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Russian lawmakers pass ban on U.S. adoption [On Every Level, Obama-Hillary "Reset" is a FAILURE]
CNN ^ | December 21, 2012 | CNN STAFF

Posted on 12/21/2012 6:01:47 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

Lawmakers in Moscow moved to ban Americans from adopting Russian children Friday, as they passed a bill that imposes a series of sanctions on U.S. interests, state media reported.

Russia is one of the top sources of international adoptions to the United States.

The State Duma, Russia's lower house of parliament, adopted the bill on its third reading, the state-run RAPSI news agency reported.

The measure will now move to the Federation Council and, if approved there, will go to President Vladimir Putin to be signed into law, the news agency said.

The legislation could affect hundreds of American families seeking to adopt Russian children.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: adoption; children; hillary; obama
How much more of an EPIC fail could Obama and Hillary's policy be?

The answer is NONE.

1 posted on 12/21/2012 6:01:59 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

I remember how Dubya was MOCKED by liberals for his remarks on Putin.

Obama and Hillary have been more disastrous regarding Russia than Bush. And the media? Silent.


2 posted on 12/21/2012 6:05:51 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
From everyone wants to come to America .. to .. governments preventing anyone going to America.

Belgium, Australia, Canada, China, India .. all ok ... but America?

nyet, moi groog

3 posted on 12/21/2012 6:06:00 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Probably for the best. Many of those potential adoptees have proven themselves sociopathic.


4 posted on 12/21/2012 6:08:12 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This condemns thousands of children to a twilight existence in Russian institutions that are reminiscent of US mental hospitals of the 1950, then being turned out in a cold society that shuns them as 2d or 3rd class persons or worse.

This is a victory for no one. Putin is a cold man.


5 posted on 12/21/2012 6:11:37 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Considering how dire Russia’s situation is when it comes to demographics, I don’t see why one would criticize Putin for this. Russia is becoming like Japan. They are not having children. Now, I don’t understand why these children are not being adopted by Russians, unless what someone else said is true that many of them have severe emotional problems.

Still, why should we expect another country to give us their kids?


6 posted on 12/21/2012 6:11:55 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Jonty30

yeah?

Give us a number.


7 posted on 12/21/2012 6:12:45 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Adoption is not generally accepted in Russia

The children in institutions are regarded as offspring of undesirables, usually alcohlics or drug abusers or mentally ill parents, or illegtimate and not accepted by the birth mother’s family or cnat be raised by a sinlgle woman given the lack of support in Russian society and economy.

The longer the kids spend in institutions the more they deteriorate. Kids who have notable imperfections, even missing limbs, are consigned to “Imbecile Asylums”

God help any of mixed race.

I’ve adopted 2 and been in many orphanages in one region and seen for myself


8 posted on 12/21/2012 6:18:36 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Many times these adoptions are corrupt and it is actually trafficking children. Esp, in Russia.

Everyone knows about it- and American churches even look the other way.

This news actually makes me have some respect for Russia. They might be protecting their citizens from Americans coming and preying on them, and supporting and encouraging human trafficking and child laundering in their country.

I have witness some very weird stuff with foreign adoptions, thru mega churches lately- (which new age pastor Rick Warren encourages, btw)

There is a huge amount of money that changes hands to adopt foreign children.

I know someone who needed upwards of $50,000 to adopt from the Ukraine in the last 6 months. Look up the stories. Google is full of blogs and stories on the corruption.

http://www.hcch.net/upload/wop/adop2010id02e.pdf


9 posted on 12/21/2012 6:20:09 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Pining_4_TX
Considering how dire Russia’s situation is when it comes to demographics....

Yup, an honest (or one not so lazy) media would cover this story from this angle.

10 posted on 12/21/2012 6:21:00 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: silverleaf

That’s very sad. Then the country will reap what it has sown.


11 posted on 12/21/2012 6:23:02 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: knarf

> nyet, moi groog

I think you mean, “droog”, which means “friend”.

We have adopted Russian children, among others.

Russia’s indigenous population is plummeting. They’re down to less than 150 million, and falling. They need to stop the hemorrhaging of their population base. They even have started to offer extra benefits for families that have more than a certain number of children.

The US is one of the few countries with enough people having enough capital to adopt thousands of Russian children every year. The other countries do not adopt nearly as many Russian children as the US, so they pose no real threat to the population of Russia.

