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A 'what if' gun-seizure scenario
WND ^ | December 20, 2012 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 12/21/2012 7:18:13 AM PST by Perseverando

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To: Hoodat

You can’t use .40 S and W in the 10 mm Glock Model 20. And you can’t reconfigure the Model 20 to use .40 because neither the factory nor anyone else makes .40 S and W chambered barrels nor magazines of the proper dimensions to convert the Model 20. Get the proper ammo if you can; otherwise, one other option is to reload. There is a third option; you can buy a complete upper end (assembled slide, barrel) and magazines to convert the Model 20 to the Model 21 and shoot the more available .45 Auto round.


101 posted on 12/21/2012 12:49:54 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
I would prefer using 10-mm ammo. I'm just not sure what kind to get. Do I go with heavier grain or lighter grain? Does any particular manufacturer brand have an advantage over others? I found some online, so I am trying to make a decision before placing an order.

I suppose I am also in the market for purchasing a new firearm for my wife. Any suggestions?

102 posted on 12/21/2012 1:25:14 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: BlueLancer
Which, I guess, means that, in the end, I need to possess enough "non-military" caliber ammunition to ensure that I can acquire a military weapon from an adversary who no longer has any need for it;


103 posted on 12/21/2012 1:42:48 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Nervous Tick
...it would be interesting to see how the Feds would enforce it in (say) Texas. Or Oklahoma. Or North Dakota. Or Wyoming.

"Sternly worded letters" to our Governors and Fed agencies? Chest beating threats via the MSM? They'd be too chicken to send armed forces in to take what they cannot have.

Obama and his fellow travelers in Congress can say what they like, or decree what they like, but they don't have the power to disarm us. Only we do.

104 posted on 12/21/2012 2:19:49 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Celerity
The US will deploy drones, en masse : Many people are waiting for the government to “pull the trigger” on such a law. From that point, they will clear out their safes and hide them throughout the wilderness.

People who would hide their guns when the jackboots come calling for them, have lost sight of the reason they have guns at all.

When King George III's troops came calling for our forefather's guns, they didn't bury them - they shot the British.

105 posted on 12/21/2012 2:44:04 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: G Larry
There is the little problem of “enforcement”.

4 - Many citizens will 'turn in' their guns and ammo, one cartridge at a time.

106 posted on 12/21/2012 2:46:48 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Rannug
How many of you are willing to fight a SWAT team?

You're asking the wrong question.

How many SWAT teams would be willing to attempt to disarm thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of resistant citizens?

107 posted on 12/21/2012 2:49:04 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: arthurus

Not once in your whole doomsday essay did you state the correct response to the unrestrained tyranny you so meticulously described.

Flunk!


108 posted on 12/21/2012 3:04:09 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GOPJ
The left has a powerful ˜group-think going - they’ve built a consensus around their passion - as if the intensity of beliefs was somehow connected to the truth of those beliefs.

The left has now reached cult status and they have their true cult leader in Baraq Hussein Soetoro. They will stop at nothing, absolutely nothing, and they will get away with every single act until they are forcibly stopped. Just examine for a moment what Hussein has gotten away with already and the challenges are so weak and feeble as to be barely heard in the din of the left's roar. Force is what it will come to, not sure when but sometime in the next four years.
109 posted on 12/21/2012 5:27:09 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Hoodat

I guess the standard bullet for the 10mm is 180 grains. So, any 180 grain truncated cone shaped bullet will work. The Glock is very forgiving in that it feeds and cycles well with just about any shape or weight bullet. As far as buying your wife a firearm, I think it would be best to take her to your gun dealer/indoor range and have her try out a few models to see what will work for her. For the novice, revolvers are generally safer to learn on, but any knowledgable firearm enthusiast can teach a new gun owner all that is needed for safe and skillful operation of either revolver or semi auto. I always start out a novice with the Ruger Mark II .22LR. Its a great gun to teach beginners about sight picture/trigger control as well as semi auto operation.


110 posted on 12/21/2012 6:01:28 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Hoodat

S& W’s model 610 is fine for this. I use the cheaper .40 for practice in mine. Far as 10mm ammo, I prefer heavy weight to high velocity, with no brand preference for this revolver. It’s a hose.

YMMV depending on your particular gun. Especially if yours is an auto-feeder, consult your gun’s manufacturer before attempting it.


111 posted on 12/21/2012 6:19:48 PM PST by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

The gun grabbers really need to think this through; I fear that they are so involved with their groupthink that they do not understand their own personal peril. I am old enough to remember how all of the Hollywood liberals squeeled like pigs when they watched the Watts riots, and then came begging to borrow guns from those that they despised for owning guns.

The Constitution is a pact — citizens will accept the laws of the politicians as long as the politicians respect the rights of citizens recognized by the Constitution. If the politicians step far enough over that bright line, they do so at their peril; citizens will not obey the laws, and may well resist with violence; it is called “the consent of the governed”.

When the SWAT teams confiscating guns kill the first gun owner, they will be crossing a very bright line.

If Congress passes a law to enable this, then every single Congressman who voted for it, and their staffs, become legitimate targets. If this is done by executive order, then every single member of the Administration, from the lowliest secretary to the highest Czar, from Homeland Security to EPA to BATFE to SEC to DE to ..., are legitimate targets. Lemme give you a clue — that is a very target rich environment, and there are not enough Federal agents or police to protect them all.

