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Just Ban Guns - Yeah! That'll Work!
12/21/12 | rusty schucklefurd

Posted on 12/21/2012 7:40:32 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd

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To: Sans-Culotte

re: “I’ve been registered at FR since 1998, and have yet to post a useless vanity thread. Why did you feel the need for a thread to make a comment that is not at all unique, and could have been added to the countless gun-control threads that already exist? Just asking.”

Since my post has been pre-judged by you as being “useless”, what can I say that would effectively answer your question?

I guess I thought having two easy examples of federal attempts at banning something, attempts that everyone is familiar with - even liberals, would be two easy refutations to the “low information” voters. Yes, I know these two examples are kind of “Captain Obvious”, but even these two examples should be (I know that is a big assumption) familar with Obama voters.

If I offended you, well, sorry I upset you.


21 posted on 12/21/2012 9:11:59 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd
If I offended you, well, sorry I upset you.

Oh, I'm not offended or upset. I was just curious. Most vanities at FR are like yours. They usually are as I described yours - basically a comment that could be added to an existing thread. Generally, if I want to comment on something, I scan the articles and look for an appropriate thread. Threads on Newtown/gun banning are legion here. If I make my comment on such a thread, and no one reads it or responds, that's no big deal, since we are all saying essentially the same thing on this subject.

22 posted on 12/21/2012 9:19:31 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Then they better ban machine shops too. Any decent machine shop using easily available materials can manufacture a crude but effective small arm from scratch. If they have the right equipment and put time and effort into it, they can fabricate a fairly advanced weapon capable of fully automatic cycling.

Ammunition too can be fabricated with the right equipment. Of course making the higher velocity smokeless propellant needed for automatic weapons is a bit more difficult but decent low velocity (it still will kill you) black powder can be made by any kid using easily obtainable supplies and will work in a single shot or properly designed semi automatic weapon.

Firearms technology is hundreds of years old. Fabricating a simple but lethal firearm and ammunition is not nuclear science


23 posted on 12/21/2012 9:25:33 AM PST by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Yes yes, save the children! Let’s talk about SAVE THE CHILDREN for a moment. All this week I’ve heard the question spouted again and again by morons, “why does anyone NEED a high capacity magazine with all those bullets?”. Not once have I heard anyone intellegent respond with “Ask a Syrian!”.

The current civil war in Syria started when the local police violated two young boys right to free speech. They were suspected of spray painting anti-regime slogans. They were taken into custody against their rights, did not recieve a trial that was within their rights, and they were beaten to death against their rights. When the population excorcised their rights to free speech by protesting this travesty they were gunned down against their rights.

THIS IS WHY I NEED A HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE AND A SPOOKY MILITARY TYPE RIFLE! Don’t tell me I’m paranoid! Don’t tell me it “would never happen here”. You don’t get to try to take away my 2nd ammendment rights all while telling me that I don’t have to worry about totalitarianism in my country. I CLEARLY DO!!!


24 posted on 12/21/2012 9:26:49 AM PST by The Toll
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To: rusty schucklefurd

You know, fortunately, making a gun with your fingers and going “kew!kew!kew!” will get a kid suspended, maybe expelled. So that should help.


25 posted on 12/21/2012 9:28:58 AM PST by marron
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To: rusty schucklefurd
Which forum should I have posted this in?

General/Chat, Your original content is not News unless published in news media. If you gave this speech at a public TEA Party event, that would be Activism, but online we have Blogs or Chat.

26 posted on 12/21/2012 9:35:04 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: The Toll
“Ask a Syrian!”

Obama, Chris Stevens, and Clinton are supplying full auto military grade assault weapons to the Syrian "Rebels", but Obama agrees with Assad that the American people should be jailed for thinking about owning the same.

27 posted on 12/21/2012 9:43:16 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
What would be the constitutional issue if gun manufacturers included with every weapon sold a trigger lock?

Have you bought a gun lately? Trigger locks are included with every firearm sold these days thanks to Senator Herb Kohl...

Most are Chinese made junk and wind up getting tossed.

Regards,
GtG

28 posted on 12/21/2012 9:43:33 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Murdered Ambassador = 1st Amendment’s fault!
Murdered Children = 2nd Amendment’s fault!

Clearly the administration sees FREEDOM as the real culprit!


