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Newspaper That Published Gun-Owner Addresses Gets Its Staff's Info Outed
Atlantic Wire via Yahoo! News ^ | 12/27/12 | J.K. Trotter

Posted on 12/27/2012 10:11:53 AM PST by Slings and Arrows

Yesterday we told you about the interactive map of local gun owners published by the Journal-News, a newspaper serving the Westchester and Rockland counties of New York, and the outcry it immediately drew. Turns out the stunt was so unpopular — with gun owners and privacy advocates alike — that a blogger named Christopher Fountain took it upon himself to dig up and organize the names, addresses, and phone numbers of the Journal-News staff, starting with editor Cyndee Royle. The post is called "Keep up the heat" and encourages readers to pester the paper and prevent them from...report[ing] gun-owner addresses.

As long as they were keeping it to letters to the editor(s), the staff list was, at first, small potatoes as far as payback goes: the allure of the paper's original map of gun owners was the ability to see who, and how many people, owned a gun near a specific address — the paper's stunt was a map, not just a (sparsely populated) list of names. But overnight a different retaliatory blogger decided to map the newspaper staff addresses culled thus far (from Google and elsewhere). Here's what Robert Cox, of Talk of the Sound, came up with:

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It's an open question whether the retribution is misplaced. In a morning interview with CNN, Fountain said he was angered by calls from victims of domestic abuse with gun permits who were worried their whereabouts had been inadvertently revealed. And, more philosophically: "In the aftermath of Newtown, it was obviously one tragedy, but somehow they were conflating legal gun owners with some crazed tormented devil up in Newtown and putting the two together."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; firewithfire; guncontrol; newyork; secondamendment
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As much as the staff of the Journal-News may wish it, this story is not going to go away.

I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning. It smells like...victory!

1 posted on 12/27/2012 10:11:56 AM PST by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows
I'm guessing the newsrag staff is unhappy. I predict some serious whining when their names and addresses are outed.
2 posted on 12/27/2012 10:15:38 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Slings and Arrows

They will say that their staff should no be outed. They have the right to their privacy and not have their names posted. They say that they can out who ever they want but they should hide behind the wall of journalism.


3 posted on 12/27/2012 10:18:23 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

If I were an American gun owner, I would send to, each and every person in the newspaper, a polite, but firm, letter to their house explaining why it was such a poor decision to publicly list the addresses of all the gun owners.

I think, if each person in that newspaper were to receive a thousand personal letters, it would become clear to them why it was such a poor decision.


4 posted on 12/27/2012 10:19:37 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: pfflier

I predict some serious whining when their names and addresses are outed. <<

Might as well throw in their medical records as well....*snicker*


5 posted on 12/27/2012 10:23:00 AM PST by M-cubed
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To: Slings and Arrows

The next step would be to overlay the gun owner’s homes with crime statistics.


6 posted on 12/27/2012 10:24:12 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Slings and Arrows

What an appalling mess! That newspaper published the names and addresses of women who were living apart from abusive husbands and boyfriends. And they think gun owners are insane??


7 posted on 12/27/2012 10:27:40 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Write their spouses to inform about sexual affairs, etc.


8 posted on 12/27/2012 10:29:21 AM PST by Lexington Green
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To: Slings and Arrows

This link goes to fountains webpage where all the names and numbers are.
http://christopherfountain.wordpress.com/2012/12/26/keep-up-the-heat-and-look-whos-got-the-home-address-of-cyndee-royle-editor-of-the-journal-news


9 posted on 12/27/2012 10:33:35 AM PST by sunny48
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To: Slings and Arrows

I’ve felt this is the best response. Let those who ‘out’ be ‘outed’. I’m sure it feels unsettling not knowing if a ‘crazy’ person is going to look you up.


10 posted on 12/27/2012 10:33:35 AM PST by PatriotCause (California Sucks)
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To: Lexington Green

What would that have to do with gun ownership?


11 posted on 12/27/2012 10:37:25 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Slings and Arrows

Greetings to the Journal-News staff!! Have a nice day!

