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Do you agree with the NRA that an armed officer should be posted in every school? (FREEP THIS POLL!)
BayNews9 ^ | 21 December 2012 | Staff

Posted on 12/21/2012 11:46:44 AM PST by rarestia

Do you agree with the NRA that an armed officer should be posted in every school? Yes(72%) No(28%)


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FREEP THIS POLL! The overwhelmingly leftist media spin machine is trying to play this one off as the NRA eating children. In reality, I think La Pierre's solution, while a good start, needs to go farther by allowing teachers or administrators to be armed as well.
1 posted on 12/21/2012 11:46:54 AM PST by rarestia
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To: rarestia

FTR I think the PS system is as broken as the USSR circa 1983, but they could try putting real men in schools as authority figures. I know when pigs fly.


2 posted on 12/21/2012 11:49:54 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: rarestia

72% Yes agree with NRA
28% No


3 posted on 12/21/2012 11:50:30 AM PST by Texas56
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To: rarestia

Pull all the cops from the courthouses and put them in the schools. They could win the WoD at the same time.


4 posted on 12/21/2012 11:50:54 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: rarestia

Yes(73%)
No(27%)


5 posted on 12/21/2012 11:53:16 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: junta

I applied to be a schoolteacher after college due to a lack of success finding a job in IT. I was quite a long way through the application process when everything fell off a cliff, and they stopped communication with me. It happened to coincide around the same period of time that my C&R FFL was approved.

In retrospect, I’m glad I didn’t get into education. It’s a thankless job with crap pay. I found a job in IT just 2 weeks later.


6 posted on 12/21/2012 11:53:44 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

When did big government solutions become a conservative ideal?

Cowardice is a powerful motivator.


7 posted on 12/21/2012 11:53:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rarestia

Perhaps this would also discourage pedophile teachers. Just saying.


8 posted on 12/21/2012 11:54:07 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Paladin2

Strip all of the sanctomonious c*cksuckers in D.C. of their security too!


9 posted on 12/21/2012 11:54:12 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: rarestia

If by “officer” you mean a teacher, principal or parent, then yes.


10 posted on 12/21/2012 11:55:21 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: rarestia

I could be wrong, but IIRC, the NRA wasn’t suggesting armed officers. I thought they wanted volunteers from the community, specifically former police and military or otherwise trained civilians.


11 posted on 12/21/2012 11:57:05 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: rarestia

Having armed guards at schools? Ridiculous idea. Our society didn’t need them before, and we don’t need them now. It won’t happen anyway, but if it does, it will bring unionized TSA gropers to the schoolhouse.

Besides, the chance of your kid being killed in a Newton-style shooting is less than being struck by lightening, twice on the same day.

LaPierre should stick to the common and true themes when dealing with the hostile leftist press - the CONSTITUTION, a violent society, HOLLYWOOD, TV, video games and the fact that the NRA is an absolute promoter of safety and training.


12 posted on 12/21/2012 11:57:48 AM PST by PGR88
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To: rarestia
The school calls 9-11 to tell the police to come to the school....Of course they're expected to be armed.

Wouldn't it be nice if someone was there BEFORE an evenet?? It's called prevention.

There is no damn law that will stop bad people from arming themselves. Never has been....never will be.

13 posted on 12/21/2012 11:58:42 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: rarestia

I think the armed “officers” should be selected employees of the school. They should get a little extra pay just as a teacher does if they are also a coach.


14 posted on 12/21/2012 11:59:21 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: rarestia

We have the TSA, so why can’t we have the SSA, the School Safety Administration.

Imagine blue shirted security guards at at every school entrance screening all packages, patting down little kids for illegal PBJ sandwiches, and confiscating illegal substances from the high school kids.

It is a win-win for all. There could be a government union for them or we could just make it a subset of the Teacher’s union. To have uniformity in all the schools, the SSA would have to be federal. They wouldn’t even have to be armed. They could have those collapsible nightsticks that all the cool policeman have.

The SSA could be staffed with all the high schoolers that don’t go on to college. A ready made job machine for the US.

Any of you freepers want to sign up?