29 posted on 12/21/2012 9:57:04 AM PST by The Toll
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To: rusty schucklefurd

this is a bit different

Gold and guns
Ownership of Each has been and might be banned for the American people. In the case of gold ... it was FDR and he collected all the gold coins, etc. in America. So much came in it was necessary to build Fort Knox. The penalty for anyone not bringing in their gold was 10 years in prison.. Strong inducement. They were given paper money for the valus of the gold. Today that money would be worth 60 cents on the dollar and the gold itself would be worth $8,ooo.oo (as in the case of gold coin)

In other nations that have taken up the guns the penalty for not doing so is severe.

There is a book written 50 or more years ago ... tells about the grandfather that hid his guns buried in a cave ... years later he told his grandson about the location, as the grandfather was getting old, and he wanted his grand son to have protection when needed.

Almost immediately the grandson told the authorities. The government, of course, seized the guns and arrested the grandfather. They also had vehicles that could drive down the street and see everything inside the home so no way to hide guns there. ...

Good book. In this moment the name does not come too me.
Turning out to be true for America it appears.


30 posted on 12/21/2012 10:05:56 AM PST by geologist (" If you love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15)
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To: The Toll
Yes yes, save the children! Let’s talk about SAVE THE CHILDREN for a moment. All this week I’ve heard the question spouted again and again by morons, “why does anyone NEED

As a side note: those are two favorite arguments of War On Drugs supporters. Just sayin' ...

31 posted on 12/21/2012 10:13:15 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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32 posted on 12/21/2012 11:13:43 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: Sans-Culotte

re: “I was just curious. Most vanities at FR are like yours. They usually are as I described yours - basically a comment that could be added to an existing thread.”

I find it curious that someone with such a high intellect as yours finds it academically interesting to spend time putting down someone they feel is wasting everyone else’s time with a post that you’ve judged is “useless”.


33 posted on 12/21/2012 11:19:04 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd
It won't do squat if crazy people just steal them.
On a side note the Feds just raided a gunshop where one of the guns from Newtown was bought.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/20/connecticut-shop-where-nancy-lanza-bought-1-of-her-guns-raided-by-feds/

It seems a mentally ill fellow tried to steal a long gun. He was on a 2 yr suspended sentence for theft. He already had stolen 12 guns from the same store!.
http://windsorlocks.patch.com/articles/police-man-stole-weapons-from-east-windsor-gun-shop-because-he-was-being-teased-at-work.

He got caught trying to steal a .50 cal this time.

Something smells big time. 12 guns from same store? Mentally ill and suspended sentence?

Wonder if we are looking at Fast and Furious 2.0, the backup plan.

34 posted on 12/21/2012 11:39:29 AM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Didn’t know. Haven’t bought a gun lately.


35 posted on 12/21/2012 11:44:20 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: Polynikes
In further developments the same shop was shy 33 guns back in ‘07. The thief was caught and received a suspended sentence. Unbelievable.
http://www.ctnow.com/news/connecticut/newtown-sandy-hook-school-shooting/hc-east-windsor-gun-shop-1221-20121220,0,285947.story
36 posted on 12/21/2012 11:51:39 AM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Didn’t know. Haven’t bought a gun lately.

Now's the time to stock up before the prices spiral out of sight. Re; trigger locks, a friend of mine worked at Master Lock in Milwaukee as a tool and die maker. He told me about a "little" problem Master Lock had with them.

It seems they sent the specifications, blue prints, and prototype samples along with an order for several hundred thousand locks to China instead of producing them here. After several months the first shipment arrived from their Chinese subsidiary. The samples that were tested failed to work after a few lock/unlock cycles. Further testing found ALL the locks in the shipment to be defective.

It seem the Chinese took it upon themselves to make some changes to the design. They changed the ratchet pawl from heat treated high carbon steel 0.09 thick to mild steel 0.03 thick and dropped the heat treat. Their "cost reduction" cost Master Lock over $1 million as every one of the Chinese made locks were scrapped and they had to scramble to produce replacements in the good 'ol USA!

Regards,
GtG

37 posted on 12/21/2012 1:05:51 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: MtnMan101
LOL!
38 posted on 12/21/2012 1:22:22 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
EQAndyBuzz said: "What would be the constitutional issue if gun manufacturers included with every weapon sold a trigger lock?"

Any mandate from government that gun manufacturers supply anything that the manufacturer and the gun buyer do not voluntarily agree to is what one might call an "infringement"; that is, the additional cost and time spent impairs the right to keep and bear arms.

One might argue that it would be a "small infringement". To that I would agree. But it would be an infringement just the same.

39 posted on 12/21/2012 5:00:08 PM PST by William Tell
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