12 posted on 12/27/2012 10:39:00 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Lexington Green
Write their spouses to inform about sexual affairs, etc.

Or the aids test that came back as unsure on weather it was positive or negative.

13 posted on 12/27/2012 10:39:08 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Vince Ferrer

Yes. And it would be interesting to see an overlay of crime statistics for before the map was published and afterwards - just to see if the knowledge of the presence of guns had any effect on who the perps decided to victimize.

It was stupid of this paper to publish this map, but it creates an experiment that would be unethical if done by scientists but may as well be capitalized on now that the journos already threw ethics out the window.


14 posted on 12/27/2012 10:41:49 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: pfflier

Already happened. Editor had to delete her Facebook page (no simple task).


15 posted on 12/27/2012 10:44:57 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: stuartcr

What would that have to do with gun ownership?

OK
Write their spouses to inform about sexual affairs, at the gun range’

Notice I didnn’t suggest sending them exotic porn subscriptions, or turning them in to the IRS


16 posted on 12/27/2012 10:48:33 AM PST by Lexington Green
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To: ctdonath2

Oh, I emailed every last one of those world class tools. I was not civil, I was not polite, I mocked their appearances, their ideology and their fitness to work for a news organization!

Alinsky is alive today, though now from the right! Hehehehehehehehe.


17 posted on 12/27/2012 10:50:14 AM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: piroque

The government has a weapon against every person now, in the form of Obamacare medical records.

And if anybody doesn’t think the government would use records for manipulative purposes, read up about the “Night of the Long Knives”-type military purge. I can’t remember the guy’s name, but he was exposed BY THE GOVERNMENT for lurid but legal sexual activity. The government went snooping in his emails, found no crimes, but used his perfectly-legal communications to get rid of him.

That’s what these thugs do. The same people who sanctimoniously hide behind “right to privacy” to keep Obama’s legally-acknowledged-as-forged documents out of the public eye have no qualms about snooping through EVERY ONE OF US’s emails looking for dirt to use on us if we don’t bow sufficiently low to “service” them.

That’s where we’re at. Even the facade of lawfulness is being abandoned.


18 posted on 12/27/2012 10:50:57 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Slings and Arrows
Hell, I'd be thanking the Newspaper and its staff for creating a target rich environment, and end with a warning that any person on my property committing or attempting to commit a felony, or violating the Constitution, would be dealt with as necessitated by the circumstances, including the use of deadly force if required.

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19 posted on 12/27/2012 10:59:09 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: butterdezillion
I can’t remember the guy’s name, but he was exposed BY THE GOVERNMENT for lurid but legal sexual activity. The government went snooping in his emails, found no crimes, but used his perfectly-legal communications to get rid of him.

Are you thinking of Jack Ryan whose sealed divorce records suddenly became unsealed when he was running against Obama for the senate?

20 posted on 12/27/2012 11:01:23 AM PST by KarlInOhio (I'm tired of being beaten like a malcontent elf so Obama can pretend to be Santa.)
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To: stuartcr

Why,,nothing of course. But the paper seems to think it’s ok to reveal personal details about peoples lives. If you can find out something that would humiliate them personally, and maybe even cause them misery in their domestic lives, it can do something very important.

It can cause them (and other papers) to be afraid to pull such a stunt again. And it can also teach them that if you attack non-public people’s personal life, that you risk retaliation in kind. This is especially effective because most journalists are hard leftists, ie,,promiscuous, homo, lesbian, etc,,or some combination of that. Basic insurgency 101, attack the enemy where they are weak.

Seems very fair.


21 posted on 12/27/2012 11:02:20 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: miss marmelstein
What an appalling mess! That newspaper published the names and addresses of women who were living apart from abusive husbands and boyfriends. And they think gun owners are insane??

A regrettable necessity on the road to the totalitarian state. Surely you remember what Comrade Stalin said about breaking eggs?