If the MSM members are cheering on the confiscation, they become legitimate targets. If State and local politicians cheer them on, they also become legitimate targets. If the Leftist thinktanks are cheering them on ... it might be time to clean their houses as well.

If the populace of the big cities are cheering them on ... maybe they would like to do so without electricity and/or water. Because the electrical net is so fragile, I suspect that as few as 5 people with rifles could drop the grid in an afternoon.

And ... the Professors and Administrators in the halls of higher education may rue the day that they insisted that their Universities become “gun-free zones”.

All the SWAT teams in the country cannot stop even 100 people who are an “army of one”. The FBI and Homeland Security cannot stop those 100 people, because they will act alone, and have no co-conspirators to rat them out.

Remember, when you become over-awed the the might of the Federal Government -— two people with one rifle in one car shut down the DC area for more than a week. What if they had been targeting Federal installations and their employees on the way to/from work — would the civil servants still have driven into work each day, when only one of them per day was being knocked off?

If a gun owner knows the SWAT teams are coming to get them and their guns, and they know they will face a hail of bullets ... it is easy to choose to become an army of one and go after the softer targets - the people that are directing them. They don’t talk to anybody about it ... they just get prepared to do it.


112 posted on 12/21/2012 8:52:28 PM PST by Mack the knife
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To: Mack the knife
The "line in the sand" that you describe, is not lawful.

The lawful "line in the sand" is best exemplified by The Powder Alarm of 1774.

The lawful process of using Arms to defend liberty against government-gone-wrong, is thru the militia, at the state level, or at the county level, or at the town/community level.

You must exercise martial power under the authority of a lawfully-elected legistlative body, be that your town council, your county board of governors, or your state legislature --- *only* they can authorize the exercise of martial power against government power.

The burden upon the people of a state, or upon the people of a county, or upon the people of a community, *must be so great* that it compells them to petition their lawful representatives to order The Muster - call out the militia of that jurisdiction.

You can demonstrate, practice, and train, and work as hard as you please to be prepared ... but there is one thing that you cannot do unless authorized by a lawful body of representatives ... and that is, exercise martial power.

As an individual, the weapon that you are expected to use --- that General Washington and George Mason and James Madison would expect you to use --- is the pen.

Everywhere you see some leftist espouse the establishment of a police state, rebutt them. Write them simply; just a few select sentences.

Our duty right now, is to show up in numbers, in the media, making clear these facts:

Various wordings of the Second Amendment were tried during its development. The end result *purposefully* leaves out any enumeration of reasons why an individual has the right to keep and bear Arms. Any reason *why* an individual may or may not keep and bear Arms, was left to the states and the people thereof, to settle among themselves.

The only enumeration in the Second Amendment focuses on what to do about a group of men under Arms - what is to happen when individuals who bear military grade Arms are in a group, and they *are* capable of exercising martial power. What *then,* was to become of that power?

The answer was, that both the states and the federal government would rely upon *the group* being formally mustered, well-regulated, well trained to Arms, well discplined, and answerable to civilian authority.

Both the states and the federal government sought unity of function and preparedness of the militia of each state. The state militiae should be "well trained to Arms" and be capable of, and mindful of, lawfully exercising martial power and respecting lawful civilian authority.

In the old days up to around WW-I times and for a while thereafter, there was a tradition of local militia drilling on the common, the town green, or the county fairgrounds. It gave people an opportunity to remain somewhat familiar with military duty; it helped to keep them from becoming too rusty. It demonstrated the proper practices and discipline *for all to see.*

It is a shame that most communities and counties and states got out of that practice.

All the uses of weapons, firearm or not, for non-military purposes, were left to be decided by the states and their people.

Again, there would be no condition within the Second Amendment, by which you do, or do not, have the right to keep and bear Arms; because, the Founding Fathers correctly anticipated that any such enumerated condition might be used as grounds for an individual to either be forced to bear Arms or be stripped of their Arms.

Unlike in previous years and times, when we would hope to go about our business, without having to worry about the ever-present leftist thought police, there will be this time, no rest for us into the foreseeable future.

No weapons other than the pen, will do more for us.

We will have to go at the leftists again and again and again; always working along their lines, searching for where there is opportunity to push them back.

We *are* now, deep in a cultural civil war. Rush is *wrong.* There will be no winter seclusion nor rest. We are in the fight to the end, and it will take *years,* just as General Washington never, never, never quit.

Practice here at FR, what you want to say. Use clips of what others have written.

There is plenty of ammunition here, for writing in our common defense, as you reply to the wild political charges that the left is urging toward the establishment of a police state and "peoples courts" designed to exterminate people who love liberty.

113 posted on 12/21/2012 9:27:57 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

It is like living 1968 all over again.


You remind me. SOMEwhere I have a series of JPEG files of the pages of Time/Newsweek/whatever from 1968. The “guns are bad” propaganda issue that helped expedite GCA-1968

I’ll see if I can find them amongst my gigabytes of archives going back to — well — a long time, and maybe post a vanity...

:wq


114 posted on 12/22/2012 4:49:44 AM PST by Peet (Alles hat ein Ende nur die Wurst hat zwei. (Monroe in "Grimm"))
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To: Road Glide; Rannug

“Has a drone taken radar pictures of your home”


The “drones” have already completed much of their work, courtesy of google...

Don’t forget the nice folks logging the geographical location of every private residence in the country around the time of the last U.S. census.


115 posted on 12/22/2012 5:02:46 AM PST by Peet (Alles hat ein Ende nur die Wurst hat zwei. (Monroe in "Grimm"))
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