There were also a couple of very high profile cases of abuse of adopted Russian children by American parents. This outraged the Russian people, and rightly so.

Russian orphans have a high rate of suicide and many turn to drugs, organized crime and prostitution after leaving the orphanage. Nevertheless, Russians are not thrilled about foreigners taking Russian children out of Russia for any reason. One Russian said to me, “Better a Russian orphan than an American.”

Russia last year passed a law that forbids adoption by homosexuals or single parents, to the great consternation of the “international community”.

As an aside, I asked one Russian where all the orphans come from. He said some parents cannot afford to take care of them, but many come from prostitution. I asked why the prostitutes did not take advantage of the free, State-sponsored abortions. He bristled and replied, “There are some things even a WHORE would not do!” thus establishing my perception that American politicians, as a whole, have a lower moral standard than the average Russian streetwalker.


12 posted on 12/21/2012 6:24:27 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Truth2012

sad sad sad disinformation

when we adopted our kids from Russia we met many kind Russians, social workers, doctors, orphanage directors, even the judge, who were grateful to us for givng 2 kids a chance to have a family and good life

if Putin is really concerned about these kids maybe he will bump up the funding for the orphanages or greatly widen the foster system so they can feed, treat and educate these kids to have a chance at a real life in Russian society, instead of the likely life many face - permanent outcasts, addiction and prostitution


13 posted on 12/21/2012 6:28:15 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Westbrook
Yes, I meant droog ... It's a phrase I heard from my high school English teacher who was learning Russian back in .... '62 or 3.

Thanx .. I appreciate your information.

The beauty of FreeRepublic is the availability of information we can add upon itself and get a more rounded and factual concept of the reality of life, people and the world ...

oh yeah ... politicians too.

14 posted on 12/21/2012 6:32:50 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Better a Russian orphan than an American”

Typical Russian bluster
Big talk from a politician who never lived like this nor his own kids

“The Children of Leningradsky”
There are 3 parts to this documentary, watch all if you dare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coa69Ndae_U


15 posted on 12/21/2012 6:41:03 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Westbrook

I agreed with everything you wrote until the last claim that Russians have a moral revulsion against abortions. Not true. Abortion was widespread throughout the Soviet era in Russia and continues to be very prevalent today. This has contributed to the infertility and demographic problem there.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2012/12/20/russias-demographic-emergency/


16 posted on 12/21/2012 7:09:40 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: silverleaf

No, it is the truth. Children are stolen and sold, many times. Sometimes the parents are paid, and told to sign off their rights, so that they can all have a better life.

Of course the people are very nice and helpful, if they are getting paid a whole bunch of money, they would be very kind and helpful. Some of them might believe they are doing the right thing to get the child into a country that has wealth, of course- but that does not mean the child is not being sold.

I hope and pray that your adopted child was legit, some of them are of course. The truth is that many of them have been stolen and manipulated from their families for money.

It could be that foreign countries are cracking down on human trafficking. I hope they are.


17 posted on 12/21/2012 7:35:32 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: silverleaf
The solution to the problems of any nation's orphans should be the responsibility of the people of that nation. No, this is not a "victory." It is a step in taking responsibility for one's own.

What the "internationalization" of local social problems amounts to is a defeat for the very concept of the nation, as it has been understood in more responsible ages. It is tantamount to a defeat for the concepts of individual, social, community, ethnic & national responsibility.

While conditions in orphanages may be deplorable; placing children in culturally & genetically incompatible situations can be even more deplorable. The idea that you are doing good in taking the risk, needs to be carefully evaluated. While Orson Wells was not really addressing this point in "Citizen Kane," the movie brilliantly challenged the notion that the most important thing for a developing child is to maximize his material well-being. There are a great many other considerations, to be focused on. Being raised among those closest to you, is obviously one of them.

William Flax

18 posted on 12/21/2012 7:45:11 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: riverdawg
I believe that Russia is turning back towards traditional Faith, and that the wide-spread acceptance of abortion as moral is declining. You can not expect all aspects of a 70+ year old regime to disappear completely, over-night.

Russians are at least looking back to their heritage for a renewed sense of purpose; even as we have reelected a man who has absolutely no real American roots; a man who sat in the pews for 20 years, while America was "damned!" A demagogue is seems intent on steering us in the direction from which Russia has been retreating!