22 posted on 12/27/2012 11:15:17 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: KarlInOhio

No, it was General John Allen that I was thinking of, although Jack Ryan’s situation also shows the rank hypocrisy of Obama who cares so much about the children that for his own political gain he’d have his skank (David Axelrod) expose divorce records that both parents wanted kept under seal for the sake of their young children. And the same Obama who believed it too burdensome for mothers if the child they unsuccessfully tried to kill through late-term abortion was actually taken care of and allowed to live and be adopted. Etc, etc.

These people are worms of the lowest sort. The tapeworms of society. And they have taken over the White House, courts, media, every regulatory body, law enforcement, etc.

A very apt illustration can be seen in “The Book of the Dun Cow” by Walter Wangerin. Recommended reading. The American public see the basilisks swarming all over the land and go out to greet them as friends, just like the stupid geese in that book. Agents of Wurm, stinking like the sewer, and devouring everything in their way...


23 posted on 12/27/2012 11:16:01 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Slings and Arrows
Report: "Newspaper That Published Gun-Owner Addresses Gets Its Staff's Info Outed"

Response: Very good.

24 posted on 12/27/2012 11:25:03 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I think people ought to call, saying that they appreciate the map, as it shows those neighbors who have not only passed a background check (I doubt the newspapers staff could), but are also a deterrent to the kick-in-the-door “Where’s My Free Sh!t” crowd.

Place the call(s) around 1 a.m., 2 a.m., 3 a.m., etc. ;-)


25 posted on 12/27/2012 11:29:55 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

All those at the addresses not published as gun owners are called targets. They should expect company soon.


26 posted on 12/27/2012 11:32:19 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: KarlInOhio

Oh, here’s a link I meant to give, about the NSA’s snooping: http://angiemedia.com/2012/12/15/former-nsa-employee-william-binney-discusses-massive-surveillance-of-us-email-phone-and-text-communications/#.UNybk-TWLXA


27 posted on 12/27/2012 11:33:24 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: M-cubed

Also any and all criminal records, divorce, and civil fines/etc. Drunken disorderlies, domestic violence, etc.


28 posted on 12/27/2012 11:50:45 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: pfflier

Cyndee got her fannie handed to her.


29 posted on 12/27/2012 11:55:22 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: miss marmelstein

bump!!


30 posted on 12/27/2012 12:28:36 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Slings and Arrows
It's an open question whether the retribution is misplaced.

Um no, not really. It's an object lesson for the newsies. Specifically, just the thought that they might out some woman who had been abused by an ex and bought a firearm to defend herself should have stopped these moral morons in their tracks.

31 posted on 12/27/2012 12:50:02 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

See post #22.


32 posted on 12/27/2012 12:59:13 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: M-cubed

I think AIDs data is protected.


33 posted on 12/27/2012 1:15:54 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Slings and Arrows

Point taken.


34 posted on 12/27/2012 1:25:25 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: Lexington Green

I’ve always had this fantasy that a Republican President would hire a team of private investigators to dig up dirt on all the media hacks in the White House Press Room and begin asking THEM about their affairs, unpaid bills and DUI’s during a live press conference.

I know, I know, it will never happen.


35 posted on 12/27/2012 2:20:55 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Slings and Arrows; All
This is really stupid by the newspaper, but it's legal. Lots of stuff we think of as “private” information is publicly available via a simple visit to the county courthouse and other government records offices, and that has been the case for longer than any of us posting on Free Republic have been alive.

Any small-town reporter who made daily checks of court filings, marriage licenses, birth certificates, police logs, etc., knows that, and knew it back to the days that records were exclusively kept on paper and filled out via Underwood manual typewriters or handwritten fill-in-the-blank forms. That's nothing new and these reporters don't deserve and prizes for “finding out” something everybody involved in government recordkeeping always knew was available.

What **IS** new is that the internet is making things widely and easily available that until recently required spending massive amounts of research time or hiring a private investigator to visit records offices, college libraries, etc., in every community where a person had lived. As more and more things get put on the internet, lots of people are finding out the hard way that long-forgotten things done 20 or 50 years ago can be located with a Google search.