15 posted on 12/21/2012 11:59:47 AM PST by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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To: cripplecreek

Just let the teachers/principalsparents carry guns (even if they need to take a course first), no need for more employees


16 posted on 12/21/2012 12:00:54 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: rarestia

No. We need to do what liberals do - they want to throw out the Constitution for a plan that has ZERO proof of working.

We need to do the same.

Conservatives can push for laws requiring all citizens to go to Church once a week. We think it’s a values problem, they think it’s guns - both groups are willing to force their will on the other.

I’m tired of the one sided trashing of the Constitution - we can do that too FOR THE CHILDREN - I’m sure they won’t object.


17 posted on 12/21/2012 12:01:16 PM PST by GOPJ (Detroit should be renamed 'Michael Mooresville'...)
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To: rarestia; newgeezer

How about select teachers who have military experience or are hunters or gun safety teachers be made official School Marshals. They could earn a few extra bucks and not cost as much as an official full time armed guard. There is little chance of an armed guard being where needed anyway.


18 posted on 12/21/2012 12:01:37 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Not voting against multiple ObamaPhoneWoman votes anymore.)
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To: Paladin2
Pull all the cops from the courthouses and put them in the schools. They could win the WoD at the same time.

The simplistic genius of your statement is absolutely incredible. Of course! Why didn't anyone else think of that?

I live in a well to do area and for some stupid reason our school district (one of the tops in the state...) is having a real problem with heroin. I've lost count of the number of kids that have died this year from experimenting with heroin. One of the neighbor kids down the street was found dead in their back yard from a heroin overdose just two weeks ago.

Until then, I really had no idea it was going on. Where are the kids getting the heroin? In school.

One other comment: pull the armed guards from the courtrooms and watch how fast these liberal judges stop putting these dangerous repeat felons back out on the street and instead lock them up!!!

19 posted on 12/21/2012 12:01:39 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: rarestia

No. We need to do what liberals do - they want to throw out the Constitution for a plan that has ZERO proof of working.

We need to do the same.

Conservatives can push for laws requiring all citizens to go to Church once a week. We think it’s a values problem, they think it’s guns - both groups are willing to force their will on the other.

I’m tired of the one sided trashing of the Constitution - we can do that too FOR THE CHILDREN - I’m sure they won’t object.


20 posted on 12/21/2012 12:01:49 PM PST by GOPJ (Detroit should be renamed 'Michael Mooresville'...)
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To: rarestia

NO, The TSA will try to take charge of them. It must be a local solution for it to work. The same plan will not work everywhere.


21 posted on 12/21/2012 12:02:01 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: rarestia

Do you agree with the NRA that an armed officer should be posted in every school?

Yes(73%)
No(27%)


22 posted on 12/21/2012 12:02:09 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: rarestia

They should train and arm teachers and administrative staff, not hire a bunch of “cops.” They should have faculty gun clubs.

Liberals have to change on this subject of guns. The Conn. school had liberalism’s policy. It was a gun free zone. And what the NRA and everyone else said when liberals imposed that wacky policy, was that it was setting the schools up with a lack of self defense should something terrible happen.

Liberals were wrong and they need to admit it. They have enough blood on their hands now.


23 posted on 12/21/2012 12:03:07 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: rarestia

We’ve had them for decades here....


24 posted on 12/21/2012 12:06:08 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: rarestia

As with most problems, this one can be solved with straight up technology. But the cheapest and most flexible is probably armed public.


25 posted on 12/21/2012 12:06:20 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: rarestia

Dumb.

Maybe the stupidest idea by a non lib I have ever come across in my lifetime.


26 posted on 12/21/2012 12:07:15 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Hell, I would volunteer to be a school guard once a week if it meant I could get out of work without risk of being fired.

Go one step further: they “deputize” retirees to be crossing guards. Why not arm those volunteers, many of whom are pillars of their communities and often retired vets, and allow them to be on the school property full time as volunteers?

We need to take the fight of incrementalism back to the liberals. They’ve incrementally scaled back the Constitution over the years, we need to incrementally bring it back to the front of the public discussion.

Traditional American values and the Constitution should be at the forefront of every honest civic discussion. We are NOT like the rest of the world because we wanted to be different. We should not be shying away from that, we should be embracing our heritage.

