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"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of. almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which. the people are attached and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a. barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which. a simple government of any form can admit of." --James Madison, Federalist No. 46, 1788
1 posted on 12/24/2012 5:37:21 AM PST by IbJensen
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"...subordinate governments..."

Even the RINOs believe in a diskdtatorial rule - Br0nc0 being an exemplar.

2 posted on 12/24/2012 5:42:17 AM PST by Paladin2
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It is all about control and the government orchestrating that control of citizens.


3 posted on 12/24/2012 5:42:28 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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"...subordinate governments..."

Even the RINOs believe in a dicktatorial rule - Br0nc0 being an exemplar.

4 posted on 12/24/2012 5:42:54 AM PST by Paladin2
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From much I have seen, psychology and psychiatry are both mental disorders in which the sickest of the sick project their own insanity onto their ‘patients’ and the world around them.


5 posted on 12/24/2012 5:44:29 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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>>Fifth point: Elites want to continue to own America. They want to have sway over the land and resources and people and money. Their minions and agents are the official people with weapons. That’s the way it works. It has to be a one-sided game. If millions and millions and millions of private citizens owned guns and knew how to use them, the tin gods wouldn’t be able to sleep well at night.

This is the key. The Elites of both parties want to control everything, including YOU. When they see a worker buying a gallon of gas, they think, “He’s using MY money to buy MY gas. Why is he allowed to waste resources that I might need?” Global warming, gun control, socialism, media are all just tools to control the herd. They see themselves as nobility, and in some cases, as demi-gods to be worshipped.


6 posted on 12/24/2012 5:47:11 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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It’s not just the gun shop files that will be raided but doctors’ records as well. Remember the last time you were in to see the doctor for a headache and he asked if you own guns? Doesn’t matter what answer you gave, you don’t know what he wrote down and if you have headaches you certainly don’t need to be anywhere around a gun.


7 posted on 12/24/2012 5:47:16 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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The Socialist Left stands for using coercion to force everyone submit to agree with their set of values. Along these lines, doesn’t putting the government in charge of medical care give government the power to make its own medical definitions for things like mental health and mental illness? Therefore, it’s easy to see the subsequent step(s) implementing communist-type mental illness punishment and confinement for anyone disagreeing with these burned-out hippie and cultural tyrants.


8 posted on 12/24/2012 5:48:01 AM PST by PapaNew
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That’s why they call us gun nuts I guess. No sane person has need of semi auto rifles in their opinions. Call me crazy but I don’t trust leftist socialist governments, especially when they start going after firearms.


9 posted on 12/24/2012 5:48:39 AM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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Long story short: tyrants deem personal liberty dysfunctional.


10 posted on 12/24/2012 5:50:34 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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The Socialist Left stands for using coercion to force agreement with their set of values. Along these lines, doesn’t putting the government in charge of medical care give government the power to make its own medical definitions for things like mental health and mental illness? Therefore, it’s easy to see the subsequent step(s) implementing communist-type mental illness punishment and confinement for anyone disagreeing with these burned-out hippie and cultural tyrants.


12 posted on 12/24/2012 5:53:09 AM PST by PapaNew
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Gun ownership can be limited to qualified individuals.
1. Age requirement. That is a no-brainer. Concealed carry especially should have a minimum age, perhaps 25 (the age at which the male brain is mostly mature).
This does not prevent a teenager from hunting with a parent or other responsible adult.
2. Qualification. A safety course, and a practical course, somewhat similar to that required for police. No problem for most serious gun enthusiasts.
3. No permits for felons. By far the most reliable way of predicting behavior is by past record.
4. No permits for foreigners, except those from countries who will permit our own citizens. This means only, essentially, Canada. Not México.
5. No serious mental disease. Schizophrenia should be an absolute disqualification: it is dangerous, and incurable. Although it is treatable, patients frequently skip their medications.
6. Permitting should be done by the states. This is a 10th Amendment thing.
7. Guns must be under the control of the permittee at all times. That means a kid should not have free access to his parent’s guns, as in the CT case, or Columbine.


13 posted on 12/24/2012 5:56:53 AM PST by docbnj
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"Some estimates state 20-25% of the US population is suffering from a mental disorder."

...YEAH, AND THEY ALL VOTED FOR OBAMA.

14 posted on 12/24/2012 6:00:09 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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The American Psychiatric Association normalized homosexuality years ago- because they are another arm of the far left. They are pushing gun control now- for the same reason.


16 posted on 12/24/2012 6:13:33 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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There’s a very simple way to thwart this plan. If you ever get sent for a “mental health evaluation” by the state, just tell them that you are a proud homosexual and you feel very offended that they are persecuting you for the way you were born. They can’t start diagnosing the queers as mentally ill, since that is a no-no. Turn the inconsistencies of liberalism against itself.


17 posted on 12/24/2012 6:15:54 AM PST by Boogieman
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Hypothetically, this makes perfect sense. Then when all the law abiding gun owners are stripped of that right, further resistance can be treated as a mental disorder. Those resisting the peace and restraint of the benevolent government, can be humanely disappeared, and placed in rehabilitation facilities...

Wait, didn’t they do that in the old USSR?


18 posted on 12/24/2012 6:18:41 AM PST by petro45acp ( Merry Christmas !! Adeste Fidele!)
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Psychiatrists: Psych Meds 'Cause' Violence, Lanza Record Awaited

"Psychiatrists have come forward to assert that certain psychiatric medications, such as those known as SSRIs, are almost certainly the chemical cause of a large number of instances of random violence and suicide in which SSRIs have been present.

[Includes list of recent mass murderers and the mood altering medications they were on. The public schools pass these things out like candy - especially to overly active little boys (ADD)]

20 posted on 12/24/2012 6:30:45 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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There is no doubt at all that the left wants to seize guns from the hands of the honest, law-abiding citizens, and deliberately leave them in the hands of the “downtrodden underclass oppressed poor” so they can waltz right in and take what they want.


21 posted on 12/24/2012 6:31:36 AM PST by I want the USA back (You know I'm right.)
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Not new. This is a product of the “Frankfurt School” which subsumed a bunch of disciplines in the US, including psychiatry. Declaring opposition to Communist goals a form of mental illness is standard procedure.


24 posted on 12/24/2012 6:49:30 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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sfl


26 posted on 12/24/2012 7:02:08 AM PST by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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Simply put: diagnose everybody and his brother with a mental disorder, and then assert that any such diagnosis bars a person from obtaining a gun permit.

It's already been done to "felons". There are all sorts of felonies that are non violent, having nothing whatsoever to do with guns, yet felons (all) are barred from owning guns.

If you are 50 years old and you had a felony shop lifting charge on your record from when you were 18 years old, you may not own a gun. Same with embezzlement and a host of other non violent crimes

Part of the punishment you receive should not be a life time of giving up your God given right to protect your self and family.

29 posted on 12/24/2012 8:00:52 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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