William Flax

19 posted on 12/21/2012 7:52:32 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: knarf

The United States is becoming a third world country.

Listen to liberal elites speaking with glee about us becoming a ‘brown’ country - where we’re all servants to the elites... like it is in most ‘brown’ countries... Then watch liberal elites joyfully celebrating the country going broke - and the middle class disappearing...

Putin’s made the right call . this is no place to raise a family.


20 posted on 12/21/2012 8:02:59 AM PST by GOPJ (Detroit should be renamed 'Michael Mooresville'...)
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To: riverdawg

> I agreed with everything you wrote until the last claim
> that Russians have a moral revulsion against abortions.
> Not true.

I do know that in some Russian medical schools, physicians are required to perform an abortion in order to complete their studies.

I was repeating one Russian’s opinion. He is Russian Orthodox.

However, I maintain that American politicians as a whole have a lower moral standard than the average Russian street whore.


21 posted on 12/21/2012 8:28:17 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Truth2012

Join FRUA and meet the thousands of families who have adopted, hear the real stories. You are wildly generalizing and spewing misinformation. I suppose you can do the same abou any adoptions, such as those here in the US

Countries that do illegal adoptions such as Guatemala, Rumania and Cambodia have been closed to US adoptions by US authorities

BTW, I truly doubt that you are praying for my kids, you remind me of those busybodies who walked up to my friend with her Chinese child and asked how much they paid for her

buh bye


22 posted on 12/21/2012 8:33:59 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Jonty30
Probably for the best. Many of those potential adoptees have proven themselves sociopathic.

Ain't that the truth! I remember the story about one Russian boy who tried to burn down his adoptive parents' home.

Why anyone would want to adopt from a population of kids who may not be psychologically stable is beyond me. I also don't understand is why anyone would want to adopt anyone and incur all those huge financial costs.

23 posted on 12/21/2012 9:14:45 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: silverleaf

Sometimes the truth hurts. I don’t mean you any ill will, yet you are very offended. That is about you- not me.

By the way- If your children know God and you are raising them in a Christian home, it won’t make or break the deal whether I pray for them or not (thought I mean them no ill will either) , so I am not sure what that statement about me praying for your children is about.

The foreign adoption business is corrupt in many places, people who are looking to adopt should care about that, because they would not want to be a part of that system.

However, some Americans have a savior complex, and throw a lot of money around and help create corrupt systems for other countries to deal with.

Some adoptions are God sent- of course. Adoption is not the problem, greed and selfishness are the problems.

Russia has been sending warning signs for a while now, that they do not want Americans coming over there and doing business with the corrupt systems..that they have to police and rectify.

If you don’t know about the wild corruption, with all the experience you say you have, then you are just trying to be ignorant of it.

Makes sense to me and rest comfortably with the experiences I have seen.


24 posted on 12/21/2012 10:00:54 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: SoFloFreeper

The bill is complete garbage. They’re throwing away the kids they don’t abort. Americans, the most hated people on Earth, beside Jews, are making something out of these people they consider worthless. It’s embarrassing, proves the superiority of our value system, so they want to stop it.

You’re right though, this could only happen under weak American leadership.


25 posted on 12/21/2012 10:03:30 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

This has nothing to do with demographics, and everything to do with revenge. We have Russian kids in our family who were not adopted, rescued from Russia where they were raped, neglected, and otherwise abused. After my sister paid the judge off with the obligatory American liquor and American cash they demand, he asked my sister, “You have plenty of children. Why do you want these broken children?”

Putin is a bad man. The orphans there are treated worse than what they would be if adopted. Russia has a 50+% abortion rate, what makes you think they give a rip about a few “broken” orphans?


26 posted on 12/21/2012 10:14:31 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Truth2012

The 50,000 needed to adopt kids is a testament to corruption in Russia, not to some nefarious plot of “mega-churches.” “Preying on them.” If every child in Russia was adopted by lesbian pedophiles, it wouldn’t be much worse than what many Russians do to their own children, let alone orphans. However, a huge majority of Russians are adopted by VERY generous people. They need to be, considering how messed up these kids are.

I’m thankful my nieces made it to America. Many other kids will now suffer from that KGB thug’s temper tantrum.


27 posted on 12/21/2012 10:24:12 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: 11th Commandment

If they did, it’d be another dose of leftist misinformation, because demographics has nothing to do with it. Spite has everything to do with it.