Many government records are public and have to be public for legitimate constitutional or legal reasons, and if people don't like it, that's their problem. For example, it may be embarrassing for a woman to have her age and address publicly available on voter registration records, but there are issues involving potential voter fraud that make it important to have that information available for public inspection.

I think a legitimate question can be asked by New York state legislators of what public purpose it serves to make this gun-related information publicly available. I can't think of a valid public purpose, and unless someone can show me the public purpose, perhaps the law should be changed.

In the meantime, however, I believe the best response is what was done with publicizing the names, addresses and phone numbers of the newspaper's staff and putting it on Facebook. What's good for the goose is good for the gander and if some people's info is public, so is the info about the reporters and editors and publishers.

Over on the FOX News website, a person commenting said someone actually answered the phone at the home number of the CEO of Gannett Corporation, and listened politely to his concerns about the list.

My guess is that the local editor and publisher who approved this story are going to have to answer some very hard questions coming from Gannett corporate headquarters about the newsworthiness of this list.

36 posted on 12/27/2012 3:36:28 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Slings and Arrows

Point taken.


37 posted on 12/27/2012 3:52:22 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Good. Start on the rest of the media as well.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


38 posted on 12/27/2012 4:56:02 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Lexington Green

Why? You like breaking up families?


39 posted on 12/27/2012 5:13:26 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: darrellmaurina
My guess is that the local editor and publisher who approved this story are going to have to answer some very hard questions coming from Gannett corporate headquarters about the newsworthiness of this list.

Stupid should hurt.

40 posted on 12/27/2012 7:46:47 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
We agree. Stupid actions should have consequences.

This story served no public purpose that I can see. I would say the same thing even if I were not a supporter of the Second Amendment.

I would have a very different view if they printed a map showing how many gun owners lived in different communities or maybe ran a comparative graph showing violent crime rates and gun registration rates. I wouldn't even have a problem with breaking down the stats by police precinct, census data tract, or some other geographic unit that doesn't identify individual gun owners or show their address.

Granted, statistics can be misused and misinterpreted — for example, does high crime generate high gun ownership rates when people seek to protect themselves, or is it the other way around? — but that's a fair use of the raw data.

I can see absolutely no valid grounds for identifying individual gun owners. The management of Gannett can and should be asking hard questions to the publisher and editor of this newspaper.

41 posted on 12/27/2012 8:11:10 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Slings and Arrows

Post the social security numbers on the internet.


42 posted on 12/27/2012 8:23:08 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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45 posted on 12/27/2012 8:27:27 PM PST by narses
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I’d rather our side not be the first to cross that line.


46 posted on 12/27/2012 8:50:23 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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42 posted on Thu Dec 27 2012 22:23:08 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by bmwcyle: "Post the social security numbers on the internet."

That's going too far unless the original newspaper report included the social security numbers of the gun owners.

If it did, then fair's fair.

47 posted on 12/27/2012 8:56:24 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Slings and Arrows

It is war now. The lines are crossed.


48 posted on 12/28/2012 2:34:58 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: darrellmaurina

When it comes to the media there is no “too far.” Why? Because they attack any and everything that will damage a conservative or anyone who dares question the liberal agenda. Look at what they did to Joe the Plumber. Look at what they did to Sarah Palin and her CHILDREN!!!

The media weilds absolute power in this country. They have twice now decided that Barak Obama was above criticism and reproach and have almost singlehandedly elevated this no talent hack to power. They are usurping our democracy and have become no more and no less than the far left’s ministry of propoganda.

Why is it and why should it be that we know every aspect of our politicians lives but know so little about these people who truly weild the power in this country? I demand to know everything about everyone of these media bastards that they demand to know about us. Enough of them being above it all. It is time to drag their asses into the fray that they have created!!!


49 posted on 12/28/2012 3:14:08 PM PST by FlipWilson
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Thanks Slings and Arrows.


50 posted on 12/29/2012 12:21:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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