The treasonous bastards in DC need to realize that they’re part of this experiment to keep it going, not to turn us into Europe West.


27 posted on 12/21/2012 12:08:02 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Are you talkin’ ‘bout ValJar?


28 posted on 12/21/2012 12:08:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: rarestia
Allow the teachers to conceal carry. No malefactor would know who's carrying.

The NRA proposal is the next best thing.

Regardless, the next target will be school buses, which means the bus drivers will need to carry.

LaPierre's statement today was excellent. Unfortunately, the media won't report it, or will distort it.

29 posted on 12/21/2012 12:08:10 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: rarestia

it’s not exactly a 20 - 80 split but close enough for that rule to apply in this case. I’m still waiting for those of us in the 80% category to once and for all take a stand against the utopian idiot 20% that continue to foist their enslavement type rules on the rest of us. However, I am not holding my breath. Kids taught by communists will themselves adopt the communist style mind set as well as that kind of government structure.


30 posted on 12/21/2012 12:09:00 PM PST by drypowder
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To: SaraJohnson

74%—YES

26%-NO

GO FREEPERS!


31 posted on 12/21/2012 12:09:19 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: DungeonMaster

It should not be generally known who or how many “School Marshals” are at each school. Make it similar to the air marshals.


32 posted on 12/21/2012 12:09:25 PM PST by toast
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To: toast

AND HOW MANY HI JACKINGS HAVE HAD????

NONE.

duhhhhhh.


33 posted on 12/21/2012 12:12:29 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: rarestia
There was an armed guard at Columbine High.

Few know what they will do when the bullets start to fly. That's why you need more than one adult on hand to be ready to risk their lives to defend the lives of others. End gun free zones, teach teachers self defense, and pay them more for law enforcement or military combat experience. LaPierre's solution will merely create another unionized bureaucracy incapable of addressing the level of actual risk in the case of a heavily armed attacker.

34 posted on 12/21/2012 12:13:53 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: GeronL

Exactly.


35 posted on 12/21/2012 12:13:59 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rarestia

It’s a stupid idea, far from the concept of the 2nd Amendment, and a huge, expensive boon to police unions. Why not just mandate concealed carry permits nationwide and ban all “gun free zones”? There will be no end to well-trained parents and teachers willing to step up and defend the schools. End of problem.


36 posted on 12/21/2012 12:15:32 PM PST by montag813
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To: rarestia

Bad idea, I think. Allow teachers and administrators to carry if they want to, and require that at least one person at each campus is trained in firearms and has a weapon at the ready.


37 posted on 12/21/2012 12:17:02 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: cripplecreek

Frankly, I’d answer no and select the alternative arming of school staff, which wasn’t an option, if I had the choice.

If we consider the per person cost broken down across 600 parents at the Newtown school, for instance, the fee would be rather minimal if training and arming only five teachers was the outcome, and they were simply paid a monthly stipend for become part of a on site security team.

I’m not convinced these staff would demand increased pay. They might do it out of sense of devotion to the children as long as their certification/equipment costs were covered.

There are very low impact resolutions to this problem if people truly look for them with a reasoned mind.

Don’t expect this to emanate from Washington. (I’m sure you don’t...)


38 posted on 12/21/2012 12:19:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (How about a waiting period for putting crazies out on the streets, say a million years or so.)
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To: junta

Vouchers for all students.
Then let each school decide what it wants to do.
Parents will be back in charge.
OK?


39 posted on 12/21/2012 12:20:47 PM PST by noah (noah)
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To: GeronL

agreed!


40 posted on 12/21/2012 12:21:00 PM PST by crusadersoldier
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To: rarestia
I absolutely think the worst possible solution is putting an armed officer in each school. Each school having weapons and training teachers to defend the school? All for that. At every school, there will be naturally at least one rational person who realizes that when help is needed instantly, it's an hour away.

But putting yet another union goon on the payroll, sucking up benefits, enjoying long vacations, and in the end, doing the job that anyone else at that school COULD do is a massive waste of funds and time.

The school in CT invested more than $50,000 in electronic locks to ‘secure’ the school, where $5,000 in guns, ammo and training would have made a real difference. So the ‘solution’ is to pay someone $85-90k a year to do the same thing that $5,000 would do?

Only a government could even imagine thinking in these terms.

41 posted on 12/21/2012 12:21:29 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: rarestia

Then you will have another subsidized government intervention that is broken. Why not just keep the criminals in jail.

Until the justice system is overhauled and criminals are treated as criminals instead of victims, then you can expect no end in sight. No penalty for breaking the law equates to no reason to obey the law.

If you’re going to hire more law enforcement peronnel, make them prison guards.

Let school administrators and teachers train and provide the protection.


42 posted on 12/21/2012 12:25:35 PM PST by nomobs
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To: rarestia

A gun “safe” in every office/class/storage/lunch room with card key access.... the real estate industry uses a very good system to validate/control card keys... fast and easy to open...


43 posted on 12/21/2012 12:25:35 PM PST by vet7279
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To: rarestia

There ARE officers in many schools. Go to nasro.org


44 posted on 12/21/2012 12:26:12 PM PST by Spok
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To: PGR88
Any armed guards at schools should be professional lawmen, not teachers aides, cleaning staff, etc.

Placing armed guards at every US school is going to be an expensive proposition.

In my town, unruly children rule. Fights, and I mean truly vicious battles, among young people are not uncommon. My daughter can tell you of ripped-out hair and blood in the halls after a girls’ fight. The schools move heaven and earth to keep the violence a secret, and they do not call for police assistance, except as a last resort. Politicians and school officials want to public to think that violence “is minimal.” When one of my children was in elementary school, he told us that every so often a “kill day” was declared by the cliques. On those days, one child would be designated as the target, and it would be, for instance, “Kill Billy Day.” That child would be tormented and beaten, and teachers and staff simply looked the other way. Maybe we've come to the point in our civilization where armed guards are the only option left. Sad.

45 posted on 12/21/2012 12:27:53 PM PST by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: rarestia

My first worry is another 500,000 Federal employees at $100,000/year.


46 posted on 12/21/2012 12:28:52 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Not voting against multiple ObamaPhoneWoman votes anymore.)
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To: kingu

I think LaPierre was right to propose this as an equal measure against what Obama and Left are proposing simply to meet them on the same “high ground” they purport to occupy. The unwashed masses, those people who are agnostic on guns and just go with whatever Big Brother says, will be more apt to get behind a proposal that puts law enforcement at the schools than they would be to get behind a proposal that arms teachers and administrators.

The cry from the Left and from teachers unions, specifically, would be so loud as to be deafening if it was mandated that schools be armed. They would likely outright refuse. And given the media’s maligning of guns and framing of your average citizen as a potential “criminal in waiting” just because they’re armed, the unwashed public would likely fall in line with the media narrative but would not be swayed on the LEO line since they view LEOs as their protectors.

It’s an incremental step to divert the discussion away from gun bans and allows the NRA a little breathing room. I’m by no means advocating for this, I’m simply saying it was a bold political move on the part of the NRA. They’re actually offering a solution instead of wobbling on their stance. They’re in a tough spot. People identify as parents to the death of children. To propose MORE guns to people who are middle-of-the-road on the subject would require more education than the media is going to allow to occur.


47 posted on 12/21/2012 12:30:33 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: DoughtyOne

All I know is that into the 80s we high school kids were allowed to bring guns to school for hunting after and there were no school shootings at my school.

There were a few common sense rules that were followed but it all seemed fine. If we drove the gun had to stay locked in our vehicle. Guns weren’t allowed on the bus so a parent had to take us and the gun went to the principal’s office for the day.

I remember standing in the principal’s office while he was gawking at a big ole .44 revolver a well to do friend brought to school but didn’t want to leave in his truck.


48 posted on 12/21/2012 12:31:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rarestia

I would much rather they got rid of some of the expensive administrators and put the money into armed guards - seems to me it would be money much better spent. School districts are way too top-heavy with administrators as it is.


49 posted on 12/21/2012 12:31:43 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: rarestia

Actually, I do not want police officers in schools, because the vast majority of the time they will spend arresting students for petty violations of the law. They are *required* to do this.

Schools can and do hire armed security guards, and that serves the same purpose. They were doing this back in the 1970s. It works.


50 posted on 12/21/2012 12:32:35 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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