methodology is consistent with other SSRI using murderers. As was your deferents behavior.... Btw, thank you for the work you do...we don’t need that on the streets insane or not


20 posted on 12/18/2012 3:43:29 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: DickBrannigan

I think we all are feeling that mix, it’s the impulse to react in kind that has to be controlled.

How was cutting off celexa cold turkey? I know one person that went through hell doing that. This stuff is an emotional lombodimy. She felt it was a door that let evil in, a door her mind normally guarded.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 3:49:56 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: goodwithagun; neverdem; Monkey Face
We have an appointment next month with a psychologist for a potential ADHD diagnosis. Meds are off the table as a treatment option. We took our son to a holistic practitioner last week and he determined my son has a dairy and egg allergy. In addition to removing that from his diet, he suggested giving him a supplement called Neuromax and another called Probenzym. Both are made by Frontier Nutrition. Holy cow! What a difference! I have my son back!

In a week? Really?
How long before this was he suffering these symptoms?

Probiozym (this is the same medicine you are referring to?) is prescribed where protein intolerance and disrupted gut flora are involved, and NEUROMAX is prescribed for the treatment and prevention of deficiency of vitamins B.
http://www.life-care-products.com/probiozym/in-depth-article
http://www.vitabalans.com/index.php?id=649

At the first link, for Probiozym, there is reference to treating:
Autism
ADHD
Inflammatory intestinal disorders
Irritable bowel syndrome
Fibromyalgia
Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS)
Reestablisment of the gut flora following antibiotic treatment

Amazing if true.

Btw, good luck with the IQ test. I bet your boy is smart!

22 posted on 12/18/2012 4:26:28 PM PST by fanfan ("If Muslim kids were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war.")
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To: The Californian; goodwithagun; Silentgypsy
Please consider adding fermented foods to your son’s diet. Sauerkraut, Kefir, Kombucha tea.... it is endless. You will have wonderful success if you can do this.

How do you deal with the high acid contents of fermented foods? Just thinking about sauerkraut give me a poor stomach.

23 posted on 12/18/2012 4:34:39 PM PST by fanfan ("If Muslim kids were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war.")
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To: fanfan

We certainly do! I’m making real sourdough bread and he loves sauerkraut. I’m thinking of making my own kraut too. We grow much of our produce and a bumper crop of cabbage is in the works.


24 posted on 12/18/2012 5:06:07 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: fanfan; The Californian

Sorry! Post #24 was for Cali!


25 posted on 12/18/2012 5:15:55 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: fanfan

I saw the first results that night. My 16 month old daughter took my son’s empty sippy cup, held it by the straw, and then swung it around until the cup flew off. It’s one of her favorite games. I told the kids it was time to go up stairs and go to bed. My son asked where his straw was and I told him that I did not know. At this point, he would have had an inconsolable meltdown. There are no spankings, timeouts, serious talkings to, non-aknowlegements of behavior, or favorite toy denial that can cure these meltdowns. For hours after the meltdowns, he has “flashbacks” which cause mini meltdowns. For example, if my son had had a meltdown about the straw, he would have laid in bed and every so often I would hear in the living room, “Do you know where my straw is?” followed by light sobs. Instead of any of this my son said, “Can I have an orange straw tomorrow?” I had to blink back tears. He has also suddenly started
talking in complete sentences. He did not do that this time last week. I’m actually fighting back tears as I post this because I’m thinking of his first Christmas program last night. He may have jumped in place and twisted from side-to-side, but gosh darn it he was one of few (and the only one in his age group) that had his lines memorized! “There in the stable / On clean hay / Was a place to rest / So glad were they.”


26 posted on 12/18/2012 5:55:53 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Dead Dog

After two days of not taking Celexa, I was experiencing “short circuits” in my brain about a dozen times a day; picture a TV that is rapidly unplugged then plugged back in. These “shocks” continued for about a month. Now, even the hand tremors I had developed are gone. I can experience a broader range of emotions. I regret having been encouraged to take them by my “mental health” worker.


27 posted on 12/19/2012 6:59:32 AM PST by DickBrannigan (When did logic become reversed, and right became wrong, and wrong became right?)
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To: DickBrannigan

That sounds familiar. Plus the seemingly dual personality that would show up every few hours. The “New” person was meaner than hell sedisttic even, with no emotional bond with there kids. Scary stuff.

But, when you consult a healthcare professional they mindlessly assume it is the “underlying condition”. Which promps more drugs and a paper trail. The underlying condition was insomnia..... Not bat crap nutty.

1 in 3 are reportedly on these... Imagine how it affects there vote.


28 posted on 12/19/2012 7:30:27 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: DickBrannigan

The medicine is there to be used if needed. There is no shame in trying to correct problems with the tools at hand. I know.

:-)


29 posted on 12/19/2012 4:23:27 PM PST by fanfan ("If Muslim kids were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war.")
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To: goodwithagun

Wow that’s wonderful, goodwithagun.
I can just imagine how heartening that change would be for all of you.
I’m going to look into this further because of your post.
Thank you very much, and a Very Merry Christmas to you and your family.


30 posted on 12/19/2012 4:53:49 PM PST by fanfan ("If Muslim kids were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war.")
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