28 posted on 12/21/2012 10:25:41 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Westbrook

Except Russians do commit infanticide at a rate much higher than Americans. 73 per 100 births. I guess they don’t have enough women having the moral stature of a whore.


29 posted on 12/21/2012 10:30:19 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Ohioan

LOL. You have no idea what you’re talking about. The orphans in Russia are treated worse than we treat our prisoners. It’s not about giving them x-boxes.


30 posted on 12/21/2012 10:34:12 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: OldPossum

I guess that means you probably shouldn’t adopted any of those kids. I’m glad there are people who don’t think like you do. I don’t think Putin, or any of those pols in Russian plan on adopting any of those kids either, nor will they do doing anything to make their lives better. They all think like you do. To the rest of the families who are going through great sacrifice to help an orphan in Russia, “Tough luck. We’d rather hide our trash in institutions rather than see our values discredited.”


31 posted on 12/21/2012 10:41:04 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Truth2012

You’re talking complete garbage. Are you one of those Freepers who hop on Puties jock every time he says something derogatory about 0, then silent when he sales missals to Iran?


32 posted on 12/21/2012 10:44:00 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Truth2012

I didnt read about the children you adopted?

Surely someone with your sense of morality and concern has adopted. All the huff and puff doesnt make the world a better place. Walking the walk makes the world a better place. aka know as “the saviour complex”?

Or maybe you sponsor some children in their home orphanages, as we also do?

Enlighten us.

The fact that you have no creds (prove me wrong) but seek to presume and lecture people who adopt is offensive


33 posted on 12/21/2012 10:44:58 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: demshateGod

Do a little more research. The system is corrupt, children are stolen and manipulated from their parents- many of them are adopted out to US because they suffer fetal alcohol syndrome. For whatever reason Obama signs something putting pressure on the corrupt system, in the name of Human rights.. Putin responds by closing Americans out, and making the rightful point that Americans have no place to talk about HIS corrupt system- when we are also corrupt (and he is actually right- because our non-profits and churches DO know the adoptions are not always ethical, but they are all making bunches of money).

They are both corrupt politicians - and they both know they system is hugely corrupt.

It really is a human trafficking problem.. and it really is a Human Rights problem- but these two politicians are playing games with each other, in a power play.

The people at various local government levels and the citizens have legit concerns.

It is bizarre twist- the two power players are actually diffusing a corrupt system.

Go figure- but God moves in mysterious ways.


34 posted on 12/21/2012 11:04:55 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

I don’t know why it bothers me so much when people are wrong, but think they’re so right. It’s probably an issue with pride. US adoption of Russian kids is not defined by corruptions and not covertly or overtly an act of human trafficking. It’s a huge blessing to many people.

My sister lived it, I watched the whole process. I didn’t just read some article or except the propaganda of some Russophile.


35 posted on 12/21/2012 11:14:24 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Ohioan

“While conditions in orphanages may be deplorable; placing children in culturally & genetically incompatible situations can be even more deplorable.”

I have personally seen otherwise. My brother-in-law’s brother adapted a 4-year-old girl from a horrible orphanage in Rumania. She had been isolated there, was socially withdrawn, and could barely speak. For years, she seemed “diferent”. Today she is grown up and serving overseas in the US military! She is also a Bible-carrying, gun-fanatic Conservative and possibly more gung-ho American than her adaptive family.


36 posted on 12/21/2012 1:20:23 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Jonty30

Not from what I’ve seen first hand. Friends have an adopted child from there and he is an incredible kid. Now 7 years old and awesome in every way. His parents have rubbed off on him very well.


37 posted on 12/21/2012 1:23:30 PM PST by oust the louse (Obamacare has morphed into a tax on staying alive.)
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To: oust the louse

It depends on how old the child is, when they are adopted. The ones Russia is offloading, who are psychopathic, have sat in orphanages, with little human contact, right up until they get adopted. A child is in most need of human contact up until about 18 months. If they don’t get that, it messes them up good.

It’s not a deficiency of the Russian character, because anybody denied the human touch, for long periods, tends to, be surly.


38 posted on 12/21/2012 1:39:47 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: demshateGod

I don’t think he cares, but I do think he wants to hold onto as much of the Russian population as he can. Doesn’t make much sense, but then, I think Putin is a little loony.


39 posted on 12/27/2012 8:26:14 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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