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Officials Defend Decision to Name School After Murderer
Fox News ^ | 12/17/2012

Posted on 12/18/2012 3:19:18 PM PST by Altura Ct.

A California school district is defending its decision to name a new elementary school after an infamous murderer – by calling him a hero and a role model to children. The decision has infuriated many parents and law enforcement officers.

The Alisal Union School District in Salinas agreed to name the new school in honor of Tiburcio Vasquez – who was eventually hanged for killing at least two people in the nineteenth century.

Superintendent John Ramirez defended the board’s decision telling Fox News that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

“Tiburcio Vasquez, along with others, was an individual who was a revolutionary,” Ramierz said. “He was not okay with the oppression.”

Vasquez “was probably the most notorious bandit California ever saw,” according to the University of Southern California library. He was 14-years-old when he committed his first crime – stabbing a constable.

In 1875 Vasquez was convicted of two murders and subsequently hanged. Other historical records indicate he may have killed as many as six people – including a law enforcement officer.

“He took from the rich and gave to the poor,” Francisco Estrada told KION. “He was your inspiration of Zorro.”

Estrada sat on the naming committee for the new elementary school and said the convicted murderer was a good man who should be a model to the youth of East Salinas.

He said Vasquez was simply misunderstood.

“Mr. Vasquez, number one, was not a murderer,” he told the television station. “He was framed by the system at that time.”

“The history was written by mainstream whites,” he said. “It wasn’t written by Californians or people of Mexican descent. When do we have our history written by us? When do we stop having our heroes branded as villains?”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: mexifornia
Ramirez said to truly understand Vasquez’s place in history – it’s important to consult with Chicano historians.

Ain't diversity grand?!

1 posted on 12/18/2012 3:19:23 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

Did he use guns to kill people? If so, it probably didn’t have high cap mags, so it’s okay.


2 posted on 12/18/2012 3:24:51 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Mexicans should stop and think about why they prefer to name their schools after murduring thugs.


3 posted on 12/18/2012 3:25:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Altura Ct.

Vasquez Rocks!


4 posted on 12/18/2012 3:31:20 PM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Altura Ct.

does anything that happens in that banana Republic without bananas surprise anyone??


5 posted on 12/18/2012 3:31:49 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Altura Ct.

I can’t remember the last time(in the last few years) I heard about a school or Navy Ship being named after someone who WASN’T a “Revolutionary” (Read: Thug)


6 posted on 12/18/2012 3:33:25 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: Altura Ct.

He took from the rich and gave to the poor?

Wow. Just like Soros and Buffett, but their money wasn’t offshore.


7 posted on 12/18/2012 3:34:42 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Altura Ct.

This is insanity - the man was a clod blooded killer.


8 posted on 12/18/2012 3:36:56 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Altura Ct.
I think that, much like with Mumia Abu Jamal - they claim he is ‘innocent’ while celebrating him as a ‘revolutionary’.

It is either one or the other - either he is a revolutionary who killed people - or he was ‘framed’ and innocent of the killings - and therefore not much of a revolutionary.

Sort of like how the Arab world celebrates Hitler with one breath, while denying the Holocaust with the other. So why do they like Hitler?

9 posted on 12/18/2012 3:37:05 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Altura Ct.

I seem to remember a “Wagon Train” episode in which the characters meet up with this Vasquez bandito. I think there’s an old movie or two out there as well. Presented as a sort of romanticized good/bad guy, like Jesse James often was. I always figured in actual history, both were very likely real rotters.


10 posted on 12/18/2012 3:41:13 PM PST by greene66
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To: Altura Ct.
Superintendent John Ramirez defended the board’s decision telling Fox News that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

Okay, why not name the school after Osama bin Laden then?

11 posted on 12/18/2012 3:48:20 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: Altura Ct.

Yep. Quite a role model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiburcio_V%C3%A1squez

Allegedly, Vásquez seduced and impregnated his own niece. Either the girl’s family or Greek George’s wife’s family betrayed Vásquez to Los Angeles Sheriff William R. Rowland. Rowland sent a posse to the ranch and captured Vásquez on May 14, 1874. Greek George’s adobe was situated near the present day Melrose Place in West Hollywood. This was coincidentally very close to where the movie industry would, in a few decades, set up shop.[14]


12 posted on 12/18/2012 3:53:19 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Reopen the mental institutions! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: muawiyah

What next! A school named after Joaquin Murrieta?

Maybe then one named after Juan Corona!


13 posted on 12/18/2012 3:56:32 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Reopen the mental institutions! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: greene66

Just like Bonnie and Clyde. They had a cult following but were out and out scumbags.


14 posted on 12/18/2012 3:57:05 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Well, at least they didnt call it Che Guevarra Elementary........


15 posted on 12/18/2012 3:58:56 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Altura Ct.
We can look at it this way. If you're driving through an unfamiliar area and come across a school, street, community center, etc. named for any of these nefarious characters, then you'll know to GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!!!
16 posted on 12/18/2012 4:04:14 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Altura Ct.

One can watch the local newscasts for only a few mornings or evenings to conclude that a bandit and murderer is apparently already the “role model” for most of the youth in any part of Salinas.


17 posted on 12/18/2012 4:04:59 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: GeronL

Why is it considered okay to steal from the rich?
Stealing is theft, regardless of their wealth.

If I go to a high class neighborhood and steal their stuff I cant claim that I am an innocent hero because I want to give the stuff to the poor. No lawyer on earth, even a liberal one, would dare make such a claim in a court of law.

As for the claim that he was the inspiration for Zorro, that is just plain stupidity.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorro


18 posted on 12/18/2012 4:10:39 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Altura Ct.

“The history was written by mainstream whites,” he said.”

!Los gueros diablos Hombres keepin’ em down!
Let’s re-name every town in America `Chicago’ and every state ‘California.’
Then we all can become Eloi, at least until the Morlocks slaughter us all.


19 posted on 12/18/2012 4:14:32 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives. "A long train of abuses and usurpations.")
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To: Impala64ssa

Bonnie and Clyde High LOL

Charlie Manson University

KKK Trade School

This is all too much but typical of the changing mental and cultural attitudes here in what once was a great state. Salinas, Watsonville, Gilroy (one murder per day), Greenfield and more are sliding into one big Tijuana. Viva Zappata!


20 posted on 12/18/2012 4:14:44 PM PST by tweakDU (Romney Ryan 2012 Vote!)
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To: Altura Ct.

Why those Hispanics.....they are just natural republicans. The GOPe says so. We even got 30% of their vote/s


21 posted on 12/18/2012 4:15:55 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: Altura Ct.
Where is the next school... to be named for Charles Manson?

He was an individual who was also a "revolutionary". Rumor has it he was not OK with the prevailing system "oppression", either!

22 posted on 12/18/2012 4:16:41 PM PST by Gritty (If any of the Western world is to survive, it has to find a way to turn around, to go back-Mk Steyn)
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To: Red Badger

“Well, at least they didnt call it Che Guevarra Elementary . ....”

Be patient. That will happen. It takes time for the stars to become aligned such that the Heroes of the Left may be accorded the honors they so richly earned./sarc/, mebbe.


23 posted on 12/18/2012 4:16:49 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: Red Badger

leftists and others make a lot of stupid claims


24 posted on 12/18/2012 4:20:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Like Hillary being named for Sir Edmund, and Liawatha......


25 posted on 12/18/2012 4:23:00 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Altura Ct.

I remember in Charles County Marylkand when a new school was to be named Raphael Semmes.
Raphael Semmes was the Captain of the Confederate ship Alabama, and was hugely successful in his fight against the North. His ship was sunk under him and he returned to the south to be made an Admiral of what was left of the Confederate Navy.

The screams and cries from the left were awesome enough to remove Semmes name from that school.


26 posted on 12/18/2012 4:26:21 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

WTF ping


27 posted on 12/18/2012 4:26:51 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Altura Ct.
Superintendent John Ramirez defended the board’s decision telling Fox News that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

He means like Timothy McVeigh.
Maybe Ramirez will rename a school, "Timothy McVeigh Elementary", just to show how "diverse" he is.

What a scumbag.

28 posted on 12/18/2012 4:35:32 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Red Badger

bump


29 posted on 12/18/2012 4:41:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Red Badger

I bet Mr Superintendent makes a pretty penny. I wonder if he considers himself rich enough to be robbed? He shouldn’t bother calling the cops if he gets mugged since he doesn’t think it’s a crime.


30 posted on 12/18/2012 4:43:02 PM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: tumblindice
“The history was written by mainstream whites,” he said.”

Why not? The Mexicans could not read or write, a condition still common amongst them.

31 posted on 12/18/2012 5:23:03 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Altura Ct.

Next they’ll be naming things after Harvey Milk!


32 posted on 12/18/2012 5:35:37 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Altura Ct.
It is not true that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Terrorism refers to a method. Freedom fighter refers to a goal. It's important not to confuse methods with goals; means with ends.
33 posted on 12/18/2012 5:39:34 PM